Andrew wrote:

TMS wrote:we both are in agreement on this... developing the youth really should have been our #1 priority coming into the season, playoffs be damned.

While I like the idea of developing the youth, I think Walsh and MDA owe the 2 guys they convinced to take playoff related bonuses an honest effort to get the team into the playoffs.

I think they owe the fans first--the direction and future of the team. On top of it--the formula they have used is not successful. If we are vying for the playoffs--so are 14 teams in the east. When you are 12 games under .500--even if you're 5 games out---that's not realistic talk. Time to play Jordan Hill 30 minutes consistently to see if he can help the team play better. I think the message is pretty simple--we haven't won with he players they have used--time to give other people a shot--

TMS wrote:

sidsanders wrote:if it was a borderline playoff team with the young guys (not just dg/wc) playing critical mins, i would agree it shows the team is on the rise. as it stands now, the push this team was making was with mainly a vet crew who a vast majority probably wont be back. any momentum gained by a playoff run goes out the window if lee/nate/jj/duhon/hughes/harrington/etc are gone. this isnt saying those guys are great, those are they guys who get tons o mins (as you know )... in some cases they wont be gone unless traded (jj/curry, pleeeeease get them outta here). 2 young guys (dg/wc) get mins and both still have improvements i think we all hope they can make.

im not convinced a playoff run would mean much with the current guys getting the main focus, unless many of the guys are reupped and thats a non starter for me as a fan. i do think a playoff run woulda been more of the same that layden/thomas tried. mix in vets with a few young guys, and hope for the best rather than blow this bastage up and start over. we have seen that flick and it ends the same. note, im not suggesting you are saying this... i just really see very little upside to a playoff run with this teams makeup and playing time distro.

we both are in agreement on this... developing the youth really should have been our #1 priority coming into the season, playoffs be damned.

If we would have maximized on both drafts we could have accomplished great things in way of developing. The Rockets walked into the 2009 draft with no picks and walked out with 3 between 32-44. Spent about $6mil total on all of them, one of which has been in their rotation(Chase Buddinger) since day 1 of the season and they signed some Fly Fisherman Looking Free Agent rookie who has cracked the rotation ditto. Now the Rockets are a playoff team and have been almost all season in a tougher Conference and Division.... so you could argue why are these players getting any minutes on their team.... but since they are, they can boast saying they have been a key reason as to why they are a playoff team. Meanwhile we spent $3mil, plus his 2009-2010 salary, plus his lux tax dollars on his salary for being over the cap and we're having trouble dusting him off(D'AnToney Douglas) and the other who was dubbed BPA(Jordan Buffet Of Goodness Hill) in the draft @ pick 8 fighting to stay in the rotation over a no knees stiff and we aren't anywhere close to a playoff team.

^^^^^^

You couldn't create a more irrational environment as this even if you tried.

Juice wrote:

TMS wrote:

sidsanders wrote:if it was a borderline playoff team with the young guys (not just dg/wc) playing critical mins, i would agree it shows the team is on the rise. as it stands now, the push this team was making was with mainly a vet crew who a vast majority probably wont be back. any momentum gained by a playoff run goes out the window if lee/nate/jj/duhon/hughes/harrington/etc are gone. this isnt saying those guys are great, those are they guys who get tons o mins (as you know )... in some cases they wont be gone unless traded (jj/curry, pleeeeease get them outta here). 2 young guys (dg/wc) get mins and both still have improvements i think we all hope they can make.

im not convinced a playoff run would mean much with the current guys getting the main focus, unless many of the guys are reupped and thats a non starter for me as a fan. i do think a playoff run woulda been more of the same that layden/thomas tried. mix in vets with a few young guys, and hope for the best rather than blow this bastage up and start over. we have seen that flick and it ends the same. note, im not suggesting you are saying this... i just really see very little upside to a playoff run with this teams makeup and playing time distro.

we both are in agreement on this... developing the youth really should have been our #1 priority coming into the season, playoffs be damned.

If we would have maximized on both drafts we could have accomplished great things in way of developing. The Rockets walked into the 2009 draft with no picks and walked out with 3 between 32-44. Spent about $6mil total on all of them, one of which has been in their rotation(Chase Buddinger) since day 1 of the season and they signed some Fly Fisherman Looking Free Agent rookie who has cracked the rotation ditto. Now the Rockets are a playoff team and have been almost all season in a tougher Conference and Division.... so you could argue why are these players getting any minutes on their team.... but since they are, they can boast saying they have been a key reason as to why they are a playoff team. Meanwhile we spent $3mil, plus his 2009-2010 salary, plus his lux tax dollars on his salary for being over the cap and we're having trouble dusting him off(D'AnToney Douglas) and the other who was dubbed BPA(Jordan Buffet Of Goodness Hill) in the draft @ pick 8 fighting to stay in the rotation over a no knees stiff and we aren't anywhere close to a playoff team.

^^^^^^

You couldn't create a more irrational environment as this even if you tried.

nope, you can't write this stuff... the crap the Knicks' fanbase has had to put up with over the past decade is something i couldn't even think up even if i tried.

