CrushAlot wrote:Battier is a character guy with a solid all around game. He is the fifth option on a championship team. He is solid in all areas but his strengths are his character and his leadership abilities. He was a 10 and 5 guy before getting injured alot the past two seasons. The Rockets are having success with a team of young, unexperienced, mostly late first or second pick guys giving their all on both ends of the court in an attempt to win.

True, the Rockets are doing well with low draft pick talent, but I'd say that's more an indication of their excellent scouting and stat-keeping, then an indication that the talent they have is poor. Have you seen Aaron Brooks lately? The dude is a flat out stud.

knickstorrents wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Battier is a character guy with a solid all around game. He is the fifth option on a championship team. He is solid in all areas but his strengths are his character and his leadership abilities. He was a 10 and 5 guy before getting injured alot the past two seasons. The Rockets are having success with a team of young, unexperienced, mostly late first or second pick guys giving their all on both ends of the court in an attempt to win.

True, the Rockets are doing well with low draft pick talent, but I'd say that's more an indication of their excellent scouting and stat-keeping, then an indication that the talent they have is poor. Have you seen Aaron Brooks lately? The dude is a flat out stud.

The knicks had the money and still has players who perform like lower tier players who couldn't perform.

OldFan wrote:

Well...

"D'Antoni is so pathetic at this point."

"D'Antoni's personnel management abilities are pathetic."

No you didn't use the word horrible. But I don't think I was off base thinking you were implying that.

You also made a comparison to Skiles No BS approach. But Skiles NO BS approach is not leading to much better results.

But the main point is not what MDA does with the team of knuckleheads - nobody has managed to win with these guys - it's what he can do with an improved Roster. And it's up to Walsh to improve the roster.

Skiles team is garbage. Lets not even pretend that Milwaukee is good. They traded Mo Williams AND Richard Jefferson plus Redd is injured. I'm surprised they don't have the 2nd or 3rd worse record and they are definitely overachieving. The Knicks are underachieving plain and simple. I dont expect us to be a 500 team but the east is putrid and we are like a single game ahead of the Pacers and Philly. It really sickens me. We are weak at the PG position which why I feel we are losing so many games. Do you not notice the teams at the bottom of the East dont have PG's who can make plays and setup teams consistently? Do you think that is a coincidence?

MDA is just as much to blame because he plays the knuckleheads major minutes while other sit on the bench. You do know Darko, Hill, Landry, and Douglas are still on the team right? MDA is a stubborn coach with no worry of getting fired so he sticks to his lame line-ups. No one has the fear of the hammer dropping.

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Yep I know those guys are on the team. And you do know that Darko has quit on every team he ever played on that Landry is an undrafted Free agent. TD and Hill you can make a case for but I don't have a problem with guys earning minutes and I do have a problem with the idea that no matter who isn't playing we'd be better if they were. Second guessing is easy but it gets stupid after a while - how many players on this team have contributed to a winning NBA team under any coach? Who has succeeded with these guys?

And don't the Bucks have a #1 draft choice and the "Second Coming" Jennings (hey I think he's way over-rated but from this board he's on his way to becoming the next Chris Paul). The Knicks DO NOT HAVE A GOOD TEAM. I just looked at three Preseason polls they were picked 26th, 28th and 30th. They're now 23rd. That's actually better then was predicted. Where are all the experts or even non-Knick fans that thought this was a good team?

You're a discontented fan - you can go to any forum that follows any losing team and find dozens of guys making the same whining noises as you.

Great points....

OldFan wrote:Yep I know those guys are on the team. And you do know that Darko has quit on every team he ever played on that Landry is an undrafted Free agent. TD and Hill you can make a case for but I don't have a problem with guys earning minutes and I do have a problem with the idea that no matter who isn't playing we'd be better if they were. Second guessing is easy but it gets stupid after a while - how many players on this team have contributed to a winning NBA team under any coach? Who has succeeded with these guys?

And don't the Bucks have a #1 draft choice and the "Second Coming" Jennings (hey I think he's way over-rated but from this board he's on his way to becoming the next Chris Paul). The Knicks DO NOT HAVE A GOOD TEAM. I just looked at three Preseason polls they were picked 26th, 28th and 30th. They're now 23rd. That's actually better then was predicted. Where are all the experts or even non-Knick fans that thought this was a good team?

