joec32033 wrote:

McK1 wrote:

martin wrote:

McK1 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

Pringles has the team winning. They are winning. Winning. He IS doing his job. He is winning at a better pace than this team has won in years. his job is not to do what is best for Curry or Nate or anyone else. His job is to coach this team to wins and he has subtracted two players from his rotation who he felt didn't help him achieve that endgame.

As for Harrington's bad shots or Duhon's ill advised 3's. First we are WINNING with these players and their faults. We were not winning with Nate's immaturity and Curry's....well...whatever Curry is supposed to bring. Harrington and Duhon are also professionals. They show the right attitude in games. They aren't pulling bull**** that us handing the other team points or making their team play 4 on 5 like Nate did with his "look at me" antics. They are in shape and playing within a system not retarding the system.

the Knicks are 11-19. how the hell is he winning at a better pace than this team has in years?

how can people even try to have a conversation with you when you make such dumb comments. Obviously the whole season for the Knicks has been below average at best, but how can you deny or even think about bringing up the fact the Knicks are a steady 8-7 over the last 15.

are you and joec going to seriously stand by the statement the Knicks have not in the last few years had a stretch where they played .500+ ball
My cow just died you can keep your bull.

Last January the Knicks went 9-7-Under Pringles. 2008.

That was the first winning month the Knicks had in a very long time. I provided the link if you care to find a random 15 game stretch that supports your argument go ahead. I did the quick once over and before that winning January, we didn't have a winning month in YEARS, that is including that 6 game winning streak under LB-we went like 6-8 in that month.

Nate played in all 16 games and avgd 13.8 pts 3.6 rebs 3.1 assts and 1.4 stls in 26 minutes off the bench. Now why are you mentioning 2008?

joec32033 wrote:

McK1 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

McK1 wrote:

martin wrote:

McK1 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

Pringles has the team winning. They are winning. Winning. He IS doing his job. He is winning at a better pace than this team has won in years. his job is not to do what is best for Curry or Nate or anyone else. His job is to coach this team to wins and he has subtracted two players from his rotation who he felt didn't help him achieve that endgame.

As for Harrington's bad shots or Duhon's ill advised 3's. First we are WINNING with these players and their faults. We were not winning with Nate's immaturity and Curry's....well...whatever Curry is supposed to bring. Harrington and Duhon are also professionals. They show the right attitude in games. They aren't pulling bull**** that us handing the other team points or making their team play 4 on 5 like Nate did with his "look at me" antics. They are in shape and playing within a system not retarding the system.

the Knicks are 11-19. how the hell is he winning at a better pace than this team has in years?

how can people even try to have a conversation with you when you make such dumb comments. Obviously the whole season for the Knicks has been below average at best, but how can you deny or even think about bringing up the fact the Knicks are a steady 8-7 over the last 15.

are you and joec going to seriously stand by the statement the Knicks have not in the last few years had a stretch where they played .500+ ball
My cow just died you can keep your bull.

Last January the Knicks went 9-7-Under Pringles. 2008.

That was the first winning month the Knicks had in a very long time. I provided the link if you care to find a random 15 game stretch that supports your argument go ahead. I did the quick once over and before that winning January, we didn't have a winning month in YEARS, that is including that 6 game winning streak under LB-we went like 6-8 in that month.

Nate played in all 16 games and avgd 13.8 pts 3.6 rebs 3.1 assts and 1.4 stls in 26 minutes off the bench. Now why are you mentioning 2008?

Ok. Now you are just confusing me. You are the one who said to find a stretch where the Knicks were over .500. I did. Shit you JUST mentioned Lenny in 2004! I can't go back one year but you can go back 5?!? WTF?

In regards to those 16 games, which year are you referring to? If you are referring to LAST YEAR, we weren't playing the same style of Pringles' SSOL offense. If I recall correctly we were alternating between some hybrid of half court and SSOL. The only reason I remember is no one knew what the hell our identity was on this board and was pretty vocal about it.

ok lets retrace this.

you made the statement has the team winning at a pace they haven't in years.

I said bull****, the Knicks have a stretch like this every year. looking at the game logs EVERY YEAR since Nate's rookie year NY has had a 15 game stretch where they played .500 ball, a 10 game stretch in there where they played .600 or better, a multi game win streak.

ok now that we're caught up, what is doing W-L wise that hasn't been done?

