BRIGGS wrote:Ill tell you another guy who is having a great season is Scottie Reynolds---the problem is we are likely picking so far back with both picks---it will be impossible to gauge 1-2 guys but rather you want a guy who can make the team from ANY position--and it will be difficult to see what is what until you are actually picking--we are used to having a 1 pick--usually in the top 10 the last few years--I would imagine that one pick will be a European prospect--maybe depends on what is where and who is who when we are picking--I just dont see us high enough to catch a falling star. Maybe we can bundle the picks with some cash to move up-who knows but I think no matter what we do---the Knicks replacements PG{i mean the guy who runs the show next year] for the NEAR term is NOt coming from picks 46 and 56 --we might get a PG and heck we might get 2 who the heck knows.--------------->How do we upgrade our PG for 2010-2011? I think we stay veteran and try to trade for one or use the LLE. Forget Branden Jennings--I think we missed the boat on Ty Lawson--that was probably the guy we should have keyed on once curry rubio and evans were gone for the Knicks style of play. I kept reading how the Knicks did not want a small G and we already had Nate but I think T Lawson will prove to be a worthy top pick in terms of quality efficient PG play. He might not score 55 but I think he can run a club and win effectively. I think he would be starting here by now.

I'm not really a fan of Scottie Reynolds. Never was. He can shoot (his 3 pt. % is way up this year) but I never really thought of him as a guy that can run a club at the next level. He's not even a PG at the college level really. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't see him as a capable NBA PG....Whole idea of this thread -- I just got sick to my stomach watching Duhon play lately and I wanted to basically try to get all the upgrades out on the table (again, within reason for us, given our situation and inability to do certain things once we hopefully execute our bigger moves) and then try to sort it all out and see what works and what doesn't...

First off, unbeknownst to me before I checked up on it, the MLE doesn't work for us as it seems you have to start the off-season off already in the hole (over the cap) for that to even be an option. This makes adding a veteran-type PG virtually impossible. Right off the bat, you can basically eliminate guys like Ray Felton, Randy Foye, maybe even Kyle Lowry (who I think has a chance to be a real nice two-way PG btw - he's an absolute pitbull on D with great hands and he's got some good quickness, a good enough handle & some untapped offensive ability...I think anyway), unless they come in a S&T or something -- those guys might want more than a strict MLE-type deal anyway... Lowry is interesting right now though --- Houston supposedly wants TD or Hill in any McGrady deal - well they're not getting Hill but I might be willing to give them Douglas in order to get back McGrady along with Kyle Lowry. If they want to do that, I might do that deal...

I can't even think about Jennings or Lawson anymore -- I admit I had my reservations about both at the time anyway to be honest (I didn't like either guy at 8 - Jennings I knew nothing about except that he was getting sporadic PT & wasn't playing well at all in Europe. Lawson I liked but I didn't feel he was lottery material. For the record, I'm still happy with Jordan Hill at 8. Even though he's been jerked around all season, I still feel Hill's a heck of a player and everything Mike wants/needs out of a big man)..What's done is done...I think our best bet is to do what we did last year - attempt to buy/trade for a pick in the 23-30 range. There's got to be a team that'll be looking to deal their pick there (Memphis will have two picks in that range as well as one additional higher 1, the Lakers might look to deal again - they're well over the cap next year and may not look to add a guaranteed first round contract, etc.)... The guy I want there is Sherron Collins. NBAdraft.net has him going within range of our first 2, but I can't see that. Concerns about lack of height/potential to gain weight (which doesn't appear to be an issue anymore) might cause him to slip a little but not into the mid-second round. That's crazy - he's too good. If I'm the Knicks I use that to my advantage and start thinking about him right now. I think this guy's a starting-caliber NBA PG. That's your Ty Lawson right there -- a little small at 5'11"/6' but there's really nothing he can't do well - quick, strong, tough, athletic, can penetrate & excels at the drive and kick game, great handle, can get his shot whenever he wants (a very important quality for me - we have a PG who can't do that right now), great shooter with range, and he's a true floor general. He's running one of America's top teams pretty much to perfection right now.. He's got all the qualities I'm looking for in a PG -- qualities Chris Duhon can only dream about...I say devise a plan to move up enough to have a chance at Collins and then draft either Vasquez for backcourt versatility/depth or Manny Harris for a true NBA 2-guard with that second pick. I'd be very happy with that. Harris may not even last that long however...I know it's against the norm, but I'd look to start plugging specific holes on this team over going with either a decent PF that might be there (if we retain Lee, together with Jordan Hill, do we really need guys like Booker or Gates?) or the best available 2nd round project that fell into my lap with no apparent gameplan. I don't think D'Antoni would play that type of guy anyway so what would be the point? They need to get at least one viable player at a position of need and PG is a huge hole on this team right now moving forward. I wanna see the problem addressed. Especially if the plan is to add a bigtime FA - that free agent's gonna want to see the makings of a complete roster and a direction.. LeBron or no LeBron I think we're a much better team next year with Sherron Collins in for Chris Duhon..

