BRIGGS wrote:If we arent doing this for two max FA--than why did we do it?

Please refer to this thread for the answer.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=34069

TheGame wrote:TMac us not resigning for 5 mil.

Its entirely possible, but what is his worth right now? 7M? 10M? What is another team going to give him?

iSergio posted a recent interview with him in another thread where he flatly said he didn't care about the money. Could be posturing, but can you provide any reasons why he gets more from another team?

BRIGGS wrote:

franco12 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I think there is many ways to put a team together and the Knicks basically took away the drafting aspect of it for three years. If the Knicks are bad---we get nothing for it--nothing to compensate a bad year. When we sit back adn watch Utah potentially take a John Wall--than anyone will understand what I am talking about---we tried this once!!! Perhasp it was under a different scenario to get a *star* Steph Marbury but it backfired BADLY. This is the SAME thing. If we had kept the 24mm in cap instead of 33 we couldve offered one max fA and signed David Lee to a 10mm per contract by simply buying out Curry for 9.75mm or trading Douglas for a 2nd rounder.--that wouldve gave us almost 26

16.7mm for the max contract and a 10mm contract start at 8.3--25mm. In the scenario we get tow max contracts we lose David Lee. We will not be the one's who will discover if Hill is good or not. Unless we get Lebroin James this was an insanely desperate --not very well thought out panic move. the numbers dont work to fil out the roster--were going to have to have like 7 minimum salary players--hard to win like that. If LGJ is a man of his word hes not coming to this train wreck and I dont think he will. If the Knicks panicked at the deadline--they will be worse with money to burn--they will impulse buy.

Briggs- I so agree with you- and here is the really key part.

Say we bring in 2 max players- and as you rightly point out- we'll have to fill out a lot of the supporting cast with minimum salary guys.

I have 2 words for everyone: Anthony Roberson.

Walsh & MDA have yet to find 1 halfway decent player among undrafted or NBDL players. In fact, they've made some horrible mistakes in talent judgment that lead me to argue that unless Lebron and his second fiddle can win a championship alone, its going to be a failed strategy.

franco--I really think that some fans don't understand the cap aspect. It will be all and good if we get LBJ in the 3/100 chance we have but after that the waters get muddy.

Number 1 we have to renounce everyone and HOP that Eddy C takes a 9.75 buyout or we cant get to two FA according to Larry Coon caps projection of 53mm. If we arent doing this for two max FA--than why did we do it????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????/

The quest

We did it because we have a dim witted owner who all his life has had everything handed to him, and he wants a championship, but without all the hard work.

Was it you that said Donnie was probably embarrassed by the deal?

Walsh has probably given up with trying to get Dolan to see reason.

And Briggs- the scariest thing is all the kool aid drinkers here are saying - it was a bold move, you don't plan to keep draft picks because it implies your a loser.

And that is the exact mentality that Isiah had when he was trading for Marbury and then Curry. He never expected his moves to fail, and he assumed he would put together a winning group that would make the draft picks lower first rounders, and hence not worth much.

How wrong was he? And I am worried that same hubris is playing out again.

As much as we love this team, I'm starting to become detached. There is no hope as long as Dolan is the owner.

Do you guys think this is enough money to build depth on our roster for the next 3-4 years? Would this be a contending team if Gallo and Chandler continue to develop?

Still would be a big need for size.

Even the sales reps know we have $32 million in cap space.

s3231 wrote:Lmao, I got a call from the Knicks today about season tickets for next year.

Even the sales reps know we have $32 million in cap space.

Of course you did. This is their opportunity to cash in on the POTENTIAL regardless of if they can actually successfully execute.

Andrew wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:If we arent doing this for two max FA--than why did we do it?

Please refer to this thread for the answer.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=34069

Great idea - put BRIGGS into an infinite loop.

LivingLegend wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

EnySpree wrote:I was just about to come in and post the same thing Andrew...thats crazy. I'll just get thought out of my head since I'm here....

