MS wrote:Farmar-5 million
Lowry-3 Million
Lee-8.5 million
Lebron-17 million

I would rather have that depth then Bosh. I think Walsh will actually be able to move Harrington, Douglas, Hill, Chanlder for something very solid for the future if needs be if not the above can be done. Jefferies will can and will be moved

fishmike wrote:
I am guessing you dont watch Bosh. His defense sucks also. Lee's has improved though out this year. Yes.. its not good. Not the m2m part. Rebounding the defensive glass is part of playing D though and Lee is as good as anyone there. He's still weak there but there has been improvement, especially of late. Bosh isnt that complete. His D sucks. Ask DJ if he still watches them, go on the Raptor's message boards and their fans. Bosh doesnt lock down anyone

The games that I have watched the Raptors, Bosh's defense has looked solid, but I will admit that I only see 2-3 Raptor games a year. Lee plays defense, but Lee is still a very limited player offensively. He is entirely dependent on the pick and roll. While his post game has improved, he is still not at the point of demanding a double-team. I am thinking that a guy like Bosh would score 23-24 points in this system and provide better defense, if only slightly. Don't get me wrong, I like Lee and respect his game, but I want to build a complete team where every man can hold his own defensively and score on the man guarding him. Gallo can play defense. You add Bosh and Lebron to a team of Hill and Douglas, and bring back Hughes on a MLE contract, then you have a fairly solid squad of two-way players. I would trade Lee and Harrington at the deadline for draft picks and expiring contracts (or a solid prospect like Augustin or Anthony Randolph).

fishmike wrote:thats the thing.. an elite big man CAN do it alone. Ewing, Malone, Barkley, Duncan, Shaq... those guys never played on constant losers.

dude, we are talking about putting together a team that can win championships... 4 out of 5 of those guys couldn't get over the hump cuz they never had that 2nd go to stud on their team playing next to them... if putting together playoff also rans is your goal we can do that by signing Carlos Boozer or Joe Johnson... most of us are looking at bigger goals here.

TMS.. you make Bosh out to be like KG, and he's NOT. Note even close. When KG was putting up those #s his teams always won. Sure.. they couldnt get out of the first round because KG didnt have any help, but thats the point. He was ELITE and that was enough to get them to the playoffs every year. Bosh isnt in that group. He's a good player. He's McDyess, Boozer, Brand, Sheed... he's really good. He's not elite Is he better than Lee? Yes he is, but he's also peeked and the Raps still stink. At least Lee is getting better and he's going to cost a lot less. So much less that I can add another very good player to help build this team.

i never said Bosh could carry a team... that's on you... i said Bosh would be the guy that draws Lebron to come to NY... that means i'm looking at Bosh not as that franchise guy, but the secondary star... the fact that u think i'm overvaluing Bosh is irrelevant to this discussion... i'm arguing that it will take signing a guy like Bosh to get Lebron to come here as well... u need to get both those guys... Lebron James is the key here & yet u keep focusing on Bosh... David Lee is not gonna be a drawing card to lure Lebron to NY bro... he's just not... i dunno what else to tell u on that, that's just the way i see it... if u can convince Lebron & his agent that he stands a better chance of winning titles playing next to David Lee than Chris Bosh, then i'll give u all the props in the world & buy you all the baked beans you can eat at the next get together, but something tells me that's never gonna happen.

A lot will depend on how the market for Lee's services forms. If he doesn't have a lot of buyers at his price, I am sure he will do what he has to do to play in NYC with Lebron rather than someplace else for a couple of extra mil.

David's young, and will have a couple more contracts before he is done. He may as well stay with a franchise that lands Lebron and aims at a championship than going to Portland or someplace else. I am pretty sure he and his agent realize it.

I hope Fishlips plays his way into a contract dumping trade this year. Then we can go after Bosh, too, if that's what we want to do. Or lee and Joe Johnson maybe. Probably will be up to Lebron to some extent.

