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12/25/2009  3:58 PM
I think the 3's are holding back gallinari's development. he needs to keep developing his overall game, including figuring out how to use other skills to get closer shots and attack the rim.
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12/25/2009  4:50 PM
oohah wrote:
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especially when you only make 40% of them.

Well then I guess he should shoot 20 3s per game, right?

I don't know if you have noticed but Gallinari's 3 point average is dropping as teams get up on him more.

Martin, do you really think that shooting 7 3s a game is a good idea for Gallinari? or having games where he shoots 12, 15, 17 3s?

oohah

silly question. Shots should be taken within the flow of the offense. At some points in the game Gallo in on the floor to stretch the defense, especially when the first option is pick-n-roll with Duhon/Lee.

If you are not hitting 3's, do something else. If they are working and opening lanes for other guys, keep it up.

Every offense in the NBA needs balance: outside shooters, players attaching basket, post players... all depending on what your offense does and what the defense is giving you.

oohah, there is no magical number that is the correct answer to the # of 3pointers Gallo should or should not be taking. Harrington sucks at shooting 3s and is better when he goes to the basket, so we can all probably agree that he needs to do less of it.

If all Gallo did was shoot 3s, then he should mix it up. To say that he is a 1-dimensional players is also silliness (and is shocking that Sheridan would claim such a thing).

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12/25/2009  4:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/25/2009  4:58 PM
Marv wrote:I think the 3's are holding back gallinari's development. he needs to keep developing his overall game, including figuring out how to use other skills to get closer shots and attack the rim.

Marv I agree with you 100%. What I witnessed Gallanari doing in videos when he played in europe doesn't compared with his non- diversity one dimensional style of play in the NBA.

I saw in the videos a guy who could go end to end , take guys off the dribble with an array of moves and finishing strong, not just when they bite on his jumpshot.

I'm starting to think coach dantoni is somewhat protecting him or holding him back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEYvgvsO82w

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12/25/2009  4:55 PM
playa2 wrote:
Marv wrote:I think the 3's are holding back gallinari's development. he needs to keep developing his overall game, including figuring out how to use other skills to get closer shots and attack the rim.

Marv I agree with you 100%. What I witnessed Gallanari doing in videos when he played in europe doesn't compared with his non- diversity one dimensional style of play in the NBA.

I saw in the videos a guy who could go end to end , take guys off the dribble with an array of moves and finishing strong, not just when they bite on his jumpshot.

I'm starting to think coach dantoni is somewhat protecting him or holding him back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEYvgvsO82w

I have heard one story that the Knicks' coaching staff is slowing integrating Gallo into the offense, adding more and more responsibility every week. Could be adjustment after his back thing, could be cause he is a virtual rookie, etc.

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12/25/2009  8:32 PM
My point is if he showed the versatility shown in these videos, I would of had no problem taking him at 6 overall. You guys claim I dislike him or even hate him, I just expect more impact from the last two lottery picks(gallo-hill) ... it's frustrating for me to settle for mediocre impact from lottery picks the last 2 yrs knowing we don't have one next yr. 30 win teams are supposed to draft impact players with versatility and to me the knicks management has let me down IMHO
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12/25/2009  11:00 PM
I still say, Gallinari has very good skills and I agree with Bip, more will come out as time goes on. He also has an intangible to his game. He is always thinking and his IQ is very high. I really think this kid will be better than his draft position....IF HIS BACK IS OK. And speaking to that, I think that is what has held him back so far and why the coaching staff is taking it slow with him.

I said Bird Like in another thread and got beat up about it. THen I said Dirk and still that was not accepted. The kid is young. If healthy, I think he has the potential to be special.

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12/26/2009  3:08 AM
playa2 wrote:My point is if he showed the versatility shown in these videos, I would of had no problem taking him at 6 overall. You guys claim I dislike him or even hate him, I just expect more impact from the last two lottery picks(gallo-hill) ... it's frustrating for me to settle for mediocre impact from lottery picks the last 2 yrs knowing we don't have one next yr. 30 win teams are supposed to draft impact players with versatility and to me the knicks management has let me down IMHO

How did he not show versatility in today's game? His is in a slump with his 3s, but I think that a majority of those he took were shots he should be hitting at the 40-45% clip he averaged earlier in the season. He has gone to the basket much more as the season has progressed. I want to see a stronger midrange game from him and more drives, and I think he has shown us some of this, but if he is given an open look on a 3 he should take the shot.

He drove to the basket a great deal today, hit 7/7 FTA, had 8 rebounds, 3 assists, and played pretty good D. Hopefully certain BB writers saw the game today and saw some of his versatility. Obviously you did not.

