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nixluva
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2/1/2010  3:56 PM
The good thing is that no permanent damage has been done ie no long term contract given to someone that doesn't deserve it! That's a major plus for a franchise known to panic and make moves like that when a season starts to go bad. We can all see that things have come undone lately, but after he 3-14 start we needed a near perfect rest of the season to overcome that. It was a longshot, but while there was still a chance they had to try.

MDA can be bashed for this or that, but really do any of us really think we have a chance to succeed if Duhon didn't have a good year? He was our only actual PG. All the other guys are combo guards with weak skills running a team. It was always imperative that Duhon play well or we were sunk. I thought he'd be inspired to come in and play well and instead he slumped early and took the team with him. With a couple of young guys like Gallo and Chan still trying to find themselves we really needed strong leadership from Duhon. I know it seems like I'm bashing the guy hard, but it's all true and everyone knew it. That's why they tried to find a cheap alternative or at least a backup for the PG spot. DW couldn't or wouldn't get it done with the guys who were available, so it was all on Duhon.

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2/1/2010  4:35 PM
I'll judge D'Antoni based on next year. If all our wildest dreams come true, and Lebron is here, then Mike needs to deliver. If he doesn't, he'll be fired in time.

If our nightmares come true, and this plan doesn't amount to more than a mid-pack playoff team with no superstar headlining, he'll be fired in a few years.

And if they win it all next year with Lebron, a lot of people will say Mike is a god, while some will say that he's a lucky s.o.b..

This year watching the Knicks is like observing a bunch of people with the flu while they wait to see a doctor. It's hard to judge how they'll look when they're healed, and it's easy to note that they currently look like crap.

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2/1/2010  4:44 PM
What Hell would you rather Walsh Do?! For crying out loud, we are REBUILDING! We are not a good team, there fore we are going to have games where we look really bad and games when we look good.....but ultimatley, we are who we are.....a 25-30 win team. Stop being overanalytical and microanalyzing every single game we play. We will finally have cap space this summer, somehting I never could have imagined when Isiah was at the helm and still we complain. Threads like these are annoying!
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2/1/2010  4:56 PM
MS wrote:I'm actually very pissed from what I have been seeing. There is this notion that you earn your way back into the rotation. But if you are one of Mike's favorites you can be terrible for long stretches and get a pass.

Bender sucks. This guy had two good games. He should never get off the bench. He can't shoot, move or impact the game. I am not a huge Larry Hughes fan but he should be up before that kid.

Duhon I just can't stand. I realize he helps the offense flow, but he is such a liability out there. Douglas was outplaying him and then was benched.

Find a rotation and stick to it.

I get a kick out of the "Find a rotation and stick to it." I have no idea if you're one of them or not but when MDA sticks with a rotation then people complain about who he isn't playing. The fact is the team is losing and no matter what MDA did people would complain.

Everyone has idea's on how to improve the team - but everyone has different ideas and I trust that MDA's ideas are better then the ones expresses on this forum. That someone can complain about a coach on a sports forum is what it's all about but I think it's funny that everyone thinks coaching is so easy and they could do better.

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2/1/2010  5:32 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/1/2010  5:32 PM
jimimou wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:
Moonangie wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:It's not the losing that bothers me so much - it's the lack of style displayed while doing so. Isiah Thomas had a way of screwing things up, but doing so with panache. He thereby provided us with hours and hours of entertainment. These guys are just dull.

The only thing I can think of that might make the season a little more interesting would be if Donnie were to fire Mike D'Antoni. This should be done in the most humiliating way possible - like you could have three or four security guards walk up to him on the sidelines in the middle of a game, and "escort" him from the building. That would be awesome.

That is about the stupidest thing I have ever seen on this forum. Just totally lame and uncalled for.

Thanks.

keep your head up jones - btw - did you check out those stock picks i sent you yet?

I certainly did. I broke out of my crying jag over Moonangie's criticism just long enough to buy 1,000 shares of STFU @ 54. Turned around and sold them for 56, netting a cool 1980.10 on the day.

Thanks man!

