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Should we have kept Crawford and Zack and made the playoffs for a couple of years?? and then what might be the teams progress.
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sebstar
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1/26/2010  12:33 PM
bitty41 wrote:It's only a matter of time before Lee, Gallo, and Chandler fall into the 7th circle of hate among Knick fans.

Chandler already did. Cats around here were wiling to give him up for a bag of skittles after his slow start...

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1/26/2010  12:33 PM
nyk4ever wrote:
bitty41 wrote:Memphis won 24 games last season with OJ Mayo, Marc Gasol, and Rudy Gay. To argue that Zach (the team's leader) isn't a huge part of their turnaround is kind of absurd. Reading some of the comments on this thread is why I'm happy Zach isn't in NY because this era of Knick fans will never appreciate someone who isn't Lebron or Kobe.

im glad he's not a knick anymore either so we don't have to listen to your orgasms about him

id never turn away from hearing a woman's orgasm....
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1/26/2010  12:44 PM
so why did this team not respond when these guys were here?

Nobody disputes their talent.

They are a piece of a good team. Not the focal points.

Thats my point.
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1/26/2010  12:44 PM
im glad he's not a knick anymore either so we don't have to listen to your orgasms about him

And you know nothing about women's orgasm so it all works out perfectly.
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1/26/2010  12:47 PM
nyk4ever wrote:
bitty41 wrote:Memphis won 24 games last season with OJ Mayo, Marc Gasol, and Rudy Gay. To argue that Zach (the team's leader) isn't a huge part of their turnaround is kind of absurd. Reading some of the comments on this thread is why I'm happy Zach isn't in NY because this era of Knick fans will never appreciate someone who isn't Lebron or Kobe.

im glad he's not a knick anymore either so we don't have to listen to your orgasms about him

Wow nyk4ever, I thought you were an allright dude. Talking like that to a cool lady like biddy is wrong my man.

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1/26/2010  12:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/26/2010  12:52 PM
playa2 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
bitty41 wrote:Memphis won 24 games last season with OJ Mayo, Marc Gasol, and Rudy Gay. To argue that Zach (the team's leader) isn't a huge part of their turnaround is kind of absurd. Reading some of the comments on this thread is why I'm happy Zach isn't in NY because this era of Knick fans will never appreciate someone who isn't Lebron or Kobe.

im glad he's not a knick anymore either so we don't have to listen to your orgasms about him

Wow nyk4ever, I thought you were an allright dude. Talking like that to a cool lady like biddy is wrong my man.

Yes let's all put our kid gloves on for certain forum members.

please.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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1/26/2010  12:52 PM
playa2 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
bitty41 wrote:Memphis won 24 games last season with OJ Mayo, Marc Gasol, and Rudy Gay. To argue that Zach (the team's leader) isn't a huge part of their turnaround is kind of absurd. Reading some of the comments on this thread is why I'm happy Zach isn't in NY because this era of Knick fans will never appreciate someone who isn't Lebron or Kobe.

im glad he's not a knick anymore either so we don't have to listen to your orgasms about him

Wow nyk4ever, I thought you were an allright dude. Talking like that to a cool lady like biddy is wrong my man.

lets not get too pious or self-righteous, he was just playin'

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1/26/2010  12:53 PM
lol thanks kam, seb. damn it was a joke, bitty knows that. she hates me but i still mess with her
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1/26/2010  1:06 PM
What is this garbage? Zach Randolph is so great all of a sudden?

Let me call your attention to something called reality, or facts if you will:

Memphis is 24-19, with a 55% win percentage. That's nothing incredible nor awesome and there is a lot of season left. They're not 40-5, man.

Second, Zach Randolph has so many frickin' awful seasons as leader under his belt that it's comical to take this 24-19 record and say "oh, you're redeemed, you're a winner now"

give me a break. look at Portland's records from his years there and then the Knicks and then the Clippers and then tell me honestly that this 24-19 stretch redeems him. Give break to me, get heck out of town, good night.

