EwingsGlass wrote:Kool-aid drinker here. I have had the same thoughts on Gallo lately. Truth is, I don't see much difference in his positioning on the court, he seems to be spending a significant amount of time on the perimeter. Now, I have seen him in the post a couple more times, but he doesn't look altogether comfortable there. More than before, I have seen him pass up shots that he would have taken. I am not sure if his confidence is wiped out or if he has some lingering injury issues with his forearm. I'd like to see him shooting more. I am curious what he looks like in practice. I hope one of Hahn's articles addresses this.

He may even be passing up shots because he feels he cannot make them at this point. Right now he is only helping to spread the floor with the threat of his shot. To be honest, if I was playing D against him I would back off a bit a make him prove he can hit the 3 with regularity again.

Cosmic's posts have made me look at Gallo's back as a possible issue, but he continues to go hard on D, and that is one part of the game where you can't play in a controlled manner designed to protect a back (or rib)injury, because it is the "too fast to think," reactive aspect of the game, full of sudden movements, turns, twists, falls, etc., and Gallinari is still very active as a defender, even though he is being made to guard opposing players who most players his size would never have to guard.

83 games total career.

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Paladin55 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Kool-aid drinker here. I have had the same thoughts on Gallo lately. Truth is, I don't see much difference in his positioning on the court, he seems to be spending a significant amount of time on the perimeter. Now, I have seen him in the post a couple more times, but he doesn't look altogether comfortable there. More than before, I have seen him pass up shots that he would have taken. I am not sure if his confidence is wiped out or if he has some lingering injury issues with his forearm. I'd like to see him shooting more. I am curious what he looks like in practice. I hope one of Hahn's articles addresses this.

I see the arm as the issue, and the biggest sign to me has been his FT% this month- under 65%. He was shooting well, especially at the line, even with the bad back last year. I said it before the All-Star break and I am saying it now, the Knicks should have pulled him out of both events he participated in and let his arm recover. You hurt the arm on Dec. 2, and are still wearing a supportive sleeve over 2 months later? That tells me the injury is a lingering one which is only going to get better through rest.

He may even be passing up shots because he feels he cannot make them at this point. Right now he is only helping to spread the floor with the threat of his shot. To be honest, if I was playing D against him I would back off a bit a make him prove he can hit the 3 with regularity again.

Cosmic's posts have made me look at Gallo's back as a possible issue, but he continues to go hard on D, and that is one part of the game where you can't play in a controlled manner designed to protect a back (or rib)injury, because it is the "too fast to think," reactive aspect of the game, full of sudden movements, turns, twists, falls, etc., and Gallinari is still very active as a defender, even though he is being made to guard opposing players who most players his size would never have to guard.

But the set of rules are different for different players of different ages. Make no mistake. Jennings and Gallo showed some pretty terrific skills at times this past season but both just seem overwhelmed and gassed and probably dinged up as well. Other players such as Jordan Hill showed absolutely nothing and demonstrated that he's just not a good player rookie or not. So there are differences. Just like you can't say "big men take time to develop" and apply it to any and all "big men" who enter a draft. Some are good, some stink. The ones who are good show you something that wows you. The ones who aren't (like hill) simply don't show anything at all.

So you got to remember that and not just say "Oh he's just a rookie." or "Oh big men take time to develop." or "The coach didn't give him a chance." and apply it to EVERY SINGLE PLAYER. You just can't. As I said even those who aren't playing well right now did indeed show us all flashes of brilliance so you would be led to believe in those cases that after a good offseason that they may come back stronger than before and play more consistent.

There is a difference. Make no mistake. Gallinari and Jennings are disappointing right now but both showed something and because of that they deserve the chance to work during the offseason and come back better.

So, no, the same doesn't apply to all players, for obvious reasons. Some players just plain stink.

Cosmic wrote:I think a couple of the young guys are worn down now. I don't know if it'd be wise to judge those who have been playing all season based on their recent down turns. It's not nice to see but I would prefer to give them the summer to get some strength and then see how they play the start of next season. Then I think you can get a more accurate opinion on whether or not they were simply hitting "rookie walls" or if there is something wrong with the players and this is what they will be.

But the set of rules are different for different players of different ages. Make no mistake. Jennings and Gallo showed some pretty terrific skills at times this past season but both just seem overwhelmed and gassed and probably dinged up as well. Other players such as Jordan Hill showed absolutely nothing and demonstrated that he's just not a good player rookie or not. So there are differences. Just like you can't say "big men take time to develop" and apply it to any and all "big men" who enter a draft. Some are good, some stink. The ones who are good show you something that wows you. The ones who aren't (like hill) simply don't show anything at all.

So you got to remember that and not just say "Oh he's just a rookie." or "Oh big men take time to develop." or "The coach didn't give him a chance." and apply it to EVERY SINGLE PLAYER. You just can't. As I said even those who aren't playing well right now did indeed show us all flashes of brilliance so you would be led to believe in those cases that after a good offseason that they may come back stronger than before and play more consistent.