You're a discontented fan - you can go to any forum that follows any losing team and find dozens of guys making the same whining noises as you.

- Darko while not being the best is a solid backup big man. He played well in Pre-season too. Im glad he doesnt love to shoot jumpers. We all know if you cannot shoot D'Antoni will not play you.

- I dont have an issue with guys earning minutes but I do have an issue with D'Antoni playing favorites and playing Duhon regardless of whether he sucks or not. That is not conducive to having a team atmosphere where guys are held accountable.

- I hate when guys say the players we have haven't contributed to winning. The same crap was said about Crawful and Randolph and they are both contributing to winning teams and Randolph is an all star.

- Jennings isnt the 2nd coming but he is likely going to be a very good PG and PG's come at a premium in this league.

- While I didnt think we'd be good in the pre-season I had to change that idea because the East is putrid. Philly and Washington have imploded and Miami is falling like a rock. The Bucks are an injury to Jennings or Bogut away from being irrelevant too. We should be in playoff contention especially with the way Lee eats up guys nightly.

AnubisADL wrote:

OldFan wrote:Yep I know those guys are on the team. And you do know that Darko has quit on every team he ever played on that Landry is an undrafted Free agent. TD and Hill you can make a case for but I don't have a problem with guys earning minutes and I do have a problem with the idea that no matter who isn't playing we'd be better if they were. Second guessing is easy but it gets stupid after a while - how many players on this team have contributed to a winning NBA team under any coach? Who has succeeded with these guys?

And don't the Bucks have a #1 draft choice and the "Second Coming" Jennings (hey I think he's way over-rated but from this board he's on his way to becoming the next Chris Paul). The Knicks DO NOT HAVE A GOOD TEAM. I just looked at three Preseason polls they were picked 26th, 28th and 30th. They're now 23rd. That's actually better then was predicted. Where are all the experts or even non-Knick fans that thought this was a good team?

You're a discontented fan - you can go to any forum that follows any losing team and find dozens of guys making the same whining noises as you.

- Darko while not being the best is a solid backup big man. He played well in Pre-season too. Im glad he doesnt love to shoot jumpers. We all know if you cannot shoot D'Antoni will not play you.

- I dont have an issue with guys earning minutes but I do have an issue with D'Antoni playing favorites and playing Duhon regardless of whether he sucks or not. That is not conducive to having a team atmosphere where guys are held accountable.

- I hate when guys say the players we have haven't contributed to winning. The same crap was said about Crawful and Randolph and they are both contributing to winning teams and Randolph is an all star.

- Jennings isnt the 2nd coming but he is likely going to be a very good PG and PG's come at a premium in this league.

- While I didnt think we'd be good in the pre-season I had to change that idea because the East is putrid. Philly and Washington have imploded and Miami is falling like a rock. The Bucks are an injury to Jennings or Bogut away from being irrelevant too. We should be in playoff contention especially with the way Lee eats up guys nightly.

The team isn't playing with effort and you want to turn to DARKO? Enough said - thanks for the conversation.

OldFan wrote:The team isn't playing with effort and you want to turn to DARKO? Enough said - thanks for the conversation.

You arent asking the right questions. Why are we playing with no effort?

D'Antoni's foolishness is coming back to bite him because he is losing the team. Seems the players have already tuned him out.

nixluva wrote:This is what's killing me. If you're point is that this team had no chance to win so why not play the kids then so be it but you can't say that the chances of winning would increase if we had played the kids more or just used Darko more!!! Let's be real. Once Duhon started on a slump we were in trouble. The number one spot DW was looking to find help was PG, which tells you we couldn't afford a bad Duhon this year. Everywhere else at least you had an option except at PG.

Remember at the start MDA was still trying to run his offense but he had to give up and slow it down. If DW had been able to find PG help maybe things would've gone better. Things had to be perfect for us to do well. They weren't even decent. Still the improvement of Lee, Gallo & Chan was good to see. We'll likely get a chance to see more of Hill and maybe TD too. It was a miracle that we even got back in the race after 3-14! All I want is to finish strong and see the kids play more.

This is D'Antoni's 2nd year with the same guys. Come on. SSOL didnt work last year so why would it work this year? We got KILLED last year due to David Lee playing center which is why we traded for Darko in the first place. So what exactly did D'Antoni expect to happen this year?

I guess this is what happens when a coach knows he isn't going to be held accountable for the play of his team until 2010.