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JrZyHuStLa
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2/11/2010  7:03 PM
djsunyc wrote:lee is ballllinnnn...of which nobody can deny.

my only question is what is the judging process coach's use to select players?

its clear josh smith is having a monster season and making a huge impact on games yet he's left off. is it b/c they don't want 3 hawks (although he's more deserving than horford)?

and what about bogut. another guy putting up serious numbers on both sides of the court and in the thick of the playoff hunt but left off too. not even getting any mentions anywhere.

lee deserves it because of his play and the strides he made...but they need to expand the rosters because I think you can make a better case for the other guys.

Stern picks injury replacements, so its pretty obvious why he picked Lee.

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2/11/2010  7:10 PM
Have Gallo guard the point guard every night. Lee has to get better defensively but what people forget he was the 30th pick. Why cant our lottery picks and Wilson average 20-11 and shoot 55%? Instead we get guys that cant rebound and shoot in the low 40's When Lee get a defensive center he will be even a better player
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2/11/2010  7:14 PM
Pharzeone wrote:Replace DLee name with Z-Bo and explain to me what's the difference?

The difference is Randolph is better at everything except dunking, and yes that includes defense.

to be more accurate, Zach Randolph is less bad than Lee at defense.

But no reason to dis Lee, he has achieved quite a bit on a personal level.

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2/11/2010  7:22 PM
zach randolph is also on the western conference so the point is mute. But yes, I'd give it to Zach over Lee if the choice was there.

Except Lee is a better passer than Randolph. Much better. And he's more efficient at putting the ball in the basket. But yes, Zach is still better. No sarcasm.

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2/11/2010  7:23 PM
King1 wrote:Have Gallo guard the point guard every night. Lee has to get better defensively but what people forget he was the 30th pick. Why cant our lottery picks and Wilson average 20-11 and shoot 55%? Instead we get guys that cant rebound and shoot in the low 40's When Lee get a defensive center he will be even a better player

hill/td dont play much... dg/wc are putting up pts that for where this team is at, are ok. they all need to get better or hope they can get better. i dont want the team to keep playing the 'cover up for player X' stuff though. we see how well that goes with jj and a few others. makes certain parts of the court 5 on 4 or worse.

GO TEAM VENTURE!!!!!
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2/11/2010  7:33 PM
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King1 wrote:Have Gallo guard the point guard every night. Lee has to get better defensively but what people forget he was the 30th pick. Why cant our lottery picks and Wilson average 20-11 and shoot 55%? Instead we get guys that cant rebound and shoot in the low 40's When Lee get a defensive center he will be even a better player

hill/td dont play much... dg/wc are putting up pts that for where this team is at, are ok. they all need to get better or hope they can get better. i dont want the team to keep playing the 'cover up for player X' stuff though. we see how well that goes with jj and a few others. makes certain parts of the court 5 on 4 or worse.

It would help if the coach and starting point guard sets both Gallinari and Chandler up like Lee. Those guys are basically eating scraps on the floor.

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2/11/2010  7:42 PM
Pharzeone wrote:
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King1 wrote:Have Gallo guard the point guard every night. Lee has to get better defensively but what people forget he was the 30th pick. Why cant our lottery picks and Wilson average 20-11 and shoot 55%? Instead we get guys that cant rebound and shoot in the low 40's When Lee get a defensive center he will be even a better player

hill/td dont play much... dg/wc are putting up pts that for where this team is at, are ok. they all need to get better or hope they can get better. i dont want the team to keep playing the 'cover up for player X' stuff though. we see how well that goes with jj and a few others. makes certain parts of the court 5 on 4 or worse.

It would help if the coach and starting point guard sets both Gallinari and Chandler up like Lee. Those guys are basically eating scraps on the floor.

It would help if both of those guys would assert themselves too. I think it's obvious that Chandler is very inconsistent when it comes to that, and Gallinari rarely does that. Actually, I'm pretty sure that MDA has said similar things. Ever play with guys that look like they don't give a crap if they get the ball or not? You might as well just cut their hands off, because they are useless when they are in that mindset.

