crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

sebstar wrote:I really dont get your fascination with Brook Lopez. At best duke is Sharif Abdur Rahim or whatever the fukk his name was version 2.0

Stephan Curry is good, but he's not a franchise changer. We would have been just fine drafting Jennings our point guard of the future and keeping Wilson Chandler. That should be number one. Completely missing on Jennings because he wasnt some soft ass boy scout or whatever it is D'ivatoni is looking for in his players.

I put my foot down there---Curry and Lopez will be all stars in this league at the most important positions---I'll eat my underwear if they arent. Im going to tell you Stephon Curry is better than almost anyone believes.

i believe they should have sacrificed Wilson to ensure getting Stephen Curry. they needed an engine - kid would be perfect for D'antoni.

I think the deal was Hughes and Chandler[which is very comparable to Miller Foye] not pick 7

In any event--Steph Curry in his prime will be very similar to Chris Paul--their first year numbers are very similar. He can score rebound he's turning intoa great passer--he's a good defender and will pick up high steal numbers---thats what we passed on Chris Paul 2.

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

sebstar wrote:I really dont get your fascination with Brook Lopez. At best duke is Sharif Abdur Rahim or whatever the fukk his name was version 2.0

Stephan Curry is good, but he's not a franchise changer. We would have been just fine drafting Jennings our point guard of the future and keeping Wilson Chandler. That should be number one. Completely missing on Jennings because he wasnt some soft ass boy scout or whatever it is D'ivatoni is looking for in his players.

I put my foot down there---Curry and Lopez will be all stars in this league at the most important positions---I'll eat my underwear if they arent. Im going to tell you Stephon Curry is better than almost anyone believes.

i believe they should have sacrificed Wilson to ensure getting Stephen Curry. they needed an engine - kid would be perfect for D'antoni.

I think the deal was Hughes and Chandler[which is very comparable to Miller Foye] not pick 7

In any event--Steph Curry in his prime will be very similar to Chris Paul--their first year numbers are very similar. He can score rebound he's turning intoa great passer--he's a good defender and will pick up high steal numbers---thats what we passed on Chris Paul 2.

i don't think he can get to the rim like chris paul (pre-surgery, at least). but all other aspects of his game are very similar.

everyone knows they completely blew the 2009 draft. what a disaster. donnie can be too conservative and that's what's hurt us most. if this tmac trade doesn't go through and we're stuck with jeffries on our cap - he's effectively been too damn conservative on two huge trades.

tmac and stephen curry. those would be my big gripes.

the other stuff i could go either way on. but tmac and curry HAD to happen. HAD to.

sebstar wrote:I really dont get your fascination with Brook Lopez. At best duke is Sharif Abdur Rahim or whatever the fukk his name was version 2.0

Stephan Curry is good, but he's not a franchise changer. We would have been just fine drafting Jennings, our point guard of the future, and keeping Wilson Chandler. That should be number one. Completely missing on Jennings because he wasnt some soft ass boy scout or whatever it is D'ivatoni is looking for in his players was disgraceful.

i understand briggs' lament for not taking lopez.

this is a guy that will give you 10/10 with a 1-2 blocks every night at center.

you draft him and that is one position you will not have to worry about for a long long time. allows you to focus on other parts.

don't look at drafting him as a savior but as a very good player at a tough to find position.

but with gallo, is he a sf or a pf? chandler was already on the team as an sf. lee was already on the team as a pf. by taking gallo, can you sit back and put him in every night at the sf spot and not have to worry about it?

WindsorPl wrote:Agree with 5, 6, 7, 8. The rest is a stretch.

YTou should agree with 1 2 3 4 as well

1. Lopez is way better than Gallinari
2. Having Steph Curry and no one else on the roster would be better than what we have now.
3. We couldve had Lee 2 years ago for 7mm per
4. The entire 2009 draft was blown

BRIGGS wrote:1. Not drafting Brook Lopez[I know many people like Gallo--but bypassing a 7-1 265 pound skill C was the biggest error to date for building a team]
2. Not trading Wilson Chandler for pick 5[Stephon Curry--this may be 1--it very well could be 1--thats how bad it was]
3. Not signing David Lee for 7mm per
4 Last years full draft[take your pick because Jordan Hill is going to Houston and he wasn't anywhere near the BPA ]
5 Signing Anthony Roberson over Anthony Morrow
6 Getting nothing for Nate Robinson over 2 years
7 Putting so much faith in Chris Duhon this year
8 Inability to find cheap players who can play like a CJ Watson--hey Donnie did you see him play tonight--maybe we shouldve brought him in for cheap this summer instead of throwing all of the eggs in the basket with Duhon and overpaying for Douglas?
9 Trading Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford prematurely and getting nothing except cap space[this could be significantly higher--its a wait and see.
10 Only attempt at a 7 footer was darko

I feel something very bad brewing--so I am allowed to swap. So far this effort has been stale and poor. There is a ton of dysfunction and they have only 1 plan.