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12/26/2009  3:35 AM
Paladin55 wrote:
playa2 wrote:My point is if he showed the versatility shown in these videos, I would of had no problem taking him at 6 overall. You guys claim I dislike him or even hate him, I just expect more impact from the last two lottery picks(gallo-hill) ... it's frustrating for me to settle for mediocre impact from lottery picks the last 2 yrs knowing we don't have one next yr. 30 win teams are supposed to draft impact players with versatility and to me the knicks management has let me down IMHO

How did he not show versatility in today's game? His is in a slump with his 3s, but I think that a majority of those he took were shots he should be hitting at the 40-45% clip he averaged earlier in the season. He has gone to the basket much more as the season has progressed. I want to see a stronger midrange game from him and more drives, and I think he has shown us some of this, but if he is given an open look on a 3 he should take the shot.

He drove to the basket a great deal today, hit 7/7 FTA, had 8 rebounds, 3 assists, and played pretty good D. Hopefully certain BB writers saw the game today and saw some of his versatility. Obviously you did not.

26 / 8 / 3 looks like a pretty damn good stat line to me... he was struggling early w/his J, probably due to nerves cuz his parents were in the building, but he started to settle in & later on... he didn't just settle for jumpers this game, he started to take it to the hole & draw contact in the lane... got to the line 7 times & hit all of them... that's not a good thing? if some other young player on another team were to put up those numbers i'm pretty sure a lot of posters would be complaining that we don't have players like this, even when we have one already playing right under our nose.

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12/26/2009  6:46 AM
TMS wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:
playa2 wrote:My point is if he showed the versatility shown in these videos, I would of had no problem taking him at 6 overall. You guys claim I dislike him or even hate him, I just expect more impact from the last two lottery picks(gallo-hill) ... it's frustrating for me to settle for mediocre impact from lottery picks the last 2 yrs knowing we don't have one next yr. 30 win teams are supposed to draft impact players with versatility and to me the knicks management has let me down IMHO

How did he not show versatility in today's game? His is in a slump with his 3s, but I think that a majority of those he took were shots he should be hitting at the 40-45% clip he averaged earlier in the season. He has gone to the basket much more as the season has progressed. I want to see a stronger midrange game from him and more drives, and I think he has shown us some of this, but if he is given an open look on a 3 he should take the shot.

He drove to the basket a great deal today, hit 7/7 FTA, had 8 rebounds, 3 assists, and played pretty good D. Hopefully certain BB writers saw the game today and saw some of his versatility. Obviously you did not.

26 / 8 / 3 looks like a pretty damn good stat line to me... he was struggling early w/his J, probably due to nerves cuz his parents were in the building, but he started to settle in & later on... he didn't just settle for jumpers this game, he started to take it to the hole & draw contact in the lane... got to the line 7 times & hit all of them... that's not a good thing? if some other young player on another team were to put up those numbers i'm pretty sure a lot of posters would be complaining that we don't have players like this, even when we have one already playing right under our nose.

Word. The way people react to individual games by other young players, you would expect 50 threads on Gallo this morning. But no, he is a 'one-trick-pony', MDA chose him based on nepotism, he is soft, blahblahblah.

Gallo = All-Star, soon. 11 3s and 7 2s, plus he wanted the rock in the closing minutes, he is a leader and still very young. I can't even imagine his ceiling, or how awesome he will be when he is in his prime. Is scary.

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12/26/2009  11:11 AM
16 pts and 6 rebounds per game this month. He's also blocking and stealing over 1 per game this month. Last 3 games he's gone to the line 6,7 and 10 times. At what point do we determine he's doing more than "just shooting jumpers"

Is it out of the question for these numbers to continue to trend upwards as the year goes on? Would it be out of the questiom for him to average 18 and 8 over the course of March and April? Is that something to complain about coming from a guy that hasn't played 82 games yet?

The guy is developing right in front of our eyes. It's a shame some of us are missing it

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12/26/2009  11:15 AM
Teams are consciously taking the 3 from him. His percentage from 3 is going down. Yet his numbers are going up as are his trips to the line. Good thing? Bad thing? You decide
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12/26/2009  11:22 AM
Marv wrote:I think the 3's are holding back gallinari's development. he needs to keep developing his overall game, including figuring out how to use other skills to get closer shots and attack the rim.

not suprised noone has addressed this

Galinari is shooting 39% for the month of December. Wonder what that number would be if he stopped taking so many threes

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12/26/2009  2:50 PM
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Marv wrote:I think the 3's are holding back gallinari's development. he needs to keep developing his overall game, including figuring out how to use other skills to get closer shots and attack the rim.

not suprised noone has addressed this

Galinari is shooting 39% for the month of December. Wonder what that number would be if he stopped taking so many threes

He should diversify his game even more, but look at the shots he is missing- they are shots he is making earlier in the year. He is the type of player who is constantly going over to MDA during the game to ask him questions. One of them is probably- "Should I continue to shoot 3s when I am not shooting so well?" He has most likely been told to take the open 3 when it is there.

