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JrZyHuStLa
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1/8/2010  5:39 PM
kam77 wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Bird is overrated.

He's 24th in all time scoring.

Sure guys like Ewing, and Dominique scored more points but Bird was better. Bird played fewer seasons.

I agree that Bird was better than Ewing and Wilkins because he had some championship swag.

But I don't think he's a top 10 player of all time.

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1/8/2010  6:25 PM
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sebstar wrote:Gallo is going to be good, perhaps very, very good, but not great.

And Bird is not a top 5 player of all time.

i think there were lots of great players too, but this guy was off the charts good. the thing that made bird so great, other than his numbers of course, is that he couldnt jump, wasnt quick, had no shake and bake type moves, but the guy got it done EVERY SINGLE TIME he touched the ball. who whould you put over him? just curious.


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1/8/2010  7:30 PM
Birds IQ was through the roof on both ends of the floor, but I need to see more from DG before i start comparing him to anybody.

why are white players compared to other white player, same for blacks ? I know the question sound a little ridiculous, but in the MLB young players get compared to older great players reguardless of race.

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1/8/2010  7:38 PM
knicks1248 wrote:Birds IQ was through the roof on both ends of the floor, but I need to see more from DG before i start comparing him to anybody.

why are white players compared to other white player, same for blacks ? I know the question sound a little ridiculous, but in the MLB young players get compared to older great players reguardless of race.

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1/8/2010  7:44 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/8/2010  7:46 PM
knicks1248 wrote:Birds IQ was through the roof on both ends of the floor, but I need to see more from DG before i start comparing him to anybody.

why are white players compared to other white player, same for blacks ? I know the question sound a little ridiculous, but in the MLB young players get compared to older great players reguardless of race.

People can identify with them, it's something they have in common like people in their community. It's all good though

Just like Joe Louis black people were so into him because he was beating up people in a time when blacks as a people were getting beat up. The black community identified with him.

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1/8/2010  7:45 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
kam77 wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Bird is overrated.

He's 24th in all time scoring.

Sure guys like Ewing, and Dominique scored more points but Bird was better. Bird played fewer seasons.

I agree that Bird was better than Ewing and Wilkins because he had some championship swag.

But I don't think he's a top 10 player of all time.

Jordan
Bryant
James
Magic
Abdul Jabbar
O'neal
Olajuwon
Chamberlain
Karl Malone
Robertson


Bird belongs in the top 10 easily.. top 5 if you ask me..

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1/8/2010  7:51 PM
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sebstar wrote:Gallo is going to be good, perhaps very, very good, but not great.

And Bird is not a top 5 player of all time.

i think there were lots of great players too, but this guy was off the charts good. the thing that made bird so great, other than his numbers of course, is that he couldnt jump, wasnt quick, had no shake and bake type moves, but the guy got it done EVERY SINGLE TIME he touched the ball. who whould you put over him? just curious.


on a more serious note - hope things have gotten better for you personally broham.

You just mentioned why Bird is not top 5....Lack Of Athleticism.....There are players with similar and/or better stats. With more athleticism with high Basketball IQ.

I got a friend that was drafted by the Celtics in 1980, and played with Bird. And said he was a great player. But theres a LONG history of great players in the league. He's definitely top 10....Top 5?

If you're comparing all the non-athletic NBA players of all time? Yes, Bird is top 5...

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1/8/2010  8:01 PM
knicks1248 wrote:Birds IQ was through the roof on both ends of the floor, but I need to see more from DG before i start comparing him to anybody.

why are white players compared to other white player, same for blacks ? I know the question sound a little ridiculous, but in the MLB young players get compared to older great players reguardless of race.

Question....What black (or non-white) nba player reminds you of Galo?

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1/8/2010  8:13 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
kam77 wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Bird is overrated.

He's 24th in all time scoring.

Sure guys like Ewing, and Dominique scored more points but Bird was better. Bird played fewer seasons.

I agree that Bird was better than Ewing and Wilkins because he had some championship swag.

But I don't think he's a top 10 player of all time.

