Cosmic wrote:That right there is part of the problem with David Lee. He will ignore his man to get in position for a rebound. There are times where that has bit us in the ass because he has left his man anticipating the board but the ball bounced out deep and then he gets torched by the offensive rebounder.

dude needs to step it up & stand his ground in the lane & draw a few charges... he needs to take some pointers from Fishlips in this regard... there's no use setting up for a rebound if the penetrator has a wide open lane to the basket for an easy layup or dunk.

TMS wrote:

Cosmic wrote:That right there is part of the problem with David Lee. He will ignore his man to get in position for a rebound. There are times where that has bit us in the ass because he has left his man anticipating the board but the ball bounced out deep and then he gets torched by the offensive rebounder.

dude needs to step it up & stand his ground in the lane & draw a few charges... he needs to take some pointers from Fishlips in this regard... there's no use setting up for a rebound if the penetrator has a wide open lane to the basket for an easy layup or dunk.

Yeah either get Lee a stud defensive center or play him with some good perimeter defenders to shore up the first line of defense. You can cover for Lee when you're playing a shotblocking C, and guys who can defend the perimeter. Then all Lee has to worry about is man defense.

loweyecue wrote:

kam77 wrote:

TMS wrote:

Cosmic wrote:That right there is part of the problem with David Lee. He will ignore his man to get in position for a rebound. There are times where that has bit us in the ass because he has left his man anticipating the board but the ball bounced out deep and then he gets torched by the offensive rebounder.

dude needs to step it up & stand his ground in the lane & draw a few charges... he needs to take some pointers from Fishlips in this regard... there's no use setting up for a rebound if the penetrator has a wide open lane to the basket for an easy layup or dunk.

Yeah either get Lee a stud defensive center or play him with some good perimeter defenders to shore up the first line of defense. You can cover for Lee when you're playing a shotblocking C, and guys who can defend the perimeter. Then all Lee has to worry about is man defense.

You guys keep justifying why we should play 4 on 5 defense and still go ahead and overpay for Lee, it just does not make sense.
Either he starts working on defense or we don't need to sign him. 25 ppg, -35 papg (points allowed per game). Getting our monies worth as usual in NY. Lee has had enough opportunity to show he is willing to play defense and he hasn't shown jack ****. Keeping Lee also means keeping Jeffries or equivalent defensive player and that already means 4 on 5 Defense and 4 on 5 offense. You guys are seeing how much we suck because of this every single game and you still sit here justifying why we should keep Lee. Crazy!!

Co-Sign.

It seems to be a lost topic though. I mean, if only we get a defensive PF then Eddy Curry would be perfect. If only we get a defensive PG then Jamal Crawford would be the perfect SG for us.

Why don't fans understand that is flawed logic?

Fine, go ahead, get a perfect defensive PF. Then what. Now we got a player who can't score worth ****. We got a player who has to constantly leave his man to cover Lee's man....and then his man dunks on us 15 times a game because he is left wide open.

This strategy DOES NOT WORK. It never has and it never will.

Either David Lee learns how to play both sides of the ball or he leaves. Or we accept being a garbage team that can only go so far because our starting C/F gives up 50 points and 30 boards a game while getting his own 20/10.....which seems to woo everyone into forgetting that defense exists.

We should be focusing on acquiring a real center that fits the system. Javale McGee.

loweyecue wrote:

kam77 wrote:Sometimes fans are guilty of focusing too much on what a guy can't do they become blind to what the guy is doing.

I was a Dlee detractor like yourselves. But i never allowed myself to be blind to his positive traits.

You need to open your eyes again.

Who said we are blind to his positive traits? The argument is that positive traits on one side of the ball is not enough to buy him a spot on the Knicks as currently constructed. Nowhere have I denied his offensive ability. What I said was his overall impact on the game can be negative IN SPITE of his offensie abilities, because he is likely to give up more points on defense than he scores on offense.

i think because of all the negative posts that have proliferated around this team over the years, fans automatically comprehend any sort of criticism that's directed at our players or coaches as blind hate rather than simple critical analysis... IMO it's better to be aware of the weaknesses than to be blinded by only the positives, because improving on weakness is the only way to better yourself down the road... being incessantly negative is obviously not what most critics around here are aiming at, we just want to see this team improve & thinking of the best ways to do it.