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12/26/2009  3:17 PM
Beaslys brain or Gallos Back? Which is more frag'eeli?

Gallos is really coming along nicely.

Beas has big upside. Gallo is white and thus can't.

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12/26/2009  5:17 PM
oohah wrote:
martin wrote:
especially when you only make 40% of them.

Well then I guess he should shoot 20 3s per game, right?

I don't know if you have noticed but Gallinari's 3 point average is dropping as teams get up on him more.Martin, do you really think that shooting 7 3s a game is a good idea for Gallinari? or having games where he shoots 12, 15, 17 3s?

oohah


actually, the shots he is missing are wide open shots.....

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12/26/2009  5:22 PM
playa2 wrote:
Marv wrote:I think the 3's are holding back gallinari's development. he needs to keep developing his overall game, including figuring out how to use other skills to get closer shots and attack the rim.

Marv I agree with you 100%. What I witnessed Gallanari doing in videos when he played in europe doesn't compared with his non- diversity one dimensional style of play in the NBA.

I saw in the videos a guy who could go end to end , take guys off the dribble with an array of moves and finishing strong, not just when they bite on his jumpshot.

I'm starting to think coach dantoni is somewhat protecting him or holding him back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEYvgvsO82w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYBt3mWRA2o&feature=fvw


the thing is player.. how can anyone take what you say about gallo serious? you don't care about his development, because the better he gets, the more of a fool you look.....

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12/26/2009  5:24 PM
Paladin55 wrote:
playa2 wrote:My point is if he showed the versatility shown in these videos, I would of had no problem taking him at 6 overall. You guys claim I dislike him or even hate him, I just expect more impact from the last two lottery picks(gallo-hill) ... it's frustrating for me to settle for mediocre impact from lottery picks the last 2 yrs knowing we don't have one next yr. 30 win teams are supposed to draft impact players with versatility and to me the knicks management has let me down IMHO

How did he not show versatility in today's game? His is in a slump with his 3s, but I think that a majority of those he took were shots he should be hitting at the 40-45% clip he averaged earlier in the season. He has gone to the basket much more as the season has progressed. I want to see a stronger midrange game from him and more drives, and I think he has shown us some of this, but if he is given an open look on a 3 he should take the shot.

He drove to the basket a great deal today, hit 7/7 FTA, had 8 rebounds, 3 assists, and played pretty good D. Hopefully certain BB writers saw the game today and saw some of his versatility. Obviously you did not.

you are wasting your time with player.. He is banking on the kid failing.. of course he isn't going to see anything but negative....

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12/26/2009  5:25 PM
Bippity10 wrote:16 pts and 6 rebounds per game this month. He's also blocking and stealing over 1 per game this month. Last 3 games he's gone to the line 6,7 and 10 times. At what point do we determine he's doing more than "just shooting jumpers"

Is it out of the question for these numbers to continue to trend upwards as the year goes on? Would it be out of the questiom for him to average 18 and 8 over the course of March and April? Is that something to complain about coming from a guy that hasn't played 82 games yet?

The guy is developing right in front of our eyes. It's a shame some of us are missing it


Good point...

I am not missing it, and those who are missing it, see it, just choose to post otherwise....

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12/26/2009  5:28 PM
McK1 wrote:
Marv wrote:I think the 3's are holding back gallinari's development. he needs to keep developing his overall game, including figuring out how to use other skills to get closer shots and attack the rim.

not suprised noone has addressed this

Galinari is shooting 39% for the month of December. Wonder what that number would be if he stopped taking so many threes

don't know.. how could you ever tell that.. if they were bad threes, that would be one thing, but he is shooting wide open threes. shots he hit all year, and shots we expect him to hit again...

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12/26/2009  11:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/26/2009  11:01 PM
tkf wrote:
McK1 wrote:
Marv wrote:I think the 3's are holding back gallinari's development. he needs to keep developing his overall game, including figuring out how to use other skills to get closer shots and attack the rim.

not suprised noone has addressed this

Galinari is shooting 39% for the month of December. Wonder what that number would be if he stopped taking so many threes

don't know.. how could you ever tell that.. if they were bad threes, that would be one thing, but he is shooting wide open threes. shots he hit all year, and shots we expect him to hit again...

ummm look at the statistics for one.

he is shooting 45% on 2 pts (2.3/5.1 per game avg) and 35.7% on 3 pts shots (2.7/7.1 per game avg) for December.

seems to me the numbers support he should look to take more 2's.

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