TMS wrote:

jusnice wrote:watching that workout video from GS, i have to reiterate something i've said all along...his footwork is terrible! I'm fine if we include him in this deal, but I would be pissed if we included draft picks.

a workout video is not the best way to judge to see if a kid's footwork is horrible... has anyone seen him play at Arizona & see him put up some sweet up & under moves to get a basket? or a quick turnaround fadeaway in the post & knock down a shot in his man's face? doesn't it take good footwork to do these things?

One thing I do know is about post moves and basketball and even when he was sinking his turn around J and going up and under at Arizona, he looked really, really clumsy IMO doing it. I do like his ability to finish in transition, and he evidenced that well in college. Having said that, maybe there's a reason he hasn't gotten PT this year and maybe trading him now is an indication that we don't feel all that psyched about his ability to transition his college game to the pros. Maybe he turns into another Renaldo Balkman, maybe he turns into the next Amare. My bet is on the former. I agree we have limited insight into his pro game, I'm just pointing out what I see on the tapes. He's movement isn't fluid and I'm OK with trading him now given what I've seen. If trading him gives us greater flexibility and could help the team next year, so be it.

give them Toney Douglas & a future lottery protected pick... leave Jordan Hill & the swap rights in 2011 out of it... to get $7 mil in cap space that's more than fair.

crzymdups wrote:

TMS wrote:i agree... personally i would prefer to hold onto Hill & throw in a 2012 pick cuz it won't necessarily be a lottery pick... if we had taken Hill with a #20 pick i'd have much less of a problem including him in the package... he was a highly projected prospect coming into this draft & i just don't wanna see him blow up somewhere else because MDA was too damn shortsighted to give him a chance to show much of anything his rookie season.

if we hold onto hill we don't have enough space to make two max offers this summer.

if that weren't the case i'd want to hold onto him, for sure. but with the situation as it is, i'd rather gamble on cap space.

then Donnie needs to make sure to get back a pick in exchange... u don't just throw in a #8 lottery pick as a filler piece to dump his contract... that's just assinine.

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sebstar wrote:

TMS wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:Didn't you get the memo, TMS. None of that matters now. Donnie wants to trade him so it's time to trash JHill. No matter how he was built up to excuse not getting a point guard. That was so last week. He's a bum now. He can't get minutes on this great team. Guys in the 2012 draft class, bums. Guys coming out next year, who cares. The plan is intact. This was the last piece for Lebron's needs. Getting rid of JHill and those future picks ensures it.

i have been high on Jordan Hill in the weeks leading up to the draft & nothing has changed my mind about him... the assumption that he's a busted pick simply because we're willing to trade him now is so flawed it's not even worth addressing... i guess that made Jermaine O'Neal a bust too since the Blazers traded him away before he ever got a real chance... or Kobe Bryant was a bust since the Hornets traded away his draft rights... gimme a break.

Those were completely different situations, bro. The Blazers were priming themselves for a championship run so they were looking for a veteran presence. Bad trade, but their mindset was different. Kobe refused to play for Charlotte. They had no choice.

Hill has largely looked awful in the limited minutes he's received, and he cant even get burn on an awful team and is behind Jared Jeffries on the depth chart. Ok, we're trying to pump up JJ's trade value, then how do you explain signing a completely broken down Bender when we have Hill sitting right there on the bench?

Again, do you see us making this deal if we had Brandon Jennings? Thats my point. The pick was pretty much a wasted one.

absolutely not, i agree w/u, there's no way we'd be talking this nonsense if we had picked Brandon Jennings... i'm not disagreeing w/u at all that Jennings has proven to be a better looking rookie prospect this season... but there were red flags around him that caused him not to be picked & i have a big suspicion MDA never wanted a PG like him to run this offense from the beginning.

that said, the way u guys around here have turned on Jordan Hill in the blink of an eye now all of a sudden he's a scrub & a bust & this is proof of it is assinine IMO, no offense bro... a week ago he looked promising & he just needed to get playing time to show what he could do... today we have the same guys talkin nonsense like we should toss him into a deal as a fillin on a hope & a prayer that Lebron & Wade are both going to sign here this summer... it's crazyness.

I'm viewing Hill through the lens and or/prism of management and D'Antoni. I'm theorizing that they have faced the truth that his upside is low or non-existent and they realize they've made a mistake. That explains, to me at least, why they are essentially giving him away and his complete lack of playing time.

sebstar wrote:

TMS wrote:

sebstar wrote:

TMS wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:Didn't you get the memo, TMS. None of that matters now. Donnie wants to trade him so it's time to trash JHill. No matter how he was built up to excuse not getting a point guard. That was so last week. He's a bum now. He can't get minutes on this great team. Guys in the 2012 draft class, bums. Guys coming out next year, who cares. The plan is intact. This was the last piece for Lebron's needs. Getting rid of JHill and those future picks ensures it.

i have been high on Jordan Hill in the weeks leading up to the draft & nothing has changed my mind about him... the assumption that he's a busted pick simply because we're willing to trade him now is so flawed it's not even worth addressing... i guess that made Jermaine O'Neal a bust too since the Blazers traded him away before he ever got a real chance... or Kobe Bryant was a bust since the Hornets traded away his draft rights... gimme a break.

Those were completely different situations, bro. The Blazers were priming themselves for a championship run so they were looking for a veteran presence. Bad trade, but their mindset was different. Kobe refused to play for Charlotte. They had no choice.

Hill has largely looked awful in the limited minutes he's received, and he cant even get burn on an awful team and is behind Jared Jeffries on the depth chart. Ok, we're trying to pump up JJ's trade value, then how do you explain signing a completely broken down Bender when we have Hill sitting right there on the bench?

Again, do you see us making this deal if we had Brandon Jennings? Thats my point. The pick was pretty much a wasted one.

absolutely not, i agree w/u, there's no way we'd be talking this nonsense if we had picked Brandon Jennings... i'm not disagreeing w/u at all that Jennings has proven to be a better looking rookie prospect this season... but there were red flags around him that caused him not to be picked & i have a big suspicion MDA never wanted a PG like him to run this offense from the beginning.

that said, the way u guys around here have turned on Jordan Hill in the blink of an eye now all of a sudden he's a scrub & a bust & this is proof of it is assinine IMO, no offense bro... a week ago he looked promising & he just needed to get playing time to show what he could do... today we have the same guys talkin nonsense like we should toss him into a deal as a fillin on a hope & a prayer that Lebron & Wade are both going to sign here this summer... it's crazyness.

I'm viewing Hill through the lens and or/prism of management and D'Antoni. I'm theorizing that they have faced the truth that his upside is low or non-existent and they realize they've made a mistake. That explains, to me at least, why they are essentially giving him away and his complete lack of playing time.

I am not opposed to this but I am opposed to including 1st round picks and swaps. Actually, we should get the other teams 1st round pick in return for Hill, if it is not a lottery pick.

TMS wrote:please... we still have cap space to sign a max guy & another impact FA this summer... this is a panic move

TMS, you have to know the ability to sign 2 max guys make us much more attractive. That 1 max guy could be Joe Johnson and you know this board would be up in arms if that happened.