TMS wrote:

someone refresh my memory but did Orlando give away their lottery selection from the previous year & 2 potential future 1st round picks to clear that cap space to make a run at Hill & T-Mac?

I don't know but here's their tear down. And yes they did make one cap cutting trade and gave up a 1st rounder to do it. You'll see it. They gave up a 1st rounder for TMac. They also acquired some picks along the way as well.

magic teardown

Now, we gave up what again? A piece of garbage player in Jordan Hill. A right to SWAP picks in 2011 with a floundering Houston Rockets team, and the 2012 pick.

What again was so epic about these assets? A bum player, a swap with a mediocre team that might not even happen, and a 2012 pick that won't be much if we do this right?

That was the price in the end to get rid of 10M more of crippling 2011 salary? Fine by me. What were we going to build with these assets? Jordan Hill a bum, an 8th pick or worst in 2011, a 12th pick or worst in 2012.

These are the monumental assets we gave up? Really? This is a foundation you'd build a winning team on? Jordan Hill and a couple of late lotto picks?

Not a chance....

Cosmic wrote:

TMS wrote:

someone refresh my memory but did Orlando give away their lottery selection from the previous year & 2 potential future 1st round picks to clear that cap space to make a run at Hill & T-Mac?

I don't know but here's their tear down. And yes they did make one cap cutting trade and gave up a 1st rounder to do it. You'll see it. They gave up a 1st rounder for TMac. They also acquired some picks along the way as well.

magic teardown

Now, we gave up what again? A piece of garbage player in Jordan Hill. A right to SWAP picks in 2011 with a floundering Houston Rockets team, and the 2012 pick.

What again was so epic about these assets? A bum player, a swap with a mediocre team that might not even happen, and a 2012 pick that won't be much if we do this right?

That was the price in the end to get rid of 10M more of crippling 2011 salary? Fine by me. What were we going to build with these assets? Jordan Hill a bum, an 8th pick or worst in 2011, a 12th pick or worst in 2012.

These are the monumental assets we gave up? Really? This is a foundation you'd build a winning team on? Jordan Hill and a couple of late lotto picks?

Not a chance....

Cosmic I wish I had your unshakable faith that this was the right move but I don't. Just hope.

You keep poo-pooing Jordan Hill "an 8th pick or worst in 2011, a 12th pick or worst in 2012."

Look at the list of players who got drafted later than 8 and later than 12 and you'll see some nice players. Daryl Morey knew that clearing cap space was HUGE for us so he demanded a pound of flesh and got it. I don't think he looked at Hill, the 2011 swap right and the 2012 first rounder and thought.."Oh wow..what a bunch of crap. I guess this is the best I can get for $23 M in salary cap relief."

I've read analysis of this trade from the guys at ESPN and in the Houston papers and they're all grading it as a great trade for the Rockets.

From the way you're talking it makes the trade sound like a total lopsided winner for the Knicks who gave away a bunch of guaranteed crap. I think that's what's perpetuating this thread.

Why is it to hard to admit that we paid what COULD be a STEEP price to get what COULD be an awesome franchise changing 1-2 punch?

I don't see why the narrative has to be between the 2 extremes of

a) this trade was terrible! we're doomed! we gave up future franchise players by giving up draft picks!

b) this trade was a no brainer! the draft picks and Jordan Hill will all be garbage! I can see it in my crystal ball!

This is why sports radio sometimes sucks..all these extreme opinions and hyperbole don't really lend themselves to intelligent discussions.

Cosmic wrote:

TMS wrote:

someone refresh my memory but did Orlando give away their lottery selection from the previous year & 2 potential future 1st round picks to clear that cap space to make a run at Hill & T-Mac?

I don't know but here's their tear down. And yes they did make one cap cutting trade and gave up a 1st rounder to do it. You'll see it. They gave up a 1st rounder for TMac. They also acquired some picks along the way as well.

magic teardown

Now, we gave up what again? A piece of garbage player in Jordan Hill. A right to SWAP picks in 2011 with a floundering Houston Rockets team, and the 2012 pick.

What again was so epic about these assets? A bum player, a swap with a mediocre team that might not even happen, and a 2012 pick that won't be much if we do this right?

That was the price in the end to get rid of 10M more of crippling 2011 salary? Fine by me. What were we going to build with these assets? Jordan Hill a bum, an 8th pick or worst in 2011, a 12th pick or worst in 2012.

These are the monumental assets we gave up? Really? This is a foundation you'd build a winning team on? Jordan Hill and a couple of late lotto picks?

Not a chance....

lol, now the Houston Rockets are a "floundering franchise"... whatever u say dude... we'll see what happens this summer... if we miss out on Lebron maybe we can trade 5 1st round picks to the floundering Nuggets for Melo in a sign & trade.

TMS wrote:

lol, now the Houston Rockets are a "floundering franchise"... whatever u say dude... we'll see what happens this summer... if we miss out on Lebron maybe we can trade 5 1st round picks to the floundering Nuggets for Melo in a sign & trade.

Think about it.

They're flirting with .500. We should flirt with .500 next year. McGrady tanked and is gone. Ariza isn't all that. Artest is gone. Yao is hurt. Where are they going?

That 2011 swap isn't going to be us giving up a top 3 pick and taking on a 23 pick from Houston. It'll be us swapping picks in the teens with each other if any swap at all.

And you gotta stop with the notion that Donnie has been wildly throwing picks around. He hasn't He bought Douglas last year. He gave up the 2012 for cap space - and Sergio. We got a potential 2011 swap. Why you turn this into "Donnie just traded five lotto picks for TMac!" is confusing. It doesn't make your POV sound any better.