Not saying Duhon has actually been playing good btw. He's been playing like crap too. But lets blame that all on Mike D'Antoni. I guess it shows just how good Lee has been actually.

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2/11/2010  7:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/11/2010  7:46 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:
sidsanders wrote:
King1 wrote:Have Gallo guard the point guard every night. Lee has to get better defensively but what people forget he was the 30th pick. Why cant our lottery picks and Wilson average 20-11 and shoot 55%? Instead we get guys that cant rebound and shoot in the low 40's When Lee get a defensive center he will be even a better player

hill/td dont play much... dg/wc are putting up pts that for where this team is at, are ok. they all need to get better or hope they can get better. i dont want the team to keep playing the 'cover up for player X' stuff though. we see how well that goes with jj and a few others. makes certain parts of the court 5 on 4 or worse.

It would help if the coach and starting point guard sets both Gallinari and Chandler up like Lee. Those guys are basically eating scraps on the floor.

It would help if both of those guys would assert themselves too. I think it's obvious that Chandler is very inconsistent when it comes to that, and Gallinari rarely does that. Actually, I'm pretty sure that MDA has said similar things. Ever play with guys that look like they don't give a crap if they get the ball or not? You might as well just cut their hands off, because they are useless when they are in that mindset.

Not saying Duhon has actually been playing good btw. He's been playing like crap too. But lets blame that all on Mike D'Antoni. I guess it shows just how good Lee has been actually.

Other than getting into an altercation with Duhon on the court or just stealing the ball from him. I don't see how much more they can do to assert themselves to get the ball. Lee has a personal point man. Offense running through Ewing makes sense, offense running through Lee not so much.

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2/11/2010  7:52 PM
You talk about how lee sucks on defense which i agree. He is better against a 4 and have you seen how the other guys on this team play defense. Gallo has averaged 3 rebound or less in 33% percent of our games is that really competing. Chandler shoots a low percentage. A bad as lee is if everyone on this team got 20-11 and shot 55% percent we would be a playoff team. We have one guy shooting over 50% and it is no longer in shallow waters.
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2/11/2010  7:54 PM
King1 wrote:You talk about how lee sucks on defense which i agree. He is better against a 4 and have you seen how the other guys on this team play defense. Gallo has averaged 3 rebound or less in 33% percent of our games is that really competing. Chandler shoots a low percentage. A bad as lee is if everyone on this team got 20-11 and shot 55% percent we would be a playoff team. We have one guy shooting over 50% and it is no longer in shallow waters.

you dont really mean this part ^^ ???? we would probably be undefeated!!!

GO TEAM VENTURE!!!!!
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2/11/2010  7:58 PM
Pharzeone wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:
sidsanders wrote:
King1 wrote:Have Gallo guard the point guard every night. Lee has to get better defensively but what people forget he was the 30th pick. Why cant our lottery picks and Wilson average 20-11 and shoot 55%? Instead we get guys that cant rebound and shoot in the low 40's When Lee get a defensive center he will be even a better player

hill/td dont play much... dg/wc are putting up pts that for where this team is at, are ok. they all need to get better or hope they can get better. i dont want the team to keep playing the 'cover up for player X' stuff though. we see how well that goes with jj and a few others. makes certain parts of the court 5 on 4 or worse.

It would help if the coach and starting point guard sets both Gallinari and Chandler up like Lee. Those guys are basically eating scraps on the floor.

It would help if both of those guys would assert themselves too. I think it's obvious that Chandler is very inconsistent when it comes to that, and Gallinari rarely does that. Actually, I'm pretty sure that MDA has said similar things. Ever play with guys that look like they don't give a crap if they get the ball or not? You might as well just cut their hands off, because they are useless when they are in that mindset.

Not saying Duhon has actually been playing good btw. He's been playing like crap too. But lets blame that all on Mike D'Antoni. I guess it shows just how good Lee has been actually.

