Paladin55 wrote:I am just looking at what he could have had in the past draft when I am critical. We don't know what he will end up with because of the Lawson trade, but we do know that there were a number of players he could have taken who would have made his team better this year.

I've always felt that he "insulted" Rubio by picking Flynn up at #5, and set the wheels in motion that would keep Ricky in Spain. What kind of contact did he have with Rubio or his agent about Rubio playing in Minny BEFORE the draft??

There were a number of guys he could have taken. He had picks 5, 6, 18, 28, 45, and 47 in the draft and all he ends up with on the court this year are Flynn and Ellington? Did he do a thorough evaluation of Jefferson's "recovery" prior to the draft? Did he think that the Jefferson/Love combo would be able to compete with the other other big men in the West? Was he satisfied with what he had at SG and SF? Ultimately, he ended up with an undersized PG and an undersized SG to go with a gimpy Jefferson and the undersized Love.

When UK did its mock draft prior to the actual draft, why do you think Briggs took Minnesota? And he wanted them before they traded for Washington's pick. He was in love with who they could pick up in the slots they originally had.

And why do you have to believe that he is creating a "market for his asset?" Maybe he is just a fool who really believed that Rubio and Flynn could play in the same backcourt- which is what he said after the draft- and is now trying to cover his ass. He can say whatever he wants to the public- but who really knows the reasons for what he did?

To me this was an underrated draft, and Minny had the best set of picks to really take advantage and pick up some nice players.

Kahn did not do a good job for his team, IMO, no matter how you look at the situation.

well put.. kahn tried to get cute and really screwed up... as I said, looking at the slots he had to pick, there was no risk of taking a beasley or a rose and they not living up to the billing. he had the 3rd pick with mayo sitting right there.. I mean that is great value for mayo...

this past draft. had he not even done much research and followed the consensus top picks available of Hill, jennings, derozan,curry, he would have still been fine.. Does anyone not think picking Hill and curry would have been a great draft for him? just my opinion..

nyk4ever wrote:
I absolutely disagree with you about Kevin Love. His ceiling is much higher than a Brad Miller and their games are totally different. Miller is for the most part an outside jump-shooting big man and Kevin Love is a guy that gets dirty in the paint, has range out to the 3pt line and is an offensive-rebounding machine. I'm also willing to bet that Brad Miller has never even come close to averaging the 12rpg that Love is averaging in only his second season.

I honestly can't even think of a comparison for Love.. there have been very few big men who have the ability to knock down the jumper, play in the post, rebound and pass the way that Love can.

Paladin55 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:
I absolutely disagree with you about Kevin Love. His ceiling is much higher than a Brad Miller and their games are totally different. Miller is for the most part an outside jump-shooting big man and Kevin Love is a guy that gets dirty in the paint, has range out to the 3pt line and is an offensive-rebounding machine. I'm also willing to bet that Brad Miller has never even come close to averaging the 12rpg that Love is averaging in only his second season.

I honestly can't even think of a comparison for Love.. there have been very few big men who have the ability to knock down the jumper, play in the post, rebound and pass the way that Love can.

Would you rather have him or B. Lopez on your team if you are Minny?

me? i'm taking kevin love 7 days a week. i thought that before the draft and i still think that. love's combination of abilities is extremely rare for a big man.

sebstar wrote:

Nalod wrote:Talk about delusional fan base. We are calling this guy out and their fans like we are much different!

The guy is creating a market for his asset. Imagine you and your owner ()glen taylor) are all on the same page to rebuild with young assets for both developement and trade potential and your having to tap dance in the press about Rubio. THey did a salary dump with Wash to get the draft pick and don't care if Rubio is here or not. In fact, I'd say they they are simply hoping he gets better and better and his demand builds.

Who cares what he says or does around here anyway. SOme of you sound like your all mad that he screwed up the the draft for us and he is a punk. THe guy is following his owners instructions and not going to get cornered into a trade just cuz the press or some fans don't like it.

SO a few idiot fans don't watch Wilson much and call him a scrub? Big deal!