TMS wrote:

Juice wrote:

TMS wrote:

sidsanders wrote:if it was a borderline playoff team with the young guys (not just dg/wc) playing critical mins, i would agree it shows the team is on the rise. as it stands now, the push this team was making was with mainly a vet crew who a vast majority probably wont be back. any momentum gained by a playoff run goes out the window if lee/nate/jj/duhon/hughes/harrington/etc are gone. this isnt saying those guys are great, those are they guys who get tons o mins (as you know )... in some cases they wont be gone unless traded (jj/curry, pleeeeease get them outta here). 2 young guys (dg/wc) get mins and both still have improvements i think we all hope they can make.

im not convinced a playoff run would mean much with the current guys getting the main focus, unless many of the guys are reupped and thats a non starter for me as a fan. i do think a playoff run woulda been more of the same that layden/thomas tried. mix in vets with a few young guys, and hope for the best rather than blow this bastage up and start over. we have seen that flick and it ends the same. note, im not suggesting you are saying this... i just really see very little upside to a playoff run with this teams makeup and playing time distro.

we both are in agreement on this... developing the youth really should have been our #1 priority coming into the season, playoffs be damned.

If we would have maximized on both drafts we could have accomplished great things in way of developing. The Rockets walked into the 2009 draft with no picks and walked out with 3 between 32-44. Spent about $6mil total on all of them, one of which has been in their rotation(Chase Buddinger) since day 1 of the season and they signed some Fly Fisherman Looking Free Agent rookie who has cracked the rotation ditto. Now the Rockets are a playoff team and have been almost all season in a tougher Conference and Division.... so you could argue why are these players getting any minutes on their team.... but since they are, they can boast saying they have been a key reason as to why they are a playoff team. Meanwhile we spent $3mil, plus his 2009-2010 salary, plus his lux tax dollars on his salary for being over the cap and we're having trouble dusting him off(D'AnToney Douglas) and the other who was dubbed BPA(Jordan Buffet Of Goodness Hill) in the draft @ pick 8 fighting to stay in the rotation over a no knees stiff and we aren't anywhere close to a playoff team.

^^^^^^

You couldn't create a more irrational environment as this even if you tried.

nope, you can't write this stuff... the crap the Knicks' fanbase has had to put up with over the past decade is something i couldn't even think up even if i tried.

You know what's even more ridiculous? If we approached this season and was told our #8 pick and #29 pick would receive almost no minutes well past the halfway mark of the season while most fans felt we weren't too much better than a 30win team because remember it's Blasphemy to blame Pringles when it comes to the W-L column what do you think the fans would have said? Ok now add in the fact the fans feelings about the team was true we aren't too much better than a 30win team. Heads would have rolled. Ok now add in the fact one of our young players has to take a back seat to a comeback project not after a yr layoff but yrs of layoff and temporarily took a back seat to a fat lard who lost 30lbs of bacteria colon fat lard and couldn't stay on the court because of it?

Juice wrote:You know what's even more ridiculous? If we approached this season and was told our #8 pick and #29 pick would receive almost no minutes well past the halfway mark of the season while most fans felt we weren't too much better than a 30win team because remember it's Blasphemy to blame Pringles when it comes to the W-L column what do you think the fans would have said? Ok now add in the fact the fans feelings about the team was true we aren't too much better than a 30win team. Heads would have rolled. Ok now add in the fact one of our young players has to take a back seat to a comeback project not after a yr layoff but yrs of layoff and temporarily took a back seat to a fat lard who lost 30lbs of bacteria colon fat lard and couldn't stay on the court because of it?

u get used to it dude... i been posting here a few years now & the same pattern happens every year... anytime u question anything the GM or head coach does, you get labelled a hatter with an agenda... no matter how objective u try to be there's always going to be people who accuse you of having a personal bias against a certain coach or player if you dare to criticize in any way.

TMS wrote:nah, we don't need players like this seeing minutes in this rotation.

We've started to slide down the pack, players weren't playing aswell and now Hill has worked himself into the rotation. Hill either has to play better than the guys in front of him to get a significant bump in minutes or like i said the Knicks have to really be out of it.

TMS wrote:nah, we don't need players like this seeing minutes in this rotation.

He gave cole aldrich the business in that kansas game. I remember that game...look at the 1:58 mark. He left Aldrich in cement shoes....

BRIGGS wrote:I really believe MDA does not want to play two BIGS because he feels they will clog the middle[although we have no drivers anyway] and likes the flexibility of Gallinari and Jefferies.

if Donnie Walsh pulls off some major trade at the deadline involving D Lee & Fishlips, then i'll be able to see the method behind alot of MDA's madness this year... that would also explain the patience he showed for Duhon all year long since he was effectively feeding the ball to D Lee if nothing else... of course that's an unlikely scenario but who knows, Donnie's shocked me before by pulling off the Zach Randolph & Jamal trades.

tkf wrote:

TMS wrote:nah, we don't need players like this seeing minutes in this rotation.

He gave cole aldrich the business in that kansas game. I remember that game...look at the 1:58 mark. He left Aldrich in cement shoes....

yup, he made Aldrich look bad that game... this kid has explosive athleticism that Knick fans haven't really been able to see yet this season cuz we don't have a PG that can push the pace & dish off penetration.