Other than getting into an altercation with Duhon on the court or just stealing the ball from him. I don't see how much more they can do to assert themselves to get the ball. Lee has a personal point man. Offense running through Ewing makes sense, offense running through Lee not so much.

I agree with you that Lee isn't a go to guy, but I'd rather it run through him than anyone else on the team. Like I said, Chandler does not assert himself (Which we will just have to agree to disagree on) and Lee knows what he's doing. Everyone else has had their opportunities. Actually, if anything, I would rather see the offense run through Nate then Chandler and Gallo. And I definitely agree that the situation with him and Duhon starting and not starting is stupid. MDA deserves criticism for this.

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2/11/2010  8:00 PM
King1 wrote:You talk about how lee sucks on defense which i agree. He is better against a 4 and have you seen how the other guys on this team play defense. Gallo has averaged 3 rebound or less in 33% percent of our games is that really competing. Chandler shoots a low percentage. A bad as lee is if everyone on this team got 20-11 and shot 55% percent we would be a playoff team. We have one guy shooting over 50% and it is no longer in shallow waters.

?? Gallo is averaging around 5 rebounds a game and Chandler is shooting at 48% at the 2 guard spot. His jump shots have improved but as I state his post defense is putrid. Meaning when on the other side of the court he has put himself into being 5 on 4. Defense just doesn't interest him for whatever reason.

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2/11/2010  8:01 PM
djsunyc wrote:and don't ever cross S3231 because he will cut you...

Haha, indeed.

Agree on Josh Smith though. He should definitely be in the all-star game and is the 2nd most important player on that Hawks team.

It's tough, because Horford over Lee is a fair choice. At the same time, Smith deserves to be in more than Horford does. With that said, I don't think anyone wants the Hawks to have 3 guys on the all-star team.

Someone is going to be unhappy in the end either way.

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2/11/2010  8:17 PM
How I know david is I coached him in aau and we have stayed close. Other non defensive players that have played for us: Larry Hughes, Jahidi White, Loren Woods, Tyler Hansbrough, Brandon Rush, Shaun Livingstone. We also had a kid that decided he was a better baseball player named Ryan Howard. That is how I know David and all the florida gators.
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2/11/2010  8:38 PM
King1 wrote:How I know david is I coached him in aau and we have stayed close. Other non defensive players that have played for us: Larry Hughes, Jahidi White, Loren Woods, Tyler Hansbrough, Brandon Rush, Shaun Livingstone. We also had a kid that decided he was a better baseball player named Ryan Howard. That is how I know David and all the florida gators.

Name droppin' ass bastid, I know all them and they said you the cat that be sniffin' around their garbage.

They got restraining orders on you, son!

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2/11/2010  9:10 PM
Comparing D.lee this yr with Zach Randolph is slightly misleading. Randolph at 6"8 6"9 plays PF against guys at his position. D.lee has played against Centers all yr long which is a major advantage for him because he doesn't play defense anyway.
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2/11/2010  9:17 PM
sebstar if they said I was the elephant then I would have believed you but not a cat.
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2/11/2010  9:17 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
King1 wrote:Funny how youguys are killing Lee. Kobe and shaq come out publicly said David deserved it. Lebron told him he should be there as did Duncan and Bosh. He is gaining respect around the league from future HOF so he must be doing something right.

Don't be silly. Ultimate Knicks posters are the most intelligent posters in the world.


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2/11/2010  9:22 PM
Does anyone think Lee might be able to hold his own on d better at the 4 spot, it must get old and tiring being out sized every game ?
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2/11/2010  9:32 PM
rjv3 wrote:Does anyone think Lee might be able to hold his own on d better at the 4 spot, it must get old and tiring being out sized every game ?

That's the problem too because when Zeke played him at the 4 he had issues with his post defense. This isn't something new. He had issues at guarding the 3 when Brown used him as such.

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Ireally think if the Knicks had a all star it would attract better players

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