The right way to build the team for now would be to at least try to sign one bonified all-star to roll with the Knicks this year. If it's Lebron, cool...I seriously doubt the big 3 of Lebron, Wade or Bosh are coming to NY....but i do believe Joe Johnson would definately come over. Joe is not a max deal guy but he should command close to it.

my breakdown:

1 max/close to max player: 12-16 mill
Re-sign our own all-star in David Lee: 10-12 mill
sign another borderline all-star or 2 bonified nba starters 5-10 mill

Thats roughly 35 mill in cap space spent depending on how it plays out...Knicks still have Gallo, Wilson, Toney Douglas and Eddy Curry on the roster...that's a total of 7-8 guys/potential rotation players...the rest of the team can be nba minimum dudes/nbdl guys/dudes hungry to help a team win a title.

2011 trade deadline the Knicks would have Eddy Curry's contract to use as trade bate...but who know's??? Curry may actually be playing well and fitting in with the team. At any rate...his huge contract comes off the books...Knicks could use that bread to get yet another guy at around 10 mill per to help the cause...

This is a joyous time my dudes......and it's not just all about Lebron and his scrotum....so please get off it.

Walsh would not be getting Heat if he didnt include those picks. The East will be unknown until some games are played in Fall 2010. Swapping picks is dangerous because it can potentially be a mid range lottery pick.

Big issue is will waiting for Lebron to make a decision cause us to miss out on other guys. Next issue is do we want to pay Joe Johnson the max because he isnt leaving for less.

Curry is finished stop talking crazy.

But he would have gotten heat if he didn't make a deal to free cap space.

You can't have it both ways but it seems most Knick fans prefer it that way.

Nobody was willing to take Jefferies but the Rockets. There wasn't a long line of teams out there calling Donnie for the rights to JJ's contract.

Sacramento offered to take him last year if we included Nate and took nothing back. That deal is far better than the deal we just did as far as cap clearing and keeping our own draft picks.

LivingLegend wrote:I don't agree.

I think yesterday proved it is about 2 players.

If Donnie (the Knicks) felt they could get Lebron here by himself (without another star) they wouldn't have bitten the bullet on Hill and the 2012 pick in order to dump Jefferies.

In biting the bullet on that deal they are saying.....

We don't think Lebron would come by himself (and he doesn't prefer Lee as his primary partner) but he would come if he can come with another STAR.

I think a team of Lebron, another star, Sergio, Chandler & Gallo ---- plus other smaller players and 2 2nd round picks can compete in the EAST.

On top of that we can net additional assets by trading Lee to an under cap team and by next trade deadline we could bring in another star by moving Eddy's expiring deal.

Everything doesn't have to happen in one day but if Lebron can pick the star he wants to join him and that player comes with him --- then we will find a way to maximize the roster by the end of the 2010 season.

No one is disputing that if we get LeBron + another star, then this trade was worth it tenfold. Hell, just getting LeBron alone would easily be worth Jordan Hill + 2 1st round picks.

But unless Donnie Walsh has some wink-wink deal with LeBron's confidantes or agent, then there is absolutely no guarantee that we get LeBron in the summer. If we strike out on the top 3 FA's, and our best signing is Joe Johnson, or worse, Amare Stoudemire (who's no better than Lee), we're going to be capped out with a team that likely won't make the playoffs. Amare and JJ were on bottom-dwelling teams until they got help from Nash and Josh Smith/Horford/Bibby.

Moreover, despite what Donnie says, this deal pressures him to make a splash in 2010, even if the best move is to sit on our cap space and wait till 2011, using our cap space to acquire picks and absorb unwanted contracts from other teams (like OKC has been doing for the past 3 years), and then making a run for the likes of Chris Paul (FA in 2012, but NOH may look to trade him in 2011). But that's no longer an option now that we don't have our lottery selection for 2011 and 2012. We can't afford to be a losing team again next season.

Anyone who claims we gained flexibility with this trade is drinking the kool aid. We lost flexibility big time. It's now LeBron or Wade or BUST.