There is a difference. Make no mistake. Gallinari and Jennings are disappointing right now but both showed something and because of that they deserve the chance to work during the offseason and come back better.

So, no, the same doesn't apply to all players, for obvious reasons. Some players just plain stink.

I have to disagree about Hill. He was never given a chance and when he was he showed signs that he could be a good player. Since you brought up Hill remember he was the 8th pick on a team that is still stuck at 19 wins. During the 50 plus games that D'Antoni coached him he played in only 24. If you realize that in three of those 24 he played for less than 2 minutes and I believe his longest outing was 20 minutes you have to say that the kid never had a chance. I don't think there is anyway that you can evaluate him based on that limited amount of playing time. People can't ask others to have patience with Gallinari because he was hurt last year and this is his first full season and then judge Hill based on the limited minutes he received from a coach who wouldn't play him. One of D'Antoni's faults coming into the Knicks job was that he didn't play or develop rookies.

playa2 wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Kool-aid drinker here. I have had the same thoughts on Gallo lately. Truth is, I don't see much difference in his positioning on the court, he seems to be spending a significant amount of time on the perimeter. Now, I have seen him in the post a couple more times, but he doesn't look altogether comfortable there. More than before, I have seen him pass up shots that he would have taken. I am not sure if his confidence is wiped out or if he has some lingering injury issues with his forearm. I'd like to see him shooting more. I am curious what he looks like in practice. I hope one of Hahn's articles addresses this.

I see the arm as the issue, and the biggest sign to me has been his FT% this month- under 65%. He was shooting well, especially at the line, even with the bad back last year. I said it before the All-Star break and I am saying it now, the Knicks should have pulled him out of both events he participated in and let his arm recover. You hurt the arm on Dec. 2, and are still wearing a supportive sleeve over 2 months later? That tells me the injury is a lingering one which is only going to get better through rest.

He may even be passing up shots because he feels he cannot make them at this point. Right now he is only helping to spread the floor with the threat of his shot. To be honest, if I was playing D against him I would back off a bit a make him prove he can hit the 3 with regularity again.

Cosmic's posts have made me look at Gallo's back as a possible issue, but he continues to go hard on D, and that is one part of the game where you can't play in a controlled manner designed to protect a back (or rib)injury, because it is the "too fast to think," reactive aspect of the game, full of sudden movements, turns, twists, falls, etc., and Gallinari is still very active as a defender, even though he is being made to guard opposing players who most players his size would never have to guard.

According to you he couldn't have taken himself out of the 3 pt shoot contest or the Rookie Soph game if he was really hurting that bad ?

An older player, who had nothing to prove, with some brains would have bowed out.

By the way, do you think that having to shoot a foul shot with your left hand after throwing up a 10 footer with your regular hand might be a sign that the injury is more of a problem than the Knicks want us to believe?

playa2 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

playa2 wrote:I have been watching gallo for awhile now and thought he would improve as the season went on. To my surprise he seems disinterested unless he gets a dunk or a layup. Danphoney said Gallup is the best shooter he has ever seen, so when we need a sure shot bucket why doesn't he call a play for him ?

I was very impressed of the video's I saw of him, but maybe he's living the life while in NY as a 21 yr old ? Hitting the rookie wall happens to mostly all rookies, but what ever they specialize in we should still see a glimpse of it.

Pro supporters will say wait till next yr, injuries are taking a toll , or he's just hit the wall. He participated in the 3 pt shoot out and rookie soph game so how hurt was he...he guaranteed he would win the 3 pt shootout

Skeptics will say he was overrated from the start, some say he's soft as blue cheese once he got to experience all the teams& players in the association and is afraid to mix it up down low even at at 6"10.

So the jury is out on him, lets hope he can pick it up a little these last 20 some odd games. We can't afford another lottery pick failure can we ????

Playa... I was just thinking the same thing about Jennings. He started amazing but he's gotten worse in just about every catagory. He's averaging like 10ppg in Feb and his averages have plummeted month by month. More hype than substance? Maybe that 160 pound frame isnt suited for the NBA? Even against the Knicks he floated and looked board until the end of the game. Who would you say has regressed more?

Why do you compare a lights out shooter to a pass 1st pg ?

Allanfan20 wrote:Except Jennings isn't a pass first PG.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/12973483/with-quality-and-quantity-this-group-of-ones-is-second-to-none?tag=coverlist_footer;coverlist_photo_content

Reinforcements arrived in the 2009 draft, led by Evans, Jennings and Jonny Flynn, not to mention Ty Lawson and Darren Collison. Evans figures to evolve into more of a scoring guard, but Jennings -- despite his scoring prowess -- is a PASS FIRST guy in the old-school mold.

playa2 wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

playa2 wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Kool-aid drinker here. I have had the same thoughts on Gallo lately. Truth is, I don't see much difference in his positioning on the court, he seems to be spending a significant amount of time on the perimeter. Now, I have seen him in the post a couple more times, but he doesn't look altogether comfortable there. More than before, I have seen him pass up shots that he would have taken. I am not sure if his confidence is wiped out or if he has some lingering injury issues with his forearm. I'd like to see him shooting more. I am curious what he looks like in practice. I hope one of Hahn's articles addresses this.