BRIGGS wrote:I like Schyer and Dyson with our picks if we go guards then Harris and Lin as secondary choices

Yes - I've been thinking about Schyer. Reminds me of Calathes a bit = who I really like.

Finestrg wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Ill tell you another guy who is having a great season is Scottie Reynolds---the problem is we are likely picking so far back with both picks---it will be impossible to gauge 1-2 guys but rather you want a guy who can make the team from ANY position--and it will be difficult to see what is what until you are actually picking--we are used to having a 1 pick--usually in the top 10 the last few years--I would imagine that one pick will be a European prospect--maybe depends on what is where and who is who when we are picking--I just dont see us high enough to catch a falling star. Maybe we can bundle the picks with some cash to move up-who knows but I think no matter what we do---the Knicks replacements PG{i mean the guy who runs the show next year] for the NEAR term is NOt coming from picks 46 and 56 --we might get a PG and heck we might get 2 who the heck knows.--------------->How do we upgrade our PG for 2010-2011? I think we stay veteran and try to trade for one or use the LLE. Forget Branden Jennings--I think we missed the boat on Ty Lawson--that was probably the guy we should have keyed on once curry rubio and evans were gone for the Knicks style of play. I kept reading how the Knicks did not want a small G and we already had Nate but I think T Lawson will prove to be a worthy top pick in terms of quality efficient PG play. He might not score 55 but I think he can run a club and win effectively. I think he would be starting here by now.

I'm not really a fan of Scottie Reynolds. Never was. He can shoot (his 3 pt. % is way up this year) but I never really thought of him as a guy that can run a club at the next level. He's not even a PG at the college level really. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't see him as a capable NBA PG....Whole idea of this thread -- I just got sick to my stomach watching Duhon play lately and I wanted to basically try to get all the upgrades out on the table (again, within reason for us, given our situation and inability to do certain things once we hopefully execute our bigger moves) and then try to sort it all out and see what works and what doesn't...

First off, unbeknownst to me before I checked up on it, the MLE doesn't work for us as it seems you have to start the off-season off already in the hole (over the cap) for that to even be an option. This makes adding a veteran-type PG virtually impossible. Right off the bat, you can basically eliminate guys like Ray Felton, Randy Foye, maybe even Kyle Lowry (who I think has a chance to be a real nice two-way PG btw - he's an absolute pitbull on D with great hands and he's got some good quickness, a good enough handle & some untapped offensive ability...I think anyway), unless they come in a S&T or something -- those guys might want more than a strict MLE-type deal anyway... Lowry is interesting right now though --- Houston supposedly wants TD or Hill in any McGrady deal - well they're not getting Hill but I might be willing to give them Douglas in order to get back McGrady along with Kyle Lowry. If they want to do that, I might do that deal...

