arkrud wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

Cosmic wrote:
Don't worry guys. We can sign them all to the max in 2011 and let the 28 win seasons roll in. Then just fire coach after coach when they do so.

It just never ends with this pathetic franchise...

Thank you for this precious pick...
And on topick - we traded Zack and Craf to get read of the Isiah spirit (more precise to say bad smell)
And Untill we we will get read of all Isiah's gifts of the devil we will have no luck.
I would even trade Lee and Chan to close the chapter of shame.

Papabear Says

Arkrud now you are talking crazy! You just don't get rid of a player just because of some kind of sicotic mental intervention because you hate who brought him here. That's why we are getting nothing for our trades now. David Lee is the most productive player on this team even not playing good defense.

TMS wrote:

bitty41 wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

bitty41 wrote:

TMS wrote:trading Zach & Jamal for cap flexibility was not a mistake... we didn't have to dump future assets to get rid of their contracts... we got expiring deals to clear $28 million dollars off our cap in 2010, a pure salary dump maneuver that plenty of NBA teams do to clear payroll... this was a good maneuver by Donnie Walsh... the concerning trade is giving up future draft picks & a young player we put a lot of faith in as a lottery pick just to clear $10 million off the cap this summer... when you compare the tradeoffs in terms of cap space cleared, u got much more value in the Zach & Jamal trades than you did with the Fishlips trade simply because you did not have to unload any future assets in the process.

How can you say it's not a mistake? The Knicks haven't signed anyone yet and we don't know what will happen this summer. Because if the Knicks are left with Joe Johnson/Amare Stoudamire paying them roughly 17 to 15 million dollars for the next 5 years Walsh will have major egg on his face and it will be a mistake.

Yup, if we don't get LeBron, all bets are off. He is what everything was about. However, I agree with TMS because those were the right trades to do. We weren't a serious team with Jamal and Zach and we weren't going to become one, so dumping them to have at least a shot at LeBron is a no brainer. You still have plan B and C, which are to sign other players and still have picks AND have capspace for the next year. B and C doesn't work now that we gave up those picks.

But why not trade one of them and clear space for one free-agent? But this has become overkill and Walsh has really backed this organization into a corner with these moves. If this thing doesn't work out this summer it could become Isiah all over again with no first round draft picks.

it's not a mistake because we didn't give up any future assets to get those contracts off our books... neither of them were taking us anywhere, it was proven already... we had to move in a different direction... trading a rookie prospect we drafted in the lottery along w/a future 1st round pick & swap rights to another is the move that can be questioned, because you're investing future assets into a plan you don't even know has a chance to succeed or not... if u fail on landing the big names this offseason you can't justify giving up future assets to dump cap, but u can easily justify unloading 2 players that weren't helping us get anywhere & had no future here because those players can easily be replaced by secondary & third tier FA signings this summer.

Okay so we gave up current assets for nothing. The Jamal trade is kind of a wash because I think they both are very good 6th men. But Randolph for Thomas/Mobley was not a good trade if that's the only deal the Clippers were offering Walsh should have hung up the phone and searched for the next team. You act as though that was the only trade that would have ever been offered for Randolph. If Walsh believes in D'Antoni's capability why not let him do his thing see if he can get the team playing .500 ball than make his move for a better trade? This seems kind simple. Almost every trade Walsh has made since he's been here is almost desperation moves. We surrender all these assets for basically a pile of **** and some cap space. But the only problem is that **** can't run the point, rebound, block shots, or win you games. And cap space guarantees nothing not Lebron, not Wade, no one ultimately it will come down to these guys being willing to risk the prime of their careers joining an organization that has almost no discernible direction.

You act as though that was the only trade that would have ever been offered for Randolph.

kinda hard to make ur case that Walsh could have done better when we just gave up 3 potential lottery picks to dump $7 mil worth of Fishlips' contract... now u'r asking him to get back usable assets for an albatross that at the time had 2 years & $33 million remaining on the deal, which puts the salary & luxury tax hit at a combined $66 million dollars over that term... i'm actually shocked that he didn't have to throw in any assets to unload that much off our cap, i would have been willing to trade down 10 slots in the Gallo draft even to get that deal done & he did it without having to do that... he impressed me by pulling that deal off, then goes & completely panics on the T-Mac trade... now i have no idea what to think of Donnie Walsh other than knowing that if his plan doesn't bear fruit this summer he should be fired.