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2/1/2010  5:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/1/2010  5:50 PM
the only problems i have with Donnie is that he should have traded Nate last year cuz i didn't think he'd ever work out with MDA coaching him... also haven't liked useless signings like Roberson & Bender, they added nothing to the team... would much rather have taken a flyer on a kid like PEJ if for nothing else than to have a kid that Knick fans could root for even in garbage minutes... also think signing AI was a no brainer this year, but he went w/his sentimental pick & gave Bender a shot... whatever.

i would have rather traded Jamal & Zach for scrub expirings & picks if i could but i'm not gonna kill him for the moves he made, the #1 thing was to get those contracts off our books & he did that.

right now Donnie gets an INC cuz it all depends on what happens this offseason.

MDA hasn't overly impressed me at all but the roster is still severely flawed & we have way too many 1 dimensional guys, so i'll give him a pass for now.

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2/1/2010  6:10 PM
TMS wrote:the only problems i have with Donnie is that he should have traded Nate last year cuz i didn't think he'd ever work out with MDA coaching him... also haven't liked useless signings like Roberson & Bender, they added nothing to the team... would much rather have taken a flyer on a kid like PEJ if for nothing else than to have a kid that Knick fans could root for even in garbage minutes... also think signing AI was a no brainer this year, but he went w/his sentimental pick & gave Bender a shot... whatever.

i would have rather traded Jamal & Zach for scrub expirings & picks if i could but i'm not gonna kill him for the moves he made, the #1 thing was to get those contracts off our books & he did that.

right now Donnie gets an INC cuz it all depends on what happens this offseason.

MDA hasn't overly impressed me at all but the roster is still severely flawed & we have way too many 1 dimensional guys, so i'll give him a pass for now.

This is all very fair. I think DW simply didn't want to take a chance on anything that seemed risky. I don't know how close DW was to actually being able to trade Nate, but I would have no problem if he could've gotten a useful PG in here. We really should remember that DW was close to doing something about the PG issue when the league started sending out fearful messages about the 2010 Cap!!! That is the biggest reason he didn't pull the trigger on Sessions IMO. Once the really low estimates came out he shut down all the negotiations.

MDA was stuck with a bad hand and I think he's the kind of coach that is more of a front runner roster wise. You give him some players and I think he'll get a lot more than he should out of them. His record indicates that players tend to peak under him, but they at least have to have the right kind of BB skills for that to happen. We have too many one way, low BB IQ guys and that hurts. He was brought in for the 2010 team and beyond.

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2/1/2010  6:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/1/2010  6:36 PM
Moonangie wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:What would you suggest?


changing the channel until october 2010.

What channel? Oh, you mean you think I actually watch these games?

If you aren't watching, then you have no business making posts here.

You're right. But I'll keep on doing so anyway.

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2/1/2010  6:35 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/1/2010  6:35 PM
nixluva wrote:
TMS wrote:the only problems i have with Donnie is that he should have traded Nate last year cuz i didn't think he'd ever work out with MDA coaching him... also haven't liked useless signings like Roberson & Bender, they added nothing to the team... would much rather have taken a flyer on a kid like PEJ if for nothing else than to have a kid that Knick fans could root for even in garbage minutes... also think signing AI was a no brainer this year, but he went w/his sentimental pick & gave Bender a shot... whatever.

i would have rather traded Jamal & Zach for scrub expirings & picks if i could but i'm not gonna kill him for the moves he made, the #1 thing was to get those contracts off our books & he did that.

right now Donnie gets an INC cuz it all depends on what happens this offseason.

MDA hasn't overly impressed me at all but the roster is still severely flawed & we have way too many 1 dimensional guys, so i'll give him a pass for now.

This is all very fair. I think DW simply didn't want to take a chance on anything that seemed risky. I don't know how close DW was to actually being able to trade Nate, but I would have no problem if he could've gotten a useful PG in here. We really should remember that DW was close to doing something about the PG issue when the league started sending out fearful messages about the 2010 Cap!!! That is the biggest reason he didn't pull the trigger on Sessions IMO. Once the really low estimates came out he shut down all the negotiations.

MDA was stuck with a bad hand and I think he's the kind of coach that is more of a front runner roster wise. You give him some players and I think he'll get a lot more than he should out of them. His record indicates that players tend to peak under him, but they at least have to have the right kind of BB skills for that to happen. We have too many one way, low BB IQ guys and that hurts. He was brought in for the 2010 team and beyond.

i'm fine w/us passing on guys like Sessions, Tinsley, Arroyo, White Chocolate or whoever else they were talking about this offseason... & AI would have been nice but whatever, if Toney Douglas were getting burn i wouldn't have a problem with that either... this season was a throw away for me in every aspect other than developing our young guys... that's why it upsets me when i don't see our rooks getting burn... i'm giving MDA til the trade deadline to keep playing guys like Jeffries for 35+ a night & then i really hope to see some changes in the rotation.