Jordan
Bryant
James
Magic
Abdul Jabbar
O'neal
Olajuwon
Chamberlain
Karl Malone
Robertson

Definitely have Bird in my top 10. Bird is the best small forward of all time. Lebron has a shot to pass him if he continues on this path...BTW, no way is Karl malon better than Bird.

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1/8/2010  8:18 PM
Why can't he become as good as Scott Pip only a better shooter. I just think NBA players and NFL players always get compared to great players of the same race. In baseball hitters get compared to other older great hitters and so forth.

I think gallo is develping nicely and it's hard to say who he will be compared to when his career is at it's peak. Hopefully by then he will have his own identity just like Dirk. In the begining of Dirks career was compared to Bird all the time, now that he's come into his own, you almost never here that.

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1/8/2010  8:26 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/8/2010  8:35 PM
sebstar wrote:Gallo is going to be good, perhaps very, very good, but not great.

And Bird is not a top 5 player of all time.

Huh? I'd say perhaps top three, but definitely top five. I guess it depends on your criteria. He was magnificent. The highlights reel linked to above is a small sampling of the wild stuff he did all the time. He was almost always the game changer.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Bird is overrated.

He's 24th in all time scoring.

Scoring? That's hardly the sole criteria for who's top five best. I'd say more important than ANY skills evaluation would be the impact a player has on his team's winning. Bird's determination to win motivated his team. He literally willed them to win. Bird was closest to MJ in that respect. Only Kobe and maybe Magic are also in that rarefied company. I am certain Lebron will join them.

Gallo has a shot at greatness, like any rookie/sophomore, but it's probably a long shot. He has skills, but he has to prove everything else on a consistent basis over a career. Still, it would be outstanding if he even approximated Bird's level of play and will to win.

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1/8/2010  9:05 PM
When I 1st saw Gallo I thought he reminded me of Lamar Odom or a more agile Charles Smith (for those that remember him) or Tim Thomas if he ever used his talents. KVH is of course another guy with his size and overall skills. The thing is that he's more complete like Bird and that's where the comparison comes in. He's also got that big time clutch shot making.

Since Gallo is so big, it's possible that he may grow into more of a Dirk type player, cuz he's clearly not done filling out. That's the thing with Gallo we have no idea just how good he'll end up being. At 21 he's got a lot of time to continue to develop and mature. I see him as a future leader on this team.

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1/8/2010  11:22 PM
i think KVH had a more polished post up game... Gallo's probably a better defender, but KVH was more athletic as a youngster... i like Gallo's mental makeup more tho, he plays w/more confidence & has bukkake balls to knock down big shots... i agree w/nixluva on the future leader point tho... he's got charisma & very mature for such a young kid.
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1/8/2010  11:37 PM
Gallo's pushing 15ppg in his "limited" role on offense. He's not being used as a focal point. Next season, if they call a few plays for him in the post or in the pick & roll, you figure he could be pushing 18-20ppg in 2010.
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1/8/2010  11:40 PM
technomaster wrote:Gallo's pushing 15ppg in his "limited" role on offense. He's not being used as a focal point. Next season, if they call a few plays for him in the post or in the pick & roll, you figure he could be pushing 18-20ppg in 2010.

if we get Lebron & re-sign Lee or sign someone else like Bosh, i dunno about that... Gallo's not going to see as many touches on offense unless MDA starts to feature him more & that will have to come at the expense of somebody, no?

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1/9/2010  12:23 AM
How about a little Respect for Bill Russell. How can people mention Chamberlain and not mention the player who consistently beat him. Bill Russell has to be in the Top 10 and somewhere in the TOP 3. Bird would be there - the guy was a winner (and I was not a fan I hated the guy because you knew he was going to beat you and he did)

Karl Malone would not sniff My top Ten.

As far as the Gallo Bird Comparison, their both good shooters and both can pass. But Bird was A great passer, was much Stronger and had much more variety to his offense. Can Gallo approximate Bird I hope so - but that's asking a hell of a lot.

