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For the situation we were in in 2008 was MDA the right choice for coach
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We could put many variables in here--but Ive gone to a simple yes no answer. I voted no because it made no sense hiring a coach for so much money when our only *plan* was to get as much free agent money and put a core together through the draft and concentrate on development for 2 years. I think we will not know whether or not Jordan Hill wouldve been a decent player going forward because he was not afforded reasonable consistent time that a 7 pick should get on a 30 win team void of size.
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TMS
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3/1/2010  8:36 PM
bring an MVP & 2 Allstars in here & you could hire a deaf mute monkey to coach them & they'd win 50+.
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3/1/2010  9:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/1/2010  9:27 PM
Cosmic wrote:
WOODMANnYk wrote:

Meanwhile, Mike has no proven record? Phoenix Suns say hi:


My name is Steve Nash. Although I hate to admit it. Taking out you suckas and don't know how I did it!

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3/1/2010  10:40 PM
Yes, Steve Nash, again, a player that makes Mike's system work.

That's the point.

We're looking to rebuild the team the way Mike wants. With Mike's type of players.

That's THE WHOLE POINT.

Thank you for making it for me, Woodman!

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3/1/2010  10:41 PM
Cosmic, u seem to make a lot of excuses for the pisspoor job MDA has done as the coach of this team... for a guy who claims only to rag on players depending on what they show you, what the hell has MDA shown you as our coach to warrant such patience? what does the fact that he won games with a stacked roster in Phoenix have to do w/the crappy job he's done as the coach of the NY Knicks? this team is not playing ANY defense, not even pretending like they want to play any D... they have no structure in their offense, it's just catch & shoot... i have zero coaching experience & i could have had these guys playing this way... gimme a break, u wanna hold players accountable for their sucky play, how about holding the coach accountable for the same?
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3/1/2010  10:41 PM
Phar, the other thread got locked, you asked, DID Hill get a chance to play?

No, not really, and if you recall during halftime blowouts, I constantly freaked and said "Just start Darko-Hill-Gallo-Landry-Douglas and play them the whole half."

But, we don't know what Hill did in practice. We don't know why he was so buried on the bench. But I do know when I saw him finally play? HE SUCKED. So I understand why he was never thrown out there.

He wasn't played much until the final few games where he was showcased for the Houston trade.

Kid's....nothing. Simple as that. A blown pick.

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3/1/2010  10:43 PM
TMS wrote:Cosmic, u seem to make a lot of excuses for the pisspoor job MDA has done as the coach of this team... for a guy who claims only to rag on players depending on what they show you, what the hell has MDA shown you as our coach to warrant such patience? what does the fact that he won games with a stacked roster in Phoenix have to do w/the crappy job he's done as the coach of the NY Knicks? this team is not playing ANY defense, not even pretending like they want to play any D... they have no structure in their offense, it's just catch & shoot... i have zero coaching experience & i could have had these guys playing this way... gimme a break, u wanna hold players accountable for their sucky play, how about holding the coach accountable for the same?

What excuses? List them.

"Roster Sucks."
"We're rebuilding."

/end "excuses".


Rag on players as to what they show me? Isn't that what we all do? Or do some of us live in a fantasy world where we latch onto a player like their our child and pretend they are going to be a superstar when they're trash?

Something like that? Yeah. I guess so.

Jordan Hill is GARBAGE. Jesus, get over it already.

Coach accountable? I've done that. I put out what I said he needed to play as a lineup, stick to it, and stop fiddling, and I don't like how he screwed around.

So, again, either you're glossing over my posts, or missing them.

For you don't seem to have a feel for my true opinions.

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3/1/2010  10:49 PM
some of Jordan Hill's statlines this year:

7 pts / 6 reb / 2 stl / 1 blk in 16 min
8 pts / 7 reb (5 offensive) in 11 min
10 pts / 3 reb / 1 blk in 14 min

i think he has shown an ability to score & grab rebounds in some games where he saw limited play & is worth holding off on the bust labels until he gets a fair run of games to show his ability... kid has shown a smooth looking midrange J & some moves in the low post this season & a willingness to fight for rebounds & be very active on the floor altering shot attempts in the paint... anyone who hasn't seen these things this season is either lying or not watching the games.

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3/1/2010  10:52 PM
Cosmic wrote:
TMS wrote:Cosmic, u seem to make a lot of excuses for the pisspoor job MDA has done as the coach of this team... for a guy who claims only to rag on players depending on what they show you, what the hell has MDA shown you as our coach to warrant such patience? what does the fact that he won games with a stacked roster in Phoenix have to do w/the crappy job he's done as the coach of the NY Knicks? this team is not playing ANY defense, not even pretending like they want to play any D... they have no structure in their offense, it's just catch & shoot... i have zero coaching experience & i could have had these guys playing this way... gimme a break, u wanna hold players accountable for their sucky play, how about holding the coach accountable for the same?