Kahn and walsh might be having real good conversations but the guy is not gonna say a damn thing to the press. Whats he gonna say?

He can do whatever the hell he wants and continue to sink the fortunes of the Minnesota franchise. Thats his business. But when he trashes our roster, I think its fair to say that Knick fans are going to have a rebuttal. Especially considering that mess of a squad he's putting on the court on a nightly basis.

I think the 30 point ass-whupping we just laid on his precious team was rebuttal enough.

WindsorPl wrote:

umynot wrote:Send us Rubio and take Chandler and TD thats more then fair!!

umynot wrote:Give him Chandler TD and a pick Or whatever they want just get us RUBIO

That's exactly what Kahn wants, the Knicks bidding against themselves or a "mystery" team.
At this point, Kahn assumes the risk and the pressure.
Rubio is in Spain, with no return to Minny planned. Who loses? The 5th pick is a mirage right now. There is no way he is getting equal value.
Wilson + Darko (Or Mobley's contract) + some cash for Rubio's draft rights and Cardinal (Saves them 1M+ this year).
The Knicks are giving away a guy who can produce now with a cheap contract, for somebody who will not even be here next year, if ever and he is a poor shooter.
Kahn is bluffing, he is acting like he has all the cards. Sorry, the A is in Spain for 2 years.

If I can go into the draft and swap him out for either a lead guard or 6-11 C I would do it--kind of tough to do because you are asking a team to wait on Rubio atleast one more year after they scked.
If I can get two high draft picks[one a 6-11 C+{as in cousins Whiteside or IF Monroe measures close to 6-11] but I want the first two guys] and another lead guards in Wall or Turner I can balance off a good part of the roster and move Love to a quality 6th man position. Over the max to J Johnson because no one else will Take either Elias Harris 1 or Damion Jones 2 16th[charlotte] and Jerome Jordan 17th[utah]

Line up

C Cousins 6-11 260
F Jefferson 6-8 260
F Brewer 6-9 200
G Johnson 6-7 230
G Wall 6-4 195
F Love 6-9 260
F Gomes 6-8 250
F/G D Jones 6-7 230
G Flynn 5-11 180
C Jordan 7-0 250

Done:)or something like that.

WindsorPl wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:
If I can go into the draft and swap him out for either a lead guard or 6-11 C I would do it--kind of tough to do because you are asking a team to wait on Rubio atleast one more year after they scked.
If I can get two high draft picks[one a 6-11 C+{as in cousins Whiteside or IF Monroe measures close to 6-11] but I want the first two guys] and another lead guards in Wall or Turner I can balance off a good part of the roster and move Love to a quality 6th man position. Over the max to J Johnson because no one else will Take either Elias Harris 1 or Damion Jones 2 16th[charlotte] and Jerome Jordan 17th[utah]

Line up

C Cousins 6-11 260
F Jefferson 6-8 260
F Brewer 6-9 200
G Johnson 6-7 230
G Wall 6-4 195
F Love 6-9 260
F Gomes 6-8 250
F/G D Jones 6-7 230
G Flynn 5-11 180
C Jordan 7-0 250

Done:)or something like that.

Briggs, name the team that will give up a high draft pick this year for begging Rubio to come in 2 years.
Besides, they have 3 first round picks already, top 4, 13th and 19th.

The only one that would make sense, because, as you said, they don't currently suck and can afford to take a risk is the Jazz with the Knicks pick (And DX has Cousins in this slot, coincidence?). But they already have a franchise pg.

If the Nets don't get pick 1--maybe they would want Rubio? We wont know--we don't know the value right now. Im assuming he's getting better from some of the reports. If he is truly a franchise PG--yet I didnt feel right about him in Minnesota and could trade him for a 2-6 for the right player--maybe it can be done. Maybe Im wrong but this would be my blueprint 2 7 footers and a put together athletic wing who can also rebound and try to trade Rubio for a lead guard--preferably land 1 and take wall and trade rubio to a team that needs a PG and has a C