After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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2/1/2010  6:38 PM
BasketballJones wrote:
Moonangie wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:What would you suggest?


changing the channel until october 2010.

What channel? Oh, you mean you think I actually watch these games?

If you aren't watching, then you have no business making posts here.

You're right. But I'll keep on doing so anyway.

Unless Martin & Andrew ban me. Can I be banned for not watching games?

https:// It's not so hard.
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2/1/2010  6:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/1/2010  6:59 PM
Hey!!! The Send Closk is ticking... and we have not too much sand left before turning it around and start anew.
I am giving Mike and Donny all credits for MAKING CLEAR what we have. We know with 100% clarity who sucks on this team and who can be a part of the future.
It's not much but we know what we have.
Nice job Mike and Donny. Keep it up and see you next year!!!
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2/1/2010  7:30 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/1/2010  7:55 PM
Most average coaches could have achieved the result of 32-50 and follow it up with 18-29. What makes our coach ELITE? How has he shown his separation from the rest of the pack...

Adelman(wins with no superstar or even 2nd tier player on his team plus overcame major injuries)
McMillan(nuff said about their season this year)
Jeff Bower(5-4 without Chris Paul)
Scott Skiles(some injuries to contend with but his team plays hard all the time, they might have a 2nd tier player on their team, otherwise a team full of Bums and an over saturated rookie)

You could throw in Del Negro, Larry Brown, Lionel Hollins who have managed to get their teams to perform at a very high level for longer stretches and better than what people expected of them and their teams.

It's not about wins and losses it's about how we look as a team game-to-game whether we win or lose. We should be a better team than last yr period.

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2/1/2010  7:48 PM
BasketballJones wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:
Moonangie wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:What would you suggest?


changing the channel until october 2010.

What channel? Oh, you mean you think I actually watch these games?

If you aren't watching, then you have no business making posts here.

You're right. But I'll keep on doing so anyway.

Unless Martin & Andrew ban me. Can I be banned for not watching games?

No. Otherwise dj couldn't post here no more. :)

But you should be banned for replying to yourself on the closk.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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2/1/2010  7:49 PM
kam77 wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:
Moonangie wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:What would you suggest?


changing the channel until october 2010.

What channel? Oh, you mean you think I actually watch these games?

If you aren't watching, then you have no business making posts here.

You're right. But I'll keep on doing so anyway.

Unless Martin & Andrew ban me. Can I be banned for not watching games?

No. Otherwise dj couldn't post here no more. :)

But you should be banned for replying to yourself on the closk.

That's bush league

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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2/1/2010  7:50 PM
kam77 wrote:
kam77 wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:
Moonangie wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:What would you suggest?


changing the channel until october 2010.

What channel? Oh, you mean you think I actually watch these games?

If you aren't watching, then you have no business making posts here.

You're right. But I'll keep on doing so anyway.

Unless Martin & Andrew ban me. Can I be banned for not watching games?

No. Otherwise dj couldn't post here no more. :)

But you should be banned for replying to yourself on the closk.

That's bush league

+1

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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2/1/2010  8:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/1/2010  8:45 PM
Nalod wrote:Jennings has not done shyt yet! He had a few really good weeks then has fallen a bit as a nice rookie. Not much more. Maybe he is ROY on stats alone but there is no miricle n Milwaukee. He is Kenny Anderson having a nice rookie campaign. Im not freaking over him.

And if Hill pans out we'll long forget him.

Jwil was never coming here an Kidd was just being smart to creat a market for himself with alternatives.

Im ok with Hill and TD learning. I'd like to see them get minutes but they be quality minutes and contribute. Not just throw them out there and get hammered.

Donnie and Mike are quality guys cleaning up a big mess.

Brandon Jennings plays for a demanding coach and the coach loves him. Scott Skiles played the position himself and has the understanding of how a pg should run a team. Any immature signs Jennings showed on draft day Skiles looked beyond that because he understands PG's and knew how to communicate with him (something danphoney has a hard time doing). Mike Danphoney looks for docile players at that position for some reason. Brandon Jennings scoring 55 points in a reg season NBA game is not a fluke. Even if he never scores 30 points again this season in a game. What it showed is THIS GUY HAS A PASSION TO WILL HIS TEAM TO A VICTORY ! That's a quality sign of a leader at the pg position and we are all witnesses that we need a leader.