I can't even think about Jennings or Lawson anymore -- I admit I had my reservations about both at the time anyway to be honest (I didn't like either guy at 8 - Jennings I knew nothing about except that he was getting sporadic PT & wasn't playing well at all in Europe. Lawson I liked but I didn't feel he was lottery material. For the record, I'm still happy with Jordan Hill at 8. Even though he's been jerked around all season, I still feel Hill's a heck of a player and everything Mike wants/needs out of a big man)..What's done is done...I think our best bet is to do what we did last year - attempt to buy/trade for a pick in the 23-30 range. There's got to be a team that'll be looking to deal their pick there (Memphis will have two picks in that range as well as one additional higher 1, the Lakers might look to deal again - they're well over the cap next year and may not look to add a guaranteed first round contract, etc.)... The guy I want there is Sherron Collins. NBAdraft.net has him going within range of our first 2, but I can't see that. Concerns about lack of height/potential to gain weight (which doesn't appear to be an issue anymore) might cause him to slip a little but not into the mid-second round. That's crazy - he's too good. If I'm the Knicks I use that to my advantage and start thinking about him right now. I think this guy's a starting-caliber NBA PG. That's your Ty Lawson right there -- a little small at 5'11"/6' but there's really nothing he can't do well - quick, strong, tough, athletic, can penetrate & excels at the drive and kick game, great handle, can get his shot whenever he wants (a very important quality for me - we have a PG who can't do that right now), great shooter with range, and he's a true floor general. He's running one of America's top teams pretty much to perfection right now.. He's got all the qualities I'm looking for in a PG -- qualities Chris Duhon can only dream about...I say devise a plan to move up enough to have a chance at Collins and then draft either Vasquez for backcourt versatility/depth or Manny Harris for a true NBA 2-guard with that second pick. I'd be very happy with that. Harris may not even last that long however...I know it's against the norm, but I'd look to start plugging specific holes on this team over going with either a decent PF that might be there (if we retain Lee, together with Jordan Hill, do we really need guys like Booker or Gates?) or the best available 2nd round project that fell into my lap with no apparent gameplan. I don't think D'Antoni would play that type of guy anyway so what would be the point? They need to get at least one viable player at a position of need and PG is a huge hole on this team right now moving forward. I wanna see the problem addressed. Especially if the plan is to add a bigtime FA - that free agent's gonna want to see the makings of a complete roster and a direction.. LeBron or no LeBron I think we're a much better team next year with Sherron Collins in for Chris Duhon..

Ill tell you a guy who the Knicks might like--not listed anywhere on drfat sites--Jerome Randle from Cal. He's only 5-10 but he's reminds me of Brooks from Houston. There are several guys we might be able to get who might be pretty darn good players.

BRIGGS wrote:Ill tell you another guy who is having a great season is Scottie Reynolds---the problem is we are likely picking so far back with both picks---it will be impossible to gauge 1-2 guys but rather you want a guy who can make the team from ANY position--and it will be difficult to see what is what until you are actually picking--we are used to having a 1 pick--usually in the top 10 the last few years--I would imagine that one pick will be a European prospect--maybe depends on what is where and who is who when we are picking--I just dont see us high enough to catch a falling star. Maybe we can bundle the picks with some cash to move up-who knows but I think no matter what we do---the Knicks replacements PG{i mean the guy who runs the show next year] for the NEAR term is NOt coming from picks 46 and 56 --we might get a PG and heck we might get 2 who the heck knows.--------------->How do we upgrade our PG for 2010-2011? I think we stay veteran and try to trade for one or use the LLE. Forget Branden Jennings--I think we missed the boat on Ty Lawson--that was probably the guy we should have keyed on once curry rubio and evans were gone for the Knicks style of play. I kept reading how the Knicks did not want a small G and we already had Nate but I think T Lawson will prove to be a worthy top pick in terms of quality efficient PG play. He might not score 55 but I think he can run a club and win effectively. I think he would be starting here by now.

maybe this year donnie walsh reads john hollingers column. hollinger was pimping lawson as a steal and jordan hill as most likely to bust.

But we needed a PG desperately and we passed up a PG touted by Hollinger as potentially great. I wonder if NBA GMs think Hollinger is a joke or something..

http://www.slamonline.com/online/other-ballers/womens/2010/01/ticha-penicheiro-no-longer-in-sacto/

http://www.slamonline.com/online/other-ballers/womens/2010/01/the-most-underrated-wnba-player/

MS wrote:I think Foye and Felton are the two targets. If we miss out on Lebron we want to have some talent in the fold at the guard position just in case we want to swing a trade in the future. Both guys I would imagine would command less then 7 million and would give the knicks so much need production.

The Knicks could also use the remaining cap room to sign a veteran on a nice one year deal.

only way we can talk about those guys is if we don't sign a max player, or you let D Lee walk... if we don't sign a max guy, then you're looking at using up the cap space on D Lee, a PG like Foye, Felton or Lowry, & another role player to fill out some depth on your roster like Al Harrington, Camby, or the like... i doubt Nate is in the cards for us either way, & hope Duhon isn't.

Cookdcokehop wrote:I think we should sign Steve Blake

Another backup? No thanks.

iSergio wrote:

Cookdcokehop wrote:I think we should sign Steve Blake

Another backup? No thanks.

If Steve Blake was our worst starter there's no problem with that. Can't have an all star at every position. The lakers and the bull both won multiple championships without having awesome PGs. And he's infinitely better than Duhon. I wouldn't mind signing Blake until we can draft a PG that pans out.