TheGame wrote:

Uptown wrote:

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holfresh wrote:
Really, we are trading draft picks for TMac, Joe Johnson, Mike Miller and Jamaine O'Neal...really...So why fire Isiah??

That's is my thought exactly. If this was Walsh's plan, we would have been better off with IT. He at least would have drafted a PG in the draft.

While Isiah added to the salary-cap, Walsh has did the impossible according to some, just 2 years ago, and gotten us under the cap. We now have options. No comparisons thier. Walsh also said on WFAN with Mike Fransesca that he would not be looking for mediocre talent to compensate for missing out on max players....We shall see but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because unlike our previous front office people, Walsh has laid down a plan and has stuck to it.

We have options alright. After Wade, Lebron, and Bosh all politely say "No thanks" (which historically is far more likely than less likely), we will have our option to overpay for a bunch a second-tier talent and get ourselves right back into the bad salary situation Walsh traded all our picks and Hill for to get us out of. This whole plan rests on us signing Lebron or Bosh. If we don't, and Anthony does not decide to jump ship next year, then we are pretty much screwed for the next 3 years and will have no high draft picks to speak of, unless we finish in the bottom five in 2012.

What is one of them politely says yes? Our chances increased a bit when we pulled off this trade at the deadline because now we can bring in two instead of one. We also have the ability to absorb contracts in a trade, I.E. Paul, and/or a player of that ilk when a franchise goes into dump mode. But let me ask you this, What was the alternative? What would you rather have Walsh do at the deadline and what is your plan to improve this team moving forward?

Uptown wrote:

TheGame wrote:

Uptown wrote:

TheGame wrote:

holfresh wrote:
Really, we are trading draft picks for TMac, Joe Johnson, Mike Miller and Jamaine O'Neal...really...So why fire Isiah??

That's is my thought exactly. If this was Walsh's plan, we would have been better off with IT. He at least would have drafted a PG in the draft.

While Isiah added to the salary-cap, Walsh has did the impossible according to some, just 2 years ago, and gotten us under the cap. We now have options. No comparisons thier. Walsh also said on WFAN with Mike Fransesca that he would not be looking for mediocre talent to compensate for missing out on max players....We shall see but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because unlike our previous front office people, Walsh has laid down a plan and has stuck to it.

We have options alright. After Wade, Lebron, and Bosh all politely say "No thanks" (which historically is far more likely than less likely), we will have our option to overpay for a bunch a second-tier talent and get ourselves right back into the bad salary situation Walsh traded all our picks and Hill for to get us out of. This whole plan rests on us signing Lebron or Bosh. If we don't, and Anthony does not decide to jump ship next year, then we are pretty much screwed for the next 3 years and will have no high draft picks to speak of, unless we finish in the bottom five in 2012.

What is one of them politely says yes? Our chances increased a bit when we pulled off this trade at the deadline because now we can bring in two instead of one. We also have the ability to absorb contracts in a trade, I.E. Paul, and/or a player of that ilk when a franchise goes into dump mode. But let me ask you this, What was the alternative? What would you rather have Walsh do at the deadline and what is your plan to improve this team moving forward?

If I actually thought Walsh was savvy enough to do like OKC and use our cap space for trades and to accumulate picks, I might agree with you. But since OKC was under far less pressure to win now and given Walsh's track record over the past 18 months, I have serious doubts that (a) we will try to use our cap space to facilitate trades and obtain draft picks or (b) that Walsh actually would be able to pull it off.

What you have to remember is that we are not the only team with cap space. There will be about 5 or 6 teams with significant cap space, we will be competing with them when you are talking about using cap space to obtain extra picks.

TheGame wrote:

holfresh wrote:
Really, we are trading draft picks for TMac, Joe Johnson, Mike Miller and Jamaine O'Neal...really...So why fire Isiah??

That's is my thought exactly. If this was Walsh's plan, we would have been better off with IT. He at least would have drafted a PG in the draft.

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TheGame wrote:

Uptown wrote:

TheGame wrote:

Uptown wrote:

TheGame wrote:

holfresh wrote:
Really, we are trading draft picks for TMac, Joe Johnson, Mike Miller and Jamaine O'Neal...really...So why fire Isiah??

That's is my thought exactly. If this was Walsh's plan, we would have been better off with IT. He at least would have drafted a PG in the draft.

While Isiah added to the salary-cap, Walsh has did the impossible according to some, just 2 years ago, and gotten us under the cap. We now have options. No comparisons thier. Walsh also said on WFAN with Mike Fransesca that he would not be looking for mediocre talent to compensate for missing out on max players....We shall see but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because unlike our previous front office people, Walsh has laid down a plan and has stuck to it.