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2/1/2010  9:19 PM
playa2 wrote:
Nalod wrote:Jennings has not done shyt yet! He had a few really good weeks then has fallen a bit as a nice rookie. Not much more. Maybe he is ROY on stats alone but there is no miricle n Milwaukee. He is Kenny Anderson having a nice rookie campaign. Im not freaking over him.

And if Hill pans out we'll long forget him.

Jwil was never coming here an Kidd was just being smart to creat a market for himself with alternatives.

Im ok with Hill and TD learning. I'd like to see them get minutes but they be quality minutes and contribute. Not just throw them out there and get hammered.

Donnie and Mike are quality guys cleaning up a big mess.

Brandon Jennings plays for a demanding coach and the coach loves him. Scott Skiles played the position himself and has the understanding of how a pg should run a team. Any immature signs Jennings showed on draft day Skiles looked beyond that because he understands PG's and knew how to communicate with him (something danphoney has a hard time doing). Mike Danphoney looks for docile players at that position for some reason. Brandon Jennings scoring 55 points in a reg season NBA game is not a fluke. Even if he never scores 30 points again this season in a game. What it showed is THIS GUY HAS A PASSION TO WILL HIS TEAM TO A VICTORY ! That's a quality sign of a leader at the pg position and we are all witnesses that we need a leader.

where the heck do you even get a whiff of that?

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2/1/2010  9:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/1/2010  9:35 PM
kam77 wrote:Do i believe in Donnie and Mike? Well i sure as **** don't believe in the tooth fairy but i'm pretty sure these guys do exist.

Do you believe in Superman?

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2/1/2010  9:40 PM
martin wrote:
playa2 wrote:
Nalod wrote:Jennings has not done shyt yet! He had a few really good weeks then has fallen a bit as a nice rookie. Not much more. Maybe he is ROY on stats alone but there is no miricle n Milwaukee. He is Kenny Anderson having a nice rookie campaign. Im not freaking over him.

And if Hill pans out we'll long forget him.

Jwil was never coming here an Kidd was just being smart to creat a market for himself with alternatives.

Im ok with Hill and TD learning. I'd like to see them get minutes but they be quality minutes and contribute. Not just throw them out there and get hammered.

Donnie and Mike are quality guys cleaning up a big mess.

Brandon Jennings plays for a demanding coach and the coach loves him. Scott Skiles played the position himself and has the understanding of how a pg should run a team. Any immature signs Jennings showed on draft day Skiles looked beyond that because he understands PG's and knew how to communicate with him (something danphoney has a hard time doing). Mike Danphoney looks for docile players at that position for some reason. Brandon Jennings scoring 55 points in a reg season NBA game is not a fluke. Even if he never scores 30 points again this season in a game. What it showed is THIS GUY HAS A PASSION TO WILL HIS TEAM TO A VICTORY ! That's a quality sign of a leader at the pg position and we are all witnesses that we need a leader.

where the heck do you even get a whiff of that?

Playa, Jennings was not an MDA decision IMO. MDA wanted Sessions and didn't get him. DW kept Nate over MDA's wishes, so let's kill this idea that somehow MDA get's everything he wants from DW.

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2/1/2010  9:47 PM
BasketballJones wrote:
jimimou wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:
Moonangie wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:It's not the losing that bothers me so much - it's the lack of style displayed while doing so. Isiah Thomas had a way of screwing things up, but doing so with panache. He thereby provided us with hours and hours of entertainment. These guys are just dull.

The only thing I can think of that might make the season a little more interesting would be if Donnie were to fire Mike D'Antoni. This should be done in the most humiliating way possible - like you could have three or four security guards walk up to him on the sidelines in the middle of a game, and "escort" him from the building. That would be awesome.

That is about the stupidest thing I have ever seen on this forum. Just totally lame and uncalled for.

Thanks.

keep your head up jones - btw - did you check out those stock picks i sent you yet?

I certainly did. I broke out of my crying jag over Moonangie's criticism just long enough to buy 1,000 shares of STFU @ 54. Turned around and sold them for 56, netting a cool 1980.10 on the day.

Thanks man!

That was funny. I appreciate a good sense of humor.

Still, escort him from the building? He's doing his job with a ragtag bunch of rentals and a few core guys. Once he gets talent then let's judge him.

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