McK1 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

McK1 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

McK1 wrote:

martin wrote:

McK1 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

Pringles has the team winning. They are winning. Winning. He IS doing his job. He is winning at a better pace than this team has won in years. his job is not to do what is best for Curry or Nate or anyone else. His job is to coach this team to wins and he has subtracted two players from his rotation who he felt didn't help him achieve that endgame.

As for Harrington's bad shots or Duhon's ill advised 3's. First we are WINNING with these players and their faults. We were not winning with Nate's immaturity and Curry's....well...whatever Curry is supposed to bring. Harrington and Duhon are also professionals. They show the right attitude in games. They aren't pulling bull**** that us handing the other team points or making their team play 4 on 5 like Nate did with his "look at me" antics. They are in shape and playing within a system not retarding the system.

the Knicks are 11-19. how the hell is he winning at a better pace than this team has in years?

how can people even try to have a conversation with you when you make such dumb comments. Obviously the whole season for the Knicks has been below average at best, but how can you deny or even think about bringing up the fact the Knicks are a steady 8-7 over the last 15.

are you and joec going to seriously stand by the statement the Knicks have not in the last few years had a stretch where they played .500+ ball
My cow just died you can keep your bull.

Last January the Knicks went 9-7-Under Pringles. 2008.

That was the first winning month the Knicks had in a very long time. I provided the link if you care to find a random 15 game stretch that supports your argument go ahead. I did the quick once over and before that winning January, we didn't have a winning month in YEARS, that is including that 6 game winning streak under LB-we went like 6-8 in that month.

Nate played in all 16 games and avgd 13.8 pts 3.6 rebs 3.1 assts and 1.4 stls in 26 minutes off the bench. Now why are you mentioning 2008?

Ok. Now you are just confusing me. You are the one who said to find a stretch where the Knicks were over .500. I did. Shit you JUST mentioned Lenny in 2004! I can't go back one year but you can go back 5?!? WTF?

In regards to those 16 games, which year are you referring to? If you are referring to LAST YEAR, we weren't playing the same style of Pringles' SSOL offense. If I recall correctly we were alternating between some hybrid of half court and SSOL. The only reason I remember is no one knew what the hell our identity was on this board and was pretty vocal about it.

ok lets retrace this.

you made the statement has the team winning at a pace they haven't in years.

I said bull****, the Knicks have a stretch like this every year. looking at the game logs EVERY YEAR since Nate's rookie year NY has had a 15 game stretch where they played .500 ball, a 10 game stretch in there where they played .600 or better, a multi game win streak.

ok now that we're caught up, what is doing W-L wise that hasn't been done?

He has this team playing consistent, heady basketball in the system he wanted to coach from the beginning. W-L wise they have played very well and are 8-7 and the last 2 losses came from teams that are definitely better than them. SA is a perennial Finals fave. He has them being competitive. Bottom line, the Knicks were losing when he was trying to shoe horn Nate and Eddy into the lineup. Now they are winning and look like a new team as compared to the beginning of this year. I don't know when Nate and Eddy's playing time took precedence over the Knicks team to you, but it seems like it coincided with Nate's benching.

McK1 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

He has this team playing consistent, heady basketball in the system he wanted to coach from the beginning. W-L wise they have played very well and are 8-7 and the last 2 losses came from teams that are definitely better than them. SA is a perennial Finals fave. He has them being competitive. Bottom line, the Knicks were losing when he was trying to shoe horn Nate and Eddy into the lineup. Now they are winning and look like a new team as compared to the beginning of this year. I don't know when Nate and Eddy's playing time took precedence over the Knicks team to you, but it seems like it coincided with Nate's benching.

this is SSOL we are seeing? sure looks like a more slower deliberate pace to me and the scorekeeper.
fact: NY has failed to reach 100 in 7 straight games and only twice in their last 10.

the team started well last year too when he put Marbury in his place...how'd that end up?

lets see him get NY to .500 then I'll join the circle jerk.