If we do manage to trade JJ we will have room for 2 MAX guys but no Dlee unless we move Curry as well.

So if you want a team with LeBron AND Lee, you better root for either no trades (likely), or trading them both (extremely unlikely).

sidsanders wrote:

TMS wrote:Lebron won't have to settle for nothing, he can pick & choose where he wants to go, he's got a ton of choices this offseason & he is the #1 target on every team's wishlist this offseason... nothing major will get done until he picks, & the team that offers him what he's looking for in terms of the best surrounding cast & financial situation will be where he ends up.

& i dunno how u guys are just assuming Lee will bend over backwards & accept an extremely lowball offer just to stay in NY... the man is human just like the rest of us are & has worked hard to be in the position where he's at right now... he's gonna want to milk every last dollar he can out of these contract discussions just like any of the rest of us would in the same situation... it's not his responsibility to enable the Knicks to do anything but pay him & his family the money that he believes he's earned... if the Knicks aren't willing to do it, his agent will find someone else that will, believe that... i don't see him signing for less than Boris Diaw is making, i'm sorry.

is lbj gonna want to bring in a dude who may not have the ego/desire to be second fiddle? lbj is the #1 guy where he ends up. if bosh comes along, how is he gonna take being the second guy? boston had this prob and it worked out for them... would we be so lucky...

I think Bosh would have no problem playing second fiddle to Lebron. He's not crazy. His chances of winning a title would increase exponentially being on the same squad with Lebron, so I think he could get over the ego thing.

nixluva wrote:DW has to do whatever possible to clear Jared or Curry so we can get Lebron and Bosh. I think it's a done deal if we can offer both big money and the chance to win in NY. There wouldn't be another option that could compete with that.

and I think he will.

we saw it last year, 6-3 with bo and craw, but it was washed away for the long-term. again, this year, we are looking great, but it's fools gold. what is about to come will hurt thet short term fans, plans, but benefit us greatly in the long term. don't be very upset if a shocker drops in the next few days, week.s

nixluva wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

TMS wrote:Lebron won't have to settle for nothing, he can pick & choose where he wants to go, he's got a ton of choices this offseason & he is the #1 target on every team's wishlist this offseason... nothing major will get done until he picks, & the team that offers him what he's looking for in terms of the best surrounding cast & financial situation will be where he ends up.

& i dunno how u guys are just assuming Lee will bend over backwards & accept an extremely lowball offer just to stay in NY... the man is human just like the rest of us are & has worked hard to be in the position where he's at right now... he's gonna want to milk every last dollar he can out of these contract discussions just like any of the rest of us would in the same situation... it's not his responsibility to enable the Knicks to do anything but pay him & his family the money that he believes he's earned... if the Knicks aren't willing to do it, his agent will find someone else that will, believe that... i don't see him signing for less than Boris Diaw is making, i'm sorry.

is lbj gonna want to bring in a dude who may not have the ego/desire to be second fiddle? lbj is the #1 guy where he ends up. if bosh comes along, how is he gonna take being the second guy? boston had this prob and it worked out for them... would we be so lucky...

I think Bosh would have no problem playing second fiddle to Lebron. He's not crazy. His chances of winning a title would increase exponentially being on the same squad with Lebron, so I think he could get over the ego thing.

tms noted the shaq/kobe divorce... i would like to see ONE title before a bosh/lbj divorce if the knicks were lucky enough to have them!! i would like to buy that players value winning over $$$/ego/etc (seen enough in the pros to not buy it, not just nba cats). until it happens, hard to predict how they could play. all talk until folks sign in the summer.

etan thomas is racking up DNP-CDs for OKC in the last yr of his contract. would they swap him for jeffries? they are making a playoff push, if thomas is truly ineffective why wouldn't they want jeffries D and vet/leadership?

But any team expressing interest in Gallo is clinically insane, that boy is the Golden Child, why even express that interest?