BUT

If we get Lebron, I would much rather resign Lee for $10mm use the remaining $7-$10mm of space on guys like Harrington, Farmer (PG), Brandon Haywood, Camby, depth basically.

BasketballJones wrote:

djsunyc wrote:just curious, but how many times have you guys watched bosh play? like really watch him - know his tendencies, what he likes to do...how the offense runs...how he positions himself on defense or what's asked of him? probably takes a bit more than 3-5 games a year to get a good indication on a player, no?

I don't think I've ever paid attention to how he plays and I have very strong opinions on him. He sucks. The reason I know that? He's not named LeBron. Therefore, he sucks. Keep him away from the Knicks, please!

it appears lebron sucks too...did you see the "we are all witnesses" thread?

fishmike wrote:I have said the same thing all along and am sticking to it. If we cant sign Lebron than Bosh makes sense, even if max $$ is overpaying. Sign Bosh and bring back Lee for $9-$10mm in a backloaded contract. A frontcourt of Gallo/Bosh/Lee had a ton of size and skill and is something you can really build around.

BUT

If we get Lebron, I would much rather resign Lee for $10mm use the remaining $7-$10mm of space on guys like Harrington, Farmer (PG), Brandon Haywood, Camby, depth basically.

you need a big you can dump the ball down to at times in the postseason.

fishmike wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

fishmike wrote:I have said the same thing all along and am sticking to it. If we cant sign Lebron than Bosh makes sense, even if max $$ is overpaying. Sign Bosh and bring back Lee for $9-$10mm in a backloaded contract. A frontcourt of Gallo/Bosh/Lee had a ton of size and skill and is something you can really build around.

BUT

If we get Lebron, I would much rather resign Lee for $10mm use the remaining $7-$10mm of space on guys like Harrington, Farmer (PG), Brandon Haywood, Camby, depth basically.

you need a big you can dump the ball down to at times in the postseason.

its a commodity not a nessecity (kind of like spellcheck).

Also next year's team isnt going to win a title regardless of who we sign. Might be a really good, but not quite title yet. Then again look at Bos.. who knows

fans will start asking for a center that can score in the post after a few playoff losses. and that will be harder to find with the # of them decreasing in the league and the new CBA putting a $$$ squeeze on making moves. but if you get bosh now, you get a guy that brings everything lee brings to the table AND better defense AND can get the ball in the post and score or get to the line at will. you're not thinking right...

djsunyc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

fishmike wrote:I have said the same thing all along and am sticking to it. If we cant sign Lebron than Bosh makes sense, even if max $$ is overpaying. Sign Bosh and bring back Lee for $9-$10mm in a backloaded contract. A frontcourt of Gallo/Bosh/Lee had a ton of size and skill and is something you can really build around.

BUT

If we get Lebron, I would much rather resign Lee for $10mm use the remaining $7-$10mm of space on guys like Harrington, Farmer (PG), Brandon Haywood, Camby, depth basically.

you need a big you can dump the ball down to at times in the postseason.

its a commodity not a nessecity (kind of like spellcheck).

Also next year's team isnt going to win a title regardless of who we sign. Might be a really good, but not quite title yet. Then again look at Bos.. who knows

fans will start asking for a center that can score in the post after a few playoff losses. and that will be harder to find with the # of them decreasing in the league and the new CBA putting a $$$ squeeze on making moves. but if you get bosh now, you get a guy that brings everything lee brings to the table AND better defense AND can get the ball in the post and score or get to the line at will. you're not thinking right...

Bosh isnt an elite player. He's not franchise build around guy, but he IS a max player if you look at the market. I would still sign him if I swung and missed at Lebron because Bosh is a great piece to have. At the very worst you can trade him for some good young players.

fishmike wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

fishmike wrote:I have said the same thing all along and am sticking to it. If we cant sign Lebron than Bosh makes sense, even if max $$ is overpaying. Sign Bosh and bring back Lee for $9-$10mm in a backloaded contract. A frontcourt of Gallo/Bosh/Lee had a ton of size and skill and is something you can really build around.

BUT

If we get Lebron, I would much rather resign Lee for $10mm use the remaining $7-$10mm of space on guys like Harrington, Farmer (PG), Brandon Haywood, Camby, depth basically.

you need a big you can dump the ball down to at times in the postseason.

its a commodity not a nessecity (kind of like spellcheck).

Also next year's team isnt going to win a title regardless of who we sign. Might be a really good, but not quite title yet. Then again look at Bos.. who knows

fans will start asking for a center that can score in the post after a few playoff losses. and that will be harder to find with the # of them decreasing in the league and the new CBA putting a $$$ squeeze on making moves. but if you get bosh now, you get a guy that brings everything lee brings to the table AND better defense AND can get the ball in the post and score or get to the line at will. you're not thinking right...

AND will cost about $8mm more. You can get a nice player that cap space left over. Bosh >>> Lee, no doubt about that. Is it enough to justify the money? I dont think it is, if I have $17mm I would rather have Lee + another guy than Bosh and a POS for the league min, because Bosh isnt a franchise guy. Lebron is.

Bosh isnt an elite player. He's not franchise build around guy, but he IS a max player if you look at the market. I would still sign him if I swung and missed at Lebron because Bosh is a great piece to have. At the very worst you can trade him for some good young players.

dude, ur doing a complete flip flop on the stuff u were saying to me in this discussion... u said if it took Bosh to get u Lebron, then great, go for it, otherwise u said u thought Bosh wasn't as good a player as i thought he was & wasn't worth spending a max contract on.

TMS wrote:

djsunyc wrote:just curious, but how many times have you guys watched bosh play? like really watch him - know his tendencies, what he likes to do...how the offense runs...how he positions himself on defense or what's asked of him? probably takes a bit more than 3-5 games a year to get a good indication on a player, no?

i've only seen him in games we play... i'm sure you have more of a knowledge of his game than anyone else here... would like to hear ur take on this... should we be targetting Bosh this year or hold onto Lee & Al? what do u say dj?

fishmike wrote:

TMS wrote:

djsunyc wrote:just curious, but how many times have you guys watched bosh play? like really watch him - know his tendencies, what he likes to do...how the offense runs...how he positions himself on defense or what's asked of him? probably takes a bit more than 3-5 games a year to get a good indication on a player, no?

i've only seen him in games we play... i'm sure you have more of a knowledge of his game than anyone else here... would like to hear ur take on this... should we be targetting Bosh this year or hold onto Lee & Al? what do u say dj?

how can you be such an advocate of a guy you have seen play half a dozen times? I dont get it.

how many times have u watched him play? probably more than i have, but i tell u what i've watched David Lee play plenty & i know he's got glaring weaknesses in his game... compare the stats Bosh puts up compared to Lee & to me it's an easy call to make... u may think the 6 points, 1 rebound & 1 blocked shot differential is no big deal but to me it's big when u combine it w/his added versatility & skillset that D Lee just doesn't possess... Lee's a good player but he's not elite... Bosh is elite in my view... name me 5 other bigmen who are better than him right now? the numbers he's putting up are nothing to sneeze at... if u think Lee is doing well in MDA's system i have no doubt that Bosh could be even better... it doesn't take watching him for 82 games a year to figure this out.

orangeblobman wrote:

djsunyc wrote:just curious, but what makes melo better than bosh?

Whaaat?? Melo is a leader of men, Bosh is a second fiddle at best.

how did you get to this conclusion?