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nixluva
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1/2/2010  7:39 PM
Nate was doing what he should do. He was still being himself, only not out of control and detrimental to the team. That and his overall play at the point was very good. During a stretch from when he entered the game 6:22 left in the 3rd thru the 4th the guy had 7 assists. He was doing his thing on both ends and kept his teammates involved. when he did celebrate it was not overdone and he didn't fail to get back on D while celebrating. That has to be attributed to MDA getting thru to him to do his job and not hurt the team.

We can't know how Nate will play the rest of the season, but it has to at least be a good sign that he did the things he was asked to do by MDA. MDA is the kind of guy that has to feel he can trust you and once you lose that trust it can be hard to get it back, but a game like that goes a long way to rebuilding MDA's trust in Nate. All he has to do is keep it up. MDA isn't the bad guy here and neither is Nate. This is all part of the process. People are upset about some idea that maybe we lost a game or two cuz we didn't use Nate and they totally lose the point of how many more games this could cause us to win if Nate got the message and stays on the script. This is all a coach can do with a player that is stubborn and hasn't listened to several coaches. MDA did the right thing regardless of how this ends up. It's always been up to Nate to determine how his career goes. MDA is really trying to help him become a better player, much like other coaches tried to help Nate. Trying to find fault with MDA is silly and shows a lack of appreciation for what coaching is all about. MDA won in Europe and he's won in the NBA, give him some damn credit for knowing what he's doing.

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kam77
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1/2/2010  7:44 PM
sebstar wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
kam77 wrote:If you looked at Nate's play vs. the Hawks and thought he turned a over a new leaf, you're delusional.
If you think D'antoni's brilliant button-pushing produced 41 points, you're delusional.
If you think Nate can consistently channel his fire into winning basketball, you're delusional.
If you think Nate hasn't frustrated every NBA head coach he's had, you're delusional.
If you think D'antoni cost the knicks wins with nate's benching, you're delusional
(no one ever counts how many more losses would we have with Nate's bonehead plays?)

Nate hasn't proven he is a winning basketball player. One game down not a career define. He just happened to be in the zone for a night an played unstoppable. Unless you want to turn your entire offense over to Nate-ball, his style of play is not conducive to being a winning ingredient on a good team. He can be an iverson-lite. And we already passed on that type of ball dominating offensive weapon.

How can you bash a guy who just put up 41-8-6 and was the main conduit in winning? He'll have a 4-13---that will give you an opening! but give the guy slack for a night??

Dont mind them, some people around here have been conditioned to hate Robinson for any and everything. Hahaha at the haters. Let em be.

Fool. Who you calling some people? I didn't hate on nate. I explained how his style is at odds with what we did in December. Yes i watched this game and yes i was happy for Nate. But he vetoed a trade to Memphis that would've brought us a future pick. I wouldn't have been upset if that trade had gone through.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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1/2/2010  8:35 PM
nixluva wrote:Nate was doing what he should do. He was still being himself, only not out of control and detrimental to the team. That has to be attributed to MDA getting thru to him to do his job and not hurt the team.

yep... MDA deserves all the credit for how Nate played last nite... what was i thinking???... 2 games after Nate almost single handedly brought the Knicks back from a big deficit vs. the Orlando Magic by scoring 22 4th quarter points, he gets benched for 14 straight games by MDA, then comes out & scores 21 of the team's final 25 points vs. the Hawks to win the game for them... he's clearly a changed man... clearly he's learned the lesson that taking over a game & trying to lead a comeback in crunchtime is of no use to us unless we win the game... MDA makes Tony Robbins look like Rush Limbaugh... it's all about positive thinking... good thing we didn't lose last night otherwise this valuable life lesson would have went for naught... nice job coach! nice job.

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1/2/2010  8:41 PM
btw, here's the boxscore for the last game Nate played any significant minutes before the benching:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=291129018

Al Harrington & Larry Hughes have pisspoor games... Wilson Chandler has an off night shooting as well... Nate Robinson is basically the only player that played with any kind of energy in the 4th quarter of that game, but he's the one that gets benched 2 games later after reports surface that the coach wasn't happy with how he was yucking it up with Dwight Howard before that game.

but yeah, it's nothing personal... it's all about winning.

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kam77
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1/3/2010  7:38 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/3/2010  7:40 AM
There was nothing surprising in Robinson’s performance Friday. His talents are well known, and he has had big games under D’Antoni. The key is what happens on the nights when Robinson is not the center of the offense, or not making 75 percent of his shots. Can he stay within the system? Can he shine without detracting from the team? Will he play consistent defense? Can he celebrate without losing track of the next play?