TMS wrote:

You act as though that was the only trade that would have ever been offered for Randolph.

kinda hard to make ur case that Walsh could have done better when we just gave up 3 potential lottery picks to dump $7 mil worth of Fishlips' contract... now u'r asking him to get back usable assets for an albatross that at the time had 2 years & $33 million remaining on the deal, which puts the salary & luxury tax hit at a combined $66 million dollars over that term... i'm actually shocked that he didn't have to throw in any assets to unload that much off our cap, i would have been willing to trade down 10 slots in the Gallo draft even to get that deal done & he did it without having to do that... he impressed me by pulling that deal off, then goes & completely panics on the T-Mac trade... now i have no idea what to think of Donnie Walsh other than knowing that if his plan doesn't bear fruit this summer he should be fired.

Not every GM thinks like you TMS. Meaning that there are some GM that were/are looking for upgrades in talent versus just clearing cap space. Besides the Clippers being able to trade Randolph kind of debunks your theory that no teams were interested in taking on Randolph's contract and imagine that if he was on the trading blocks with Memphis there would be takers. I think we just have vastly different ideologies when it comes to NBA teams I rather see good talent on the floor and a competitive team but could care less about salary cap.

Not every team is in the Lebron sweepstakes plenty of teams could use a consistent 20/10 guy down low.

Here's another question for you if the Knicks sign Amare Stoudamire or Carlos Boozer to 5 year max contracts would you support that?

TMS wrote:

bitty41 wrote:

TMS wrote:

You act as though that was the only trade that would have ever been offered for Randolph.

kinda hard to make ur case that Walsh could have done better when we just gave up 3 potential lottery picks to dump $7 mil worth of Fishlips' contract... now u'r asking him to get back usable assets for an albatross that at the time had 2 years & $33 million remaining on the deal, which puts the salary & luxury tax hit at a combined $66 million dollars over that term... i'm actually shocked that he didn't have to throw in any assets to unload that much off our cap, i would have been willing to trade down 10 slots in the Gallo draft even to get that deal done & he did it without having to do that... he impressed me by pulling that deal off, then goes & completely panics on the T-Mac trade... now i have no idea what to think of Donnie Walsh other than knowing that if his plan doesn't bear fruit this summer he should be fired.

Not every GM thinks like you TMS. Meaning that there are some GM that were/are looking for upgrades in talent versus just clearing cap space. Besides the Clippers being able to trade Randolph kind of debunks your theory that no teams were interested in taking on Randolph's contract and imagine that if he was on the trading blocks with Memphis there would be takers. I think we just have vastly different ideologies when it comes to NBA teams I rather see good talent on the floor and a competitive team but could care less about salary cap.

Not every team is in the Lebron sweepstakes plenty of teams could use a consistent 20/10 guy down low.

Here's another question for you if the Knicks sign Amare Stoudamire or Carlos Boozer to 5 year max contracts would you support that?

i would definitely not advocate signing Boozer to a max contract & i would ONLY advocate signing Amare if that's what it took to convince Lebron to come here.

& bitty, the Clippers got back Q Rich's expiring contract for Zach Randolph... how does that debunk my theory that there weren't any better offers out there?

Boozer is really that much better than Randolph in your mind?

My point about the Clippers trading Randolph was that there was no need to make that deal at that time. Walsh could have waited to see how things played out than if he wasn't happy with the progression he could have made a trade down the road. He made the Randolph deal like he makes all of his trades out of desperation.

TMS wrote:

Boozer is really that much better than Randolph in your mind?

i just told u i'm not interested in Boozer... i think he & Zach are about on the same level along w/D Lee... i wouldn't sign any of them to max contracts.

my bad I read your above statement wrong but the Amare scenario I don't see playing out because I don't think anyone would be willing to sign with the Knicks until the sign someone big. So in other words LBJ would have to sign than guys would consider coming here imo.