1. Yes. Should have taken Lopez
2. I think Minny offered the better deal.
3. No reason to lock him up long term given our plan. He also wanted 10-12M per on a long term deal.
4. Jordan Hill sucks. Should have taken a risk on Jennings. But he's not doing too well and is a head case at times.
5. Roberson was a stupid signing.
6. Nate Robinson is a knucklehead. Wasn't going to get much for him. Especially since teams could have just waited to sign him outright in the summer.
7. We had no one else than Duhon. Now that we have Sergio do you see Duhon?
8. No reason to sign these random cheap players when we had a full roster and kids we were developing as it was. CJ Watson is nicknamed CJ Disaster by Warrior fans for good reason.
9. This is a joke. Randolph and Crawford weren't winning anything here. We keep them we have no shot at 2010 free agency.
10. What other 7 footers were there to be claimed that were good and other teams didn't see? When does Mike play centers?

...and lastly, no move made the past 1.5 years was designed to actually improve the team (the draft should have been but the draft is never a sure thing far from it).

No matter what you believe BRIGGS the Knicks wanted to tear down Isiah's mess and they have done so. Disagreeing with that course of action is one thing but to list the whole 1.5 years as a long list of mistakes is ridiculous when you know the plan they took was designed to go like this.

You keep listing mistakes and gripes as if Walsh is trying to follow YOUR plan but doing it wrong.

That's so ass backwards I don't know where to start so I won't bother.

Cosmic wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:1. Not drafting Brook Lopez[I know many people like Gallo--but bypassing a 7-1 265 pound skill C was the biggest error to date for building a team]
2. Not trading Wilson Chandler for pick 5[Stephon Curry--this may be 1--it very well could be 1--thats how bad it was]
3. Not signing David Lee for 7mm per
4 Last years full draft[take your pick because Jordan Hill is going to Houston and he wasn't anywhere near the BPA ]
5 Signing Anthony Roberson over Anthony Morrow
6 Getting nothing for Nate Robinson over 2 years
7 Putting so much faith in Chris Duhon this year
8 Inability to find cheap players who can play like a CJ Watson--hey Donnie did you see him play tonight--maybe we shouldve brought him in for cheap this summer instead of throwing all of the eggs in the basket with Duhon and overpaying for Douglas?
9 Trading Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford prematurely and getting nothing except cap space[this could be significantly higher--its a wait and see.
10 Only attempt at a 7 footer was darko

I feel something very bad brewing--so I am allowed to swap. So far this effort has been stale and poor. There is a ton of dysfunction and they have only 1 plan.

1. Yes. Should have taken Lopez
2. I think Minny offered the better deal.
3. No reason to lock him up long term given our plan. He also wanted 10-12M per on a long term deal.
4. Jordan Hill sucks. Should have taken a risk on Jennings. But he's not doing too well and is a head case at times.
5. Roberson was a stupid signing.
6. Nate Robinson is a knucklehead. Wasn't going to get much for him. Especially since teams could have just waited to sign him outright in the summer.
7. We had no one else than Duhon. Now that we have Sergio do you see Duhon?
8. No reason to sign these random cheap players when we had a full roster and kids we were developing as it was. CJ Watson is nicknamed CJ Disaster by Warrior fans for good reason.
9. This is a joke. Randolph and Crawford weren't winning anything here. We keep them we have no shot at 2010 free agency.
10. What other 7 footers were there to be claimed that were good and other teams didn't see? When does Mike play centers?

...and lastly, no move made the past 1.5 years was designed to actually improve the team (the draft should have been but the draft is never a sure thing far from it).

No matter what you believe BRIGGS the Knicks wanted to tear down Isiah's mess and they have done so. Disagreeing with that course of action is one thing but to list the whole 1.5 years as a long list of mistakes is ridiculous when you know the plan they took was designed to go like this.

You keep listing mistakes and gripes as if Walsh is trying to follow YOUR plan but doing it wrong.

That's so ass backwards I don't know where to start so I won't bother.

Cosmic--first off I think C J watson is one of the most undervalued players in this league--he's a very good player.

Secondly--just using reasonable assumption--how is pick 7 Wilson Chanlder and Hughes not more appealing than Foye and Miller[who was about to expire?] Sorry--there is no way in hll we didnt have the superior package--anyone who follows basketball would think our deal was vastly superior. EG is not dumb.

2. This years draft (Jennings, Lawson, trade down)
-Maynor, Caspi, Gibson, Blair, Collison all late picks Walsh needed to be all over these guys

3. Lee extension - should have been taken care of before last season you could have locked him in for 7-8 million. He went crazy once the season began and his value went up. Huge asset in a trade at a great contract like Prince, Billups, etc before they signed there last deals...

4. Nate Robinson-getting nothing for Nate Robinson while he was averaging 17pts a game off the bench was another big blunder. They could have got an extra pick.

5. Not being on the same page as the coach

6. Chris Duhon for the full mid-level: you should be able to evaluate a player if you have been a GM for 30 years Donnie, Anthony Roberson? Briggs is right his ability to find cost effective talent is downright disgraceful