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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1/26/2010  1:18 PM
orangeblobman wrote:What is this garbage? Zach Randolph is so great all of a sudden?

Let me call your attention to something called reality, or facts if you will:

Memphis is 24-19, with a 55% win percentage. That's nothing incredible nor awesome and there is a lot of season left. They're not 40-5, man.

Second, Zach Randolph has so many frickin' awful seasons as leader under his belt that it's comical to take this 24-19 record and say "oh, you're redeemed, you're a winner now"

give me a break. look at Portland's records from his years there and then the Knicks and then the Clippers and then tell me honestly that this 24-19 stretch redeems him. Give break to me, get heck out of town, good night.

I dont see anybody engaging in hyperbole and proclaiming him a "winner" or "incredible" ...just disputing his loser tag

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1/26/2010  1:22 PM
nyk4ever,

I know you were messing with me I didn't personally.

Kam,

Playa from a different generation of men so I appreciate his sentiment even though it wasn't necessary.
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1/26/2010  1:25 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/26/2010  1:26 PM
Nalod wrote:so why did this team not respond when these guys were here?

answer: isiah

zach and crawford were playing well for d'antoni and the team was responding before they were shipped out.

edit: i crapped on them as much as anybody but once i jumped ship to toronto, i have a different perspective on it.
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1/26/2010  1:26 PM
bitty41 wrote:this era of Knick fans will never appreciate someone who isn't Lebron or Kobe.

knicks fans today are waiting for their government bailout by stern in the form of lebron.
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1/26/2010  1:30 PM
If Lebron doesn't come to NY I will feel very sorry for the player they sign in his place
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1/26/2010  1:31 PM
if lebron doesnt come to ny bitty, they may disolve the franchise
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1/26/2010  1:32 PM
bitty41 wrote:If Lebron doesn't come to NY I will feel very sorry for the player they sign in his place

Whoever does sign will have 12-14 million reasons a year for self-esteem purposes

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1/26/2010  1:36 PM
I really have nothing against either of these guys and am not surprised that they can be successful in the right situation. Maybe NY could have been a good situation for them, but I can understand why they were dealt. We are talking about 10 years of futility in implementing the "trade for talented but expensive & incomplete/troubled players with long contracts" philosophy. I really can't blame management for wanting to try something different.

As to Lebron - if we can get him, that would be awesome, but I don't think that's the only positive scenario that might result from increased monetary flexibility.

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1/26/2010  1:36 PM
Whoever does sign will have 12-14 million reasons a year for self-esteem purposes

Is that reason enough to play in the very critical NY spotlight especially when you could easily get that money elsewhere.
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1/26/2010  1:39 PM
It's insane how much is riding on a player whose not even with the Knicks franchise. You re-working your entire roster for a chance at one player who hasn't yet to win a NBA title is just mind-boggling to me.
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1/26/2010  1:39 PM
sebstar wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:What is this garbage? Zach Randolph is so great all of a sudden?

Let me call your attention to something called reality, or facts if you will:

Memphis is 24-19, with a 55% win percentage. That's nothing incredible nor awesome and there is a lot of season left. They're not 40-5, man.

Second, Zach Randolph has so many frickin' awful seasons as leader under his belt that it's comical to take this 24-19 record and say "oh, you're redeemed, you're a winner now"

give me a break. look at Portland's records from his years there and then the Knicks and then the Clippers and then tell me honestly that this 24-19 stretch redeems him. Give break to me, get heck out of town, good night.

I dont see anybody engaging in hyperbole and proclaiming him a "winner" or "incredible" ...just disputing his loser tag

Maybe not incredible, but a winner? What is the opposite of a loser? If he's not a loser, he's a winner, right? He's not in some neutral space is he?

The way he's being typed about is that he's more than neutral, more than mediocre. It's like he's redeemed, say it ain't so, Mr. Seb?

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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