- Howard Beck

None other than Ho Beck backing up the point of my post.
Guys you just don't get it if you think it was personal. It's about winning.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
babyKnicks
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1/3/2010  8:14 AM
kam77 wrote:There was nothing surprising in Robinson’s performance Friday. His talents are well known, and he has had big games under D’Antoni. The key is what happens on the nights when Robinson is not the center of the offense, or not making 75 percent of his shots. Can he stay within the system? Can he shine without detracting from the team? Will he play consistent defense? Can he celebrate without losing track of the next play?

- Howard Beck

None other than Ho Beck backing up the point of my post.
Guys you just don't get it if you think it was personal. It's about winning.


"Ho beck" lauded the effort and hopes for the best.
Your post said we were all dillusional. Not the same.

Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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1/3/2010  8:57 AM
Nate had a terrific game on a night where no one else could produce for us.

That aside...he did everything that got him benched. 1-5 play. Showboating after every basket.

If anyone thinks that he is going to now shoot 18-24 every game they're lost in the excitement of the one game.

Had Nate gone 16-24, which would still have been a spectacular game, we lose that game, and then we'd all be scrutinizing how his ballhogging cost us the game by alienating his teammates.

I'm sorry but the sooner Nate is gone the better....and the funny thing is... I really like the little goober a lot. It's just that he kills team chemistry on the court. The ball stops.

I thought it was unfair how he was treated but even in the best game of his career it is painfully obvious why he is not to be used for more than 20 minutes off the bench and only in situations when nobody else is producing and we're watching a game get away from us.

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kam77
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1/3/2010  11:24 AM
babyKnicks wrote:
kam77 wrote:There was nothing surprising in Robinson’s performance Friday. His talents are well known, and he has had big games under D’Antoni. The key is what happens on the nights when Robinson is not the center of the offense, or not making 75 percent of his shots. Can he stay within the system? Can he shine without detracting from the team? Will he play consistent defense? Can he celebrate without losing track of the next play?

- Howard Beck

None other than Ho Beck backing up the point of my post.
Guys you just don't get it if you think it was personal. It's about winning.


"Ho beck" lauded the effort and hopes for the best.
Your post said we were all dillusional. Not the same.

Read my post before spouting nonsense. I called Nate an offensive weapon in the mold of Allen Iverson who could be the center of an offensive scheme. I lauded Nate, but pointed out that we're not trying to build around Nate going one on five.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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1/3/2010  11:36 AM
Cosmic wrote:Had Nate gone 16-24, which would still have been a spectacular game, we lose that game, and then we'd all be scrutinizing how his ballhogging cost us the game by alienating his teammates.

No, we would have been saying the same thing. 67% shooting is not ballhogging.

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1/3/2010  12:27 PM
TMS wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Nate Robinson is ideal as a scorer for 15-20 minutes a night. If he has is going that night bump his minutes.

if he's used for 15-20 minutes last night we probably lose the game, but i get your point... he's not gonna have it going like he did last night all the time obviously... it's a fine line how to determine how many minutes to give a guy like Nate cuz sometimes he can look like garbage for 25 minutes & then heat up & take over a game by himself in the next 10-15.

A lot of it will come down to whether he is doing other things on the court to help the team- Assists-Rebounds-Steals-basic D.

The 15-20 MPG and maybe more (if he "has it going that night") strategy seems fine to me, but I think MDA is going to look at the other things Nate does or does not do, besides just looking at his scoring that particular night.

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1/3/2010  5:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/3/2010  5:34 PM
Paladin55 wrote:
TMS wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Nate Robinson is ideal as a scorer for 15-20 minutes a night. If he has is going that night bump his minutes.

if he's used for 15-20 minutes last night we probably lose the game, but i get your point... he's not gonna have it going like he did last night all the time obviously... it's a fine line how to determine how many minutes to give a guy like Nate cuz sometimes he can look like garbage for 25 minutes & then heat up & take over a game by himself in the next 10-15.

A lot of it will come down to whether he is doing other things on the court to help the team- Assists-Rebounds-Steals-basic D.

The 15-20 MPG and maybe more (if he "has it going that night") strategy seems fine to me, but I think MDA is going to look at the other things Nate does or does not do, besides just looking at his scoring that particular night.

IMO Nate's game is not suited for MDA's system & never has been... he needs to isolate to be effective & freed to do his thing... this is why the moment MDA was hired i knew this would never work between those 2... i think it's unrealistic to hope that Nate will somehow transform himself into a different player at this point... we should really just be looking to showcase him, which is why i didn't agree w/the whole 14 game benching to begin with... there has to be teams out there interested in a guy who can drop 40 on any given night, i don't care how much of a knucklehead he is... Nate is a likable character & the fans enjoy watching him play... if for nothing else the entertainment factor will draw team's interest & i think it's reasonable to think we can at least get back a 1st round pick from a team in contention because u can see what he can do for a team when he's got it going.

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