I see the arm as the issue, and the biggest sign to me has been his FT% this month- under 65%. He was shooting well, especially at the line, even with the bad back last year. I said it before the All-Star break and I am saying it now, the Knicks should have pulled him out of both events he participated in and let his arm recover. You hurt the arm on Dec. 2, and are still wearing a supportive sleeve over 2 months later? That tells me the injury is a lingering one which is only going to get better through rest.

He may even be passing up shots because he feels he cannot make them at this point. Right now he is only helping to spread the floor with the threat of his shot. To be honest, if I was playing D against him I would back off a bit a make him prove he can hit the 3 with regularity again.

Cosmic's posts have made me look at Gallo's back as a possible issue, but he continues to go hard on D, and that is one part of the game where you can't play in a controlled manner designed to protect a back (or rib)injury, because it is the "too fast to think," reactive aspect of the game, full of sudden movements, turns, twists, falls, etc., and Gallinari is still very active as a defender, even though he is being made to guard opposing players who most players his size would never have to guard.

According to you he couldn't have taken himself out of the 3 pt shoot contest or the Rookie Soph game if he was really hurting that bad ?

Most athletes would have to be forced out of the events, especially young ones who have never been on the stage that Gallo had an opportunity to be on. Most gamers want to keep playing unless the pain is just too excruciating.

An older player, who had nothing to prove, with some brains would have bowed out.

By the way, do you think that having to shoot a foul shot with your left hand after throwing up a 10 footer with your regular hand might be a sign that the injury is more of a problem than the Knicks want us to believe?

I would think just the opposite. A veteran player could tell the team he's going to participate regardless. When did injured rookies have the authority when seriously injured to play in exhibition games during the season unless the coaching -medical staff deemed it ok ?

LOL, yeah, he's a pass first PG that's averaging 16 shots per game this year.

playa2 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

playa2 wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

playa2 wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Kool-aid drinker here. I have had the same thoughts on Gallo lately. Truth is, I don't see much difference in his positioning on the court, he seems to be spending a significant amount of time on the perimeter. Now, I have seen him in the post a couple more times, but he doesn't look altogether comfortable there. More than before, I have seen him pass up shots that he would have taken. I am not sure if his confidence is wiped out or if he has some lingering injury issues with his forearm. I'd like to see him shooting more. I am curious what he looks like in practice. I hope one of Hahn's articles addresses this.

I see the arm as the issue, and the biggest sign to me has been his FT% this month- under 65%. He was shooting well, especially at the line, even with the bad back last year. I said it before the All-Star break and I am saying it now, the Knicks should have pulled him out of both events he participated in and let his arm recover. You hurt the arm on Dec. 2, and are still wearing a supportive sleeve over 2 months later? That tells me the injury is a lingering one which is only going to get better through rest.

He may even be passing up shots because he feels he cannot make them at this point. Right now he is only helping to spread the floor with the threat of his shot. To be honest, if I was playing D against him I would back off a bit a make him prove he can hit the 3 with regularity again.

Cosmic's posts have made me look at Gallo's back as a possible issue, but he continues to go hard on D, and that is one part of the game where you can't play in a controlled manner designed to protect a back (or rib)injury, because it is the "too fast to think," reactive aspect of the game, full of sudden movements, turns, twists, falls, etc., and Gallinari is still very active as a defender, even though he is being made to guard opposing players who most players his size would never have to guard.

According to you he couldn't have taken himself out of the 3 pt shoot contest or the Rookie Soph game if he was really hurting that bad ?

Most athletes would have to be forced out of the events, especially young ones who have never been on the stage that Gallo had an opportunity to be on. Most gamers want to keep playing unless the pain is just too excruciating.

An older player, who had nothing to prove, with some brains would have bowed out.

By the way, do you think that having to shoot a foul shot with your left hand after throwing up a 10 footer with your regular hand might be a sign that the injury is more of a problem than the Knicks want us to believe?

I would think just the opposite. A veteran player could tell the team he's going to participate regardless. When did injured rookies have the authority when seriously injured to play in exhibition games during the season unless the coaching -medical staff deemed it ok ?

LOL, yeah, he's a pass first PG that's averaging 16 shots per game this year.

He plays with a bunch of lunch pail blue collar players, who else is gonna shoot. He's still a pass 1st pg.

it's just silly playa. you make EVERY excuse in the world for jennings and then you **** on gallo every chance you get. cmon bro.

TMS wrote:i'm almost glad we traded away our draft picks so i don't have to listen to guys ragging on our rookies all the time.

Now there's a funny comment.