Why don't you pick a new team to root for, hater?

joec32033 wrote:

We don't have the offensive firepower to be Pringle's PHX team. And if I recall, alot of the SSOL offense isn't just running around like chickens shooting jumpshots. SSOL's use for defense was to key the offense to easy baskets. Obviously the offense isn't TOO slowed down or Curry would fit in, right?

I remember a while ago Mike D said he was gonna slow it down a little because he doesn't have the players he needs like he had in PHX to run the offense at light speed, but he still is running his offense.

the coach is always the last too know

Curry doesn't fit because he has no face up game whatsoever and doesn't have the time to install post sets.

SSOL without Nash running it looks like 43-69 in New York and counting.

McK1 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:Other than the fact that Nate and Eddy had many, many, many, many, many, many, many chances to get on board with the team and they never did and Bender just got here is playing ok considering his 3 years off, and is willing to fit into the system that Eddy and Nate are fighting, I guess I can understand why Bender is getting more time...

what r u talking about?

hasn't even installed any post sets for Curry.

Nate's biggest crime here is giving 's pet Dudee 1 more reason to keep looking over his shoulder.

People here blasted Wilkins for the job he did and he had to start Steph Crawford (1 of the most cancerous backcourts of any ear) along with Tim Thomas and Nazr (which total equaled 4 of the lowest IQ players at their position ever) and still had that team at .500 when he got fired. However gets a pass for some of the most unwatchable basketball ever in NY over the last season and a quarter.

If were black he would've been pig roasted by the media and the fans.

I've seen some bull**** posts from time to time but this one just stinks.
Calling a race card in comparing Wilkens vs. MDA? Gimme a break.
When Wilken was hired there were totally different expectations about what that
team "should have" been able to do. They just canned the "interim" coach Chaney,
and had what people expected was a superstar in Marbury. People expected that
we would rapidly return to a playoff contending team as we were just a couple of
years before under Van Gundy. Of course all those expectations were fantasy,
but it took several long hard years of getting beaten down with Isiah's nonsense
for us to recognize that in retrospect, that Wilkens did an admirable job.
Now we're so beaten down as fans, our expectations are that anything better than
not giving away a top 3 pick to Utah this year is a victory. How far we've fallen, yes.

But a race issue its certainly not. Stop fueling hate.

Panos wrote:

But a race issue its certainly not. Stop fueling hate.

if a black coach spent his first 100 games trying to fit a square peg in a round hole, he would be held responsible.

this ******* does it and folk run around the message boards talking about the [mostly black] Knicks are just too dumb to understand.

I'm not fueling hate.

joec made a comment in this thread:

I remember a while ago Mike D said he was gonna slow it down a little because he doesn't have the players he needs like he had in PHX to run the offense at light speed

everybody knew that from day one. Why does he get a pass for such ineptitude? lemme guess, cause the players are just too dumb to understand. SMFH...

misterearl wrote:"trying to dump some longterm salary for this offseason's FA market should take precedence over anything & everything" - TMS

There is no such thing as dumping long term salary. Not unless you have a trading partner or buy a player out.

A general manager with limited options as Donnie Walsh can always wait for the contract to expire.

There is no market for Eddy Curry, Cuttino Mobley or Jared Jeffries at their salary levels unless you are proposing ridding the Knicks of David Lee and Danilo Gallinari, the best young guys Donnie has to offer to sweeten a deal. Forget dangling anyone else. That direction would seems to conflict with the idea of developing young guys. I say this because after 4 seasons David Lee's game is still evolving. I would hate to see him at the next level in another uniform as we witnessed with the delusional Trevor Ariza.

Donnie Walsh knows what he is doing and is patient enough to let contracts expire or buy Curry and/or Nate out as a last resort. Cablevision won't like it, but they can certainly afford it.

Donnie already dumped Zach & Jamal's longterm contracts for expirings... given both those players were productive players but we also got back productive players in return... IMO u have to at least try & get Curry some playing time now, especially over someone like Bender who doesn't factor into the 2010 payroll at the current moment... Curry has shown he can be productive in the past... after all the weight loss i think we should give him more of a look than just a few sporadic minutes in a few games... there's no way he can get back into his rhythm playing that way & i'm sorry but playing Fishlips 35+ a night is a joke... we can easily get Curry or Jordan Hill into the rotation now but MDA is stuck on the idea that "his guys" will lead us to the promised land this year.