Prediction: PAIN!

oohah wrote:

fishmike wrote:
neither what I hope or what I think. Its what I see. If you are going to tell me that Dolan mandated Isiah and Layden to field competitive teams I will agree. Winning teams sell out in NY. Only the Giants sell out when they are bad. Any NYC teams that are good sell. Thats a fact.

Did Dolan mandate Isiah trade for Curry? Zach? Steve Francis? Are you going to tell me that this current management is the same as previous management? Its not. This GM has a longer track record than anything you can bring up with Isiah and Layden, both of which were terrible GMs. The GM has deep league ties. He hasnt starphucked at all. Furthest thing from it. He's dumped starphuck players to cleans the culture and make room for new.

Is this is a starphuck management than why isnt Allen Iverson a Knick? Surely that would have sold some tickets.

The Starphuch under Walsh was Mike D'Antoni. remember that Walsh was leaning toward Mark Jackson -- one of his guys -- then when D'Antoni became available the Knicks snapped him up. That has Dolan-type starphuching written all over it. Right now Mike D'Antoni is the face and the hope of the Knicks more than any player.

OPINIONS:
I believe that D'Antoni does not want to coach a 3rd year with no true star, and Dolan wants a star to hype the team in the media. The understanding, in my opinion, between Dolan, Walsh, and D'Antoni was for D'Antoni to work with low-talent teams for 2 years then to have 2 Stars, Lebron + somebody else.

In regard to whether Dolan mandated that Isiah trade specifically for this player or that player, I don't know. But you have to look at the trends. The Francis move was at the behest of Larry Brown (As Brown admitted.), and I believe the Randolph move was Dolan/Isiah trying to upgrade the team too quickly, basically getting ahead of themselves because they thought they would have made a push for the playoffs in the pre-Randolph year if not for the injuries to Marbury, Lee, and Crawford.

oohah

Fans dont buy tickets to see a coach.

By the way... where is Mark Jackson coaching? Cause he's such a great prospect. Jamal Tinsley was also one of Walsh's guys.

fishmike wrote:

oohah wrote:The understanding, in my opinion, between Dolan, Walsh, and D'Antoni was for D'Antoni to work with low-talent teams for 2 years then to have 2 Stars, Lebron + somebody else.

dude.. wouldnt that be every coach's understanding a rebuilding situation? Years 1&2, draft and purge. Year 3 add FA talent to your youth and have a core to go with. IF you have a 3 year rebuilding plan wouldnt it go something like that?

Sounds conspiratorial to me...

fishmike wrote:

Panos wrote:

fishmike wrote:

oohah wrote:The understanding, in my opinion, between Dolan, Walsh, and D'Antoni was for D'Antoni to work with low-talent teams for 2 years then to have 2 Stars, Lebron + somebody else.

dude.. wouldnt that be every coach's understanding a rebuilding situation? Years 1&2, draft and purge. Year 3 add FA talent to your youth and have a core to go with. IF you have a 3 year rebuilding plan wouldnt it go something like that?

Sounds conspiratorial to me...

isnt that when it gets really hard to crap?

Nothing that a big tin of beans couldn't help!

djsunyc wrote:

MS wrote:I am not overpaying any of the following to join the team: Bosh, JJ, Amare.

Those guys keep a team around .500 and will be on their downside very shortly. Without Steve Nash Amare is just a nice big at this point with all the injures he has suffered.

I think the first order of business is to give Lee 10 million a year. Fair deal and he gets to stay in New York. Then I look at guys like Okur, Camby, Ray Allen, Grant Hill see if any of them will take a one year deal and provide some leadership.

I would extend an offer of 6-7 million for Randy Foye perhaps on a three year deal. He will breakout and is already doing so in Washington since Arenas went down and we have a guard that can score and play a little defense.

Foye
Chandler
Gallo
Lee
Camby

That's worse case and I think that's a pretty solid squad with Hill, Douglas, JJ off the bench.

i don't understand this strategy. what does that team accomplish? after stripping away and getting cap space in 2010, you don't want bosh + jj + amare but want foye and camby? what kind of team are you trying to build? might as well move to memphis and watch the grizzlies.

If you cant build with a star (or two) then try the Detroit route. Build a team with complimenting parts. Keep using the draft (prince). Look for firesale deals (like they did with Sheed). Look for a quality player at a budget (Foye?).

All we did to get here was give up overpriced players. We can get more of those anytime we want.

Guards-Douglas/chandler/foye fowards-Gallo/Lee center-hill

This plan allows you to open up time for you're young guys and remain a viable playoff team. Chris Paul and Melo then become youre targets.

How much better is this team with Amare? I don't think he elevates you and wins playoff series.

djsunyc wrote:

MS wrote:How much better is this team with Amare? I don't think he elevates you and wins playoff series.

unlike 99% of the teams in the league, the knicks CAN take on salaries. so getting 1 guy this summer is good b/c you can go get other guys teams are looking to dump in salary deals. again, this ain't memphis...you think dolan is going to sit on the sidelines for another year? or d'antoni for that matter? the lebron thing has warped everyone's thinking. amare > anybody on the knicks.

I no longer see the major reason to spend on bosh or amare because lee is almost as good and less injury prone, and less expensive. I would much rather have a homegrown talent who is durable and fits well within the system. I'm not going to be disappointed if we get one of these guys because they are stars, but if we get one at the expense of lee what have we gained, and on top of that we still don't have a solid PG. Adding Johnson alongside Lee makes you much better no doubt about it, and because of his versatility, you can add whoever you want the following year, like melo, parker, richardson, west, ellis, or whoever, and it's still a good fit. Johnson is a pretty complete player, and i know there's concern about his age, but he's more of a skills player than athletic, and i don't see him declining as quickly with age. Plus you know he can lead a team, you just need to find players to put around him. He's no LeBron, but i would be fine adding him this summer.