loweyecue wrote:

joec32033 wrote:I really do not understand.

The quote about guys careers, I took as him being sympathetic to the fact that all these expiring vets want another payday. He goes the whole rebuilding route, what type of contracts do these guys get if they are getting 5 spot minutes a night while our youth gets a major share of the minutes. I could be wrong but that is how I read it.

The whole thing with Al is PURE he said, he said stuff that has no supporting evidence. Al is still getting minutes, Pringles has not shown one ounce of animosity towards him on the court-as he is NOT afraid to show towards Nate.

All you guys jumping so blind on this bandwagon using an article with no supporting evidence, no direct OR indirect quoted from either party, and no real basis for it surprises me. Usually the sentiment on this board regarding rumor is the equivalent to the no blood no foul rule. No evidence no truth.

Excellent post, only one in the thread that made complete sense Except you seem to have posted it twice

Thanks. It was so nice I had to post it twice!! LOL! Seriously, I posted it from my phone. Fixed.

franco12 wrote:

TMS wrote:seems like the players that routinely get thrown under the bus by our coach for this team's failings are guys like Nate, Hughes & Al... meanwhile guys like D Lee & Duhon have been padding stats while playing absolutely no defense whatsoever all year long & they consistently get a pass from the head coach... MDA's penchant for playing favorites has a huge part to do with why this team has collapsed the way it did IMHO... last thing u want is for teammates to start resenting other teammates because of the kind of petty grade school BS that's been happening all year w/this team.

Do you think the team's collapsed? I mean, last game, yes.

But I tend to think its about us not being very good.

But I will agree, a different coach would be getting a better performance out of these players- all of them.

Totally agree. A Hall of Fame coach is just what this team needs to improve its all around play. Maybe someone like Larry Brown... OH, WAIT....

umynot wrote:Al can score!!

Thats it !!

He definitely does NOT play team ball!!

On any level in order to be ANY good you must be able to PASS the rock.
Al never does...... He scores from anywhere and when he is hot DAMN he can light it up.
But as soon as the other team focuses on him he cant seem to give up the ball.

Usually Ends up hurting us more then helping us.

Thanks to Cosmic I have all the games he downloaded and most games when Al is getting many shots
we end up in a major deficit ...... He scores 10 in the quarter yet we lost the lead in the process!!

I def don't blame only Al for our problems( Fuck DUDU ) but he def does not help as much as
his stats indicate.... He scores 17 pts a game but he costs us 30 to get those points!!

And NEVER PASSES!! NEVER!!!! He does not even avg 1 assist!!! For someone who touches the ball
that much? Come the **** on!!

If he can help shed Fishlips trade him!!

If he brings a pick trade him!! Any value trade him!!

I have yet to see any proof said anything bout Al so not saying anything bout that!!

Man is talanted but he is so dumb it's not even funny.
You can compensate some luck of talemt with hard work, but nothinhg can be done to compensate stuppidity.

franco12 wrote:

TMS wrote:seems like the players that routinely get thrown under the bus by our coach for this team's failings are guys like Nate, Hughes & Al... meanwhile guys like D Lee & Duhon have been padding stats while playing absolutely no defense whatsoever all year long & they consistently get a pass from the head coach... MDA's penchant for playing favorites has a huge part to do with why this team has collapsed the way it did IMHO... last thing u want is for teammates to start resenting other teammates because of the kind of petty grade school BS that's been happening all year w/this team.

Do you think the team's collapsed? I mean, last game, yes.

But I tend to think its about us not being very good.

But I will agree, a different coach would be getting a better performance out of these players- all of them.

when you're losing double digit leads to teams like the Kings in must win type scenarios with regularity like has been happening around here for the past couple weeks, i think the team is about as collapsed as u can get barring any Marbury vs. LB-type side shows to follow (which at this rate u'd be lying if u think nothing like that will ever happen w/MDA going forward)

i don't buy for a second that any of them realistically approached these recent games like they were fighting to make the playoffs right now... cuz if they were then it's even worse an indictment on these guys than i ever imagined... i don't care how bad u thought this team would be, i don't think anyone could have foreseen the complete lack of balls they've seen out of this team during this recent stretch... every single veteran on this team w/an expiring contract has been pushed to the point where nothing else matters this season except for padding their own stats to earn their next contract... i have yet to hear anyone make sense of MDA's rotations all year long regardless of how many rose colored wearing random grasp at straw attempts at achieving some sense out of them... if i feel that way as an outside observer, i can only imagine what the players are feeling, the same guys whose livelihoods & careers MDA has been charged with all year like he's talking about here... how the hell can anyone blame Nate for blowing up at his coach at this point when he's found himself in MDA's doghouse at different points in the season & watched as other teammates were given a wide berth by the same coach who would jump down his throat every time he messed up a single possession?

umynot wrote:

arkrud wrote:

umynot wrote:Al can score!!

Thats it !!

He definitely does NOT play team ball!!

On any level in order to be ANY good you must be able to PASS the rock.
Al never does...... He scores from anywhere and when he is hot DAMN he can light it up.
But as soon as the other team focuses on him he cant seem to give up the ball.