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1/9/2010  2:43 AM
Let Gallo be Gallo. Let his body and his game grow. Let him play 10 years with some good teammates.

Then you can start comparing him with other players. Bird was one of the greatest players in this game, and played on one of the best teams this league has seen. I wouldn't compare Gallo to Bird at this point, but I think that if we can land James, he will be a perfect compliment for him- an all around player who really understands the game and is willing to play any role a coach wants him to play in order for the team to win.

I thought he could be a very good player in this league before we drafted him and wanted him at #6 when it was our time to pick. I have not been disappointed so far.

I don't know how good he can/will be, but if he stays injury free, and has the right group of players to play with, a lot of guys on UK will have to eat crow for the abuse they heaped on Gallinari as a player last year, and on Walsh for picking him.

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1/9/2010  1:52 PM
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technomaster wrote:Gallo's pushing 15ppg in his "limited" role on offense. He's not being used as a focal point. Next season, if they call a few plays for him in the post or in the pick & roll, you figure he could be pushing 18-20ppg in 2010.

if we get Lebron & re-sign Lee or sign someone else like Bosh, i dunno about that... Gallo's not going to see as many touches on offense unless MDA starts to feature him more & that will have to come at the expense of somebody, no?

Assuming we have much of the same mix next year - I think we could easily see a reduced role for Al Harrington, who doesn't do a heck of a lot of other things other than score. Take away 2 shot attempts/game from him, and that becomes 3pts for Gallo (or Chandler).

Right now we've formed our "big three" - Lee, Chandler, and Gallo. It brings up some interesting questions on who our priorities will be next year on the FA market. Top priorities would be a pure shooting PG and a shot blocking threat, either at center or PF. You'd ideally like to see both Chandler and Gallo starting and getting at least 32mpg, but both of them are sized along the lines of an LBJ. In theory you could go with a big lineup, with Lebron at PG, and go 6'8+" from PG-PF. With that mix of players, you could probably deal with a non-scoring Jeffries type at center.

I wouldn't mind Wade as a PG either - given that our Lee, Chandler, and Gallo can all capably bring the ball up the floor, you could still play Wade off the ball.

I'm not 100% convinced on what Bosh would bring to the table on our team... but certainly he'd offer a mobile talent upgrade at the big man positions. It's just that we've got guys with scoring upside all around.

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1/9/2010  2:22 PM
Bird managed to produce some excellent numbers and wowed fans because he had excellent teammates.

Just a quick look at stats - for stretches of seasons, the Celtics had this type of production:
Bird 25+ppg, 10rpg, 7apg
Parish 19+ppg, 10+apg, 1.5bpg
McHale 20+ppg, 8+rpg, 2bpg
Ainge 13ppg, 5+apg
DJ 13ppg, 6+apg

This group of players already produced 90ppg. Plus you had a supporting cast around them. It was a different era, but it's feasible to have 3 players pushing 20ppg, and 5+ players scoring in double figures.

We've seen flashes of brilliance in Gallo's passing, but to this point he hasn't been asked a lot to handle the rock or initiate the offense... I could see him becoming a 3apg guy fairly easily, but depending on his teammates you could see Gallo developing in a number of different directions.

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1/9/2010  2:22 PM
Bird managed to produce some excellent numbers and wowed fans because he had excellent teammates.

Just a quick look at stats - for stretches of seasons, the Celtics had this type of production:
Bird 25+ppg, 10rpg, 7apg
Parish 19+ppg, 10+apg, 1.5bpg
McHale 20+ppg, 8+rpg, 2bpg
Ainge 13ppg, 5+apg
DJ 13ppg, 6+apg

This group of players already produced 90ppg. Plus you had a supporting cast around them. It was a different era, but it's feasible to have 3 players pushing 20ppg, and 5+ players scoring in double figures.

We've seen flashes of brilliance in Gallo's passing, but to this point he hasn't been asked a lot to handle the rock or initiate the offense... I could see him becoming a 3apg guy fairly easily, but depending on his teammates you could see Gallo developing in a number of different directions.

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