We have options alright. After Wade, Lebron, and Bosh all politely say "No thanks" (which historically is far more likely than less likely), we will have our option to overpay for a bunch a second-tier talent and get ourselves right back into the bad salary situation Walsh traded all our picks and Hill for to get us out of. This whole plan rests on us signing Lebron or Bosh. If we don't, and Anthony does not decide to jump ship next year, then we are pretty much screwed for the next 3 years and will have no high draft picks to speak of, unless we finish in the bottom five in 2012.

What is one of them politely says yes? Our chances increased a bit when we pulled off this trade at the deadline because now we can bring in two instead of one. We also have the ability to absorb contracts in a trade, I.E. Paul, and/or a player of that ilk when a franchise goes into dump mode. But let me ask you this, What was the alternative? What would you rather have Walsh do at the deadline and what is your plan to improve this team moving forward?

If I actually thought Walsh was savvy enough to do like OKC and use our cap space for trades and to accumulate picks, I might agree with you. But since OKC was under far less pressure to win now and given Walsh's track record over the past 18 months, I have serious doubts that (a) we will try to use our cap space to facilitate trades and obtain draft picks or (b) that Walsh actually would be able to pull it off.

What you have to remember is that we are not the only team with cap space. There will be about 5 or 6 teams with significant cap space, we will be competing with them when you are talking about using cap space to obtain extra picks.

Walsh has been a GM/Pres in this league for over 30 years. There are plenty of savy moves on his resume.

You still didn't answer my question. What would you rather have Walsh do at the deadline and what is your plan to improve this team moving forward?

Uptown wrote:

TheGame wrote:

Uptown wrote:

TheGame wrote:

Uptown wrote:

TheGame wrote:

holfresh wrote:
Really, we are trading draft picks for TMac, Joe Johnson, Mike Miller and Jamaine O'Neal...really...So why fire Isiah??

That's is my thought exactly. If this was Walsh's plan, we would have been better off with IT. He at least would have drafted a PG in the draft.

While Isiah added to the salary-cap, Walsh has did the impossible according to some, just 2 years ago, and gotten us under the cap. We now have options. No comparisons thier. Walsh also said on WFAN with Mike Fransesca that he would not be looking for mediocre talent to compensate for missing out on max players....We shall see but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because unlike our previous front office people, Walsh has laid down a plan and has stuck to it.

We have options alright. After Wade, Lebron, and Bosh all politely say "No thanks" (which historically is far more likely than less likely), we will have our option to overpay for a bunch a second-tier talent and get ourselves right back into the bad salary situation Walsh traded all our picks and Hill for to get us out of. This whole plan rests on us signing Lebron or Bosh. If we don't, and Anthony does not decide to jump ship next year, then we are pretty much screwed for the next 3 years and will have no high draft picks to speak of, unless we finish in the bottom five in 2012.

What is one of them politely says yes? Our chances increased a bit when we pulled off this trade at the deadline because now we can bring in two instead of one. We also have the ability to absorb contracts in a trade, I.E. Paul, and/or a player of that ilk when a franchise goes into dump mode. But let me ask you this, What was the alternative? What would you rather have Walsh do at the deadline and what is your plan to improve this team moving forward?

If I actually thought Walsh was savvy enough to do like OKC and use our cap space for trades and to accumulate picks, I might agree with you. But since OKC was under far less pressure to win now and given Walsh's track record over the past 18 months, I have serious doubts that (a) we will try to use our cap space to facilitate trades and obtain draft picks or (b) that Walsh actually would be able to pull it off.

What you have to remember is that we are not the only team with cap space. There will be about 5 or 6 teams with significant cap space, we will be competing with them when you are talking about using cap space to obtain extra picks.

Walsh has been a GM/Pres in this league for over 30 years. There are plenty of savy moves on his resume.

You still didn't answer my question. What would you rather have Walsh do at the deadline and what is your plan to improve this team moving forward?

The issue is not simply what would I have done at the deadline. Rather, the issue is what should Walsh have been doing last year. We could have traded Jeffries last year by packaging him with Nate. Even if we needed to throw in cash and a second round pick, Walsh could have done it. That would have saved us from giving up Hill and our future picks to Houston. I also would have moved down in the draft and picked up a PG. Even if you did not think Collison or LAwson were worth the 7th pick, we could have moved back into the teens and picked one of those guys up. The team needed a PG more than anything else and we managed to miss out in a draft with no less than 5 starting caliber pgs in it. As far as the deadline, Walsh really painted himself in a bad situation, as Houston knew he was desperate. I find it hard to believe that he could not have found another partner to take Jeffries for less, but even if he could not, it was the result of his own lack of planning last year.