Usually Ends up hurting us more then helping us.

Thanks to Cosmic I have all the games he downloaded and most games when Al is getting many shots
we end up in a major deficit ...... He scores 10 in the quarter yet we lost the lead in the process!!

I def don't blame only Al for our problems( Fuck DUDU ) but he def does not help as much as
his stats indicate.... He scores 17 pts a game but he costs us 30 to get those points!!

And NEVER PASSES!! NEVER!!!! He does not even avg 1 assist!!! For someone who touches the ball
that much? Come the **** on!!

If he can help shed Fishlips trade him!!

If he brings a pick trade him!! Any value trade him!!

I have yet to see any proof said anything bout Al so not saying anything bout that!!

Man is talanted but he is so dumb it's not even funny.
You can compensate some luck of talemt with hard work, but nothinhg can be done to compensate stuppidity.

He works hard!! He wants to win and has Passion!!......

He should be a Globe Trotter not an NBA $11 million a year player!!

Thats true... but this Globe Trotters are very good actors. They know what they are doing and can follow the script.
Al is no good for this. He will straggle badly.
He do belongs to NBA but has very limited use and need someebody on the court to think and create for him.
We do not have anybody to do this so he became useless and even negative.

nixluva wrote:IS There an actual quote from MDA that has him saying any of this stuff about Al?

Yeah, that's a problem too but you know how MDA likes to operate in the shadows like he is the goddamn Batman when it comes to these things. But I agree no quotes used at all in the article. The only quotes I seen from him today was the bizarre quote about the rookies messing with people's lives.

Nalod wrote:Are any of us in the locker room? We on the bench?

We know whats REALLY going on?

Funny for so many reasons

nixluva wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:

nixluva wrote:IS There an actual quote from MDA that has him saying any of this stuff about Al?

Yeah, that's a problem too but you know how MDA likes to operate in the shadows like he is the goddamn Batman when it comes to these things. But I agree no quotes used at all in the article. The only quotes I seen from him today was the bizarre quote about the rookies messing with people's lives.

This is part of my problem with the criticism of this coach. We know that this team hasn't done anything in a long time and has chewed up coaches for years. We get a guy that has a sterling record and rep around the league (and no I don't recall any other coaches not liking him except for Del Negro who knifed him in the back in PHX). Remember how George Karl came out with the statements about MDA having to coach knowing he wasn't gonna get any help for two years? Coach K loves him and overall i've only read positive things about the guy and of course the guy won a lot before he got here. Sure he had talent, but what top coach gets bashed for how they coach talent? I'd rather have a guy that knows how to coach talent ie Phil Jackson, than a guy that seems to only do well with scrub teams but never seems to be able to deal with big talent. Some coaches are like that.

MDA isn't perfect no coach is, but he was able to come up with a system that maximized the talents of a decent but not great team. Tell me that it wasn't impressive to win 62 games his 1st full season in PHX and then win 54 without Joe Johnson or Amare, but with Bell, Diaw and KT instead. People wanna take all the credit away from the guy and give it to Nash, but how do you do that without then saying the same thing about every other great coach that has had the top players? Magic, Bird, MJ, Kobe etc.

i think this is a very fair post nix.

theres alot of factors here with this group and of course miked is not absolved of any negative criticism, i just think all the factors have to be taken into account. as you said nix, guys like lenny wilkens and larry brown (HOF coaches) have been run out of town here and here we have miked, who (love him or hate him) has/had a great rep around this league, whether it was coaches, players or executives. miked was brought here to coach in 2010, it just happens he was available in 2008 and if this is the guy that walsh wanted, he either had to get him then or let him go and he chose to get him then and just hope for the best until 2010. whether you like that plan or not, it's the way it is.

currently, this team has a mishmash of young and old, short contracts and long contracts and players who miked envisions in his system and some that he doesn't. i agree that miked should be playing TD and hill more and he why he isn't, im not really sure, but what do you expect the guy to do? it seems to me that there is a different agenda for every player on this team and a different agenda for this coach, this clearly isn't going to lead to anything positive and im sure walsh knew this coming into the season - it was either going to work in the beginning and the team was going to win games and the players would fall in line or they wouldn't and you would get what you have now, which is beginning to turn into a circus. it was a risk, but in reality, the goal was 2010 anyway so if it failed, theres always the summer and hopefully some players under our july christmas tree.

i'm not saying lets not all pile-on miked right now, you have the right to do it, but i think it's only fair to give him a fair shot next year when this team should actually have some stability when it comes to player personnel and hopefully some guys that really fit into miked's vision of a basketball team. after that, it's upto miked to get results.

At some point the players have to be held accountable as we've called for in seasons past. Duhon stunk, Hughes was up an down, tho mostly down. He can bitch about playing time but come on, the guy wasn't very good except for a brief set of games. All of the players except Jared have been really lax on D. We have a small period of time where the team gave good defensive effort and when they did, the team was winning. Did MDA forget what he was teaching them defensively or have the players just stopped working as hard?