What excuses? List them.

"Roster Sucks."
"We're rebuilding."

/end "excuses".


Rag on players as to what they show me? Isn't that what we all do? Or do some of us live in a fantasy world where we latch onto a player like their our child and pretend they are going to be a superstar when they're trash?

Something like that? Yeah. I guess so.

Jordan Hill is GARBAGE. Jesus, get over it already.

Coach accountable? I've done that. I put out what I said he needed to play as a lineup, stick to it, and stop fiddling, and I don't like how he screwed around.

So, again, either you're glossing over my posts, or missing them.

For you don't seem to have a feel for my true opinions.

u have said until we get in a roster worth playing that MDA can't be fairly judged... basically u are witholding final judgement on him until certain conditions are met that will satisfy a fair judgement to be had... curious that you aren't willing to do the same for a 22 year old rookie prospect.

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3/1/2010  10:56 PM
TMS wrote:

u have said until we get in a roster worth playing that MDA can't be fairly judged... basically u are witholding final judgement on him until certain conditions are met that will satisfy a fair judgement to be had... curious that you aren't willing to do the same for a 22 year old rookie prospect.

Such as Toney Douglas? Or Danilo? Or Walker? You mean like that? I have hopes for them because they showed something.

Jordan Hill showed he cared more about laughing on the bench and dying his dreads than anything else.

Therein lies the difference.

To just apply "He's young" to any player to excuse them from sucking isn't right.

All young players stink it up, but those who move on from that show you something right away.

Hill showed NOTHING.

That's the difference.

Why are you defending him so much? Your only argument seems to be that I don't give young players a chance. Yet, I'm giving Gallo, Chandler, Walker, Douglas, Danilo a chance.

Seems to not fit your POV of my POV no?


And as to a coach, yes, no coach could will this roster to wins. NONE. Every coach has his style and his style works best when you give him players that fit his style. This is well known.

Don't quite see what you're getting at with that one. You think there's a coach that could will this team to wins? If only we kept Jordan Hill?

eh...don't see it.

But what I do see is food. Right now. lol. So, good night. We'll argue more tomorrow.

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3/1/2010  11:00 PM
u can keep injecting lies to represent my opinions or we can have a reasonable discussion... your choice... i have never said Jordan Hill would have made this team better by playing, i said we should have been playing him to see what we had instead of letting him waste away on the bench... i have said he warranted minutes over playing useless scrubs like Jonathan Bender & Jared Fishlips who had no future on this team... get the facts straight or don't comment on what my opinions are.
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3/1/2010  11:23 PM
TMS why even bother, Cos is set in his opinion. is god he can do no wrong. Larry Clown part deaux
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3/2/2010  8:06 AM
TMS wrote:u can keep injecting lies to represent my opinions or we can have a reasonable discussion... your choice... i have never said Jordan Hill would have made this team better by playing, i said we should have been playing him to see what we had instead of letting him waste away on the bench... i have said he warranted minutes over playing useless scrubs like Jonathan Bender & Jared Fishlips who had no future on this team... get the facts straight or don't comment on what my opinions are.

You just said I don't tolerate young players. Then ran with it as fact. Then bashed it.

Entirely wrong.


Yes, Jordan Hill should have played. I said that plenty of times. I also said in those 3 games you listed he looked halfway decent (for a change) but overall he showed me nothing.

Jackie Butler and Michael Sweetney - two other raw bigs - who aren't even in the league anymore - showed SO MUCH MORE than Jordan Hill ever has. The guy just hasn't showed much of anything and now he's a Houston Rocket. He did nothing in NY but you seem to speak like we just traded a very good player when we simply traded a pretty crappy player.

So that, I don't understand. The guy isn't any good and probably never will be.

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3/2/2010  8:09 AM
buddapaw wrote:TMS why even bother, Cos is set in his opinion. is god he can do no wrong. Larry Clown part deaux

Real insightful post. Entirely untrue.

Can't believe the Jordan Hill groupies. Amazing...in a WTF kind of way.

Jordan Freakin Hill.

Did you guys cry when Roberson was sent packing? Roberson showed more than Hill.

I can't believe I'm arguing with people about Jordan Hill.

LMFAO.

Might as well start an argument of why we didn't give Slavko Vranes a chance.

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