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[NY Daily News] New York Knicks GM Donnie Walsh miffed at staff passing on Brandon Jennings in draft
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12/10/2009  12:35 PM
he also needs to bulk up a bit. man he looks like a string bean out there and w the wear and tear of 82 games and the double teams he's facing now, he needs some thickness to survive a long career.
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12/10/2009  12:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/10/2009  12:45 PM
jimimou wrote:he also needs to bulk up a bit. man he looks like a string bean out there and w the wear and tear of 82 games and the double teams he's facing now, he needs some thickness to survive a long career.

but if he bulks up, he will be slower, and his shot will be off and then that's it! and your dawg iverseon was skinny for his whole career. he sucked, but he lasted for a lot of years.

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12/10/2009  12:43 PM
Didn't Walsh have a lot of health issues? I know he had a cancer scare and surgery. I think at his age he really needed his scouts more than usual. If you've got a bunch of guys and only 1 is really high on Jennings that could scare you off the guy. Don't assume that the personal workouts alone would outweigh real game scouting done all year. I'm sure that helps to convince you about a guy you're high on but it's not the whole thing on evaluating players.

I think this is Donnie trying to push Dolan to give him what he wants! Coaches do this kind of stuff to convince GM's to make trades why not GM to owner?

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12/10/2009  12:45 PM
orangeblobman wrote:
jimimou wrote:he also needs to bulk up a bit. man he looks like a string bean out there and w the wear and tear of 82 games and the double teams he's facing now, he needs some thickness to survive a long career.

but if he bulks up, he will be slower, and his shot will be off and then that's it! and your dawg iverseon was skinny for his whole career. he sucked, but he lasted for a lot of years.

go ride your bike

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12/10/2009  12:45 PM
Walsh is strong as an Ox.
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12/10/2009  12:47 PM
Seems like Isiah even gave the scouts long term guaranteed contracts...probably with scout options.
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12/10/2009  12:48 PM
Andrew wrote:Seems like Isiah even gave the scouts long term guaranteed contracts...probably with scout options.

LOL, they all have lifetime contracts

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12/10/2009  12:49 PM
orangeblobman wrote:
jimimou wrote:he also needs to bulk up a bit. man he looks like a string bean out there and w the wear and tear of 82 games and the double teams he's facing now, he needs some thickness to survive a long career.

but if he bulks up, he will be slower, and his shot will be off and then that's it!

you are delusional

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12/10/2009  12:53 PM
Isiah and Dolan

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12/10/2009  1:04 PM
He seems very unprepared that's all this really comes down too. I think he took the same approach with Gallo who is going to be a very good player in this league.

But at the end of the day if people are in place that you don't trust or can't get you the information you are responsible for making sure you make the right call. What was Walsh so busy with after the trade deadline? Seriously?

He didn't really do anything this offseaon except hold workouts and play smoke screens all over the place. You biggest position of need is PG.

Evans, Flynn, Curry, Rubio, Jennings, Lawson you're entire second half needs to be on these guys. Especially Flynn, Curry, Jennnings and Lawson. Watch every tape of these kids. It's basketball not brain surgery, get the scouting departments to break down the film so you don't have to waste time.

Poor form and effort on the Knicks part.

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12/10/2009  1:05 PM
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Not a fan of Hill but it's not worth dumping him for Bayless. I think the Knicks will stick with Hill and hope he comes around. Given his demeanor I wouldn't bet on it. If he doesn't come around he will be a trade throw-in one day.

As to Walsh, well, something is strange here, that he admits one scout wanted Jennings and praised him but Walsh went with Hill anyway. Were the other three scouts screaming TAKE HILL?

Also he is now blaming Dolan for not allowing him to fire Isiah's scouts and hire new ones including adding Chris Mullin and one of King/Knight to the front office?

Progression:

Knicks take Hill.
Jennings shows maybe he should have been the pick.
Donnie blames Isiah's leftover staff.
Donnie says he wanted his own staff.
Donnie says Dolan wouldn't want that.

I don't like all of that and Walsh has to take some blame for this.

To a degree I wonder if Walsh actually made many basketball decisions since coming here beyond laying out a plan and cleaning up the frat boy atmosphere.

Remember when he had no idea who he traded for? (Malik for Wilcox)?
Now he seems to be giving us the runaround on the Jennings/Hill thing?

It doesn't sound like he's all that plugged in. Maybe Donnie truly is a President in the sense that everyone else is at work and he's the media guy. We do have Grunwald and Gabriel who are GM caliber. Maybe they are calling the shots and Donnie is just the face that is stamped on the results.


Do these same scouts get credit for drafting Gallinari and Toney or is our GM picking and choosing?

or

Was Gallinari not a scout pick but a Coach pick?

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12/10/2009  1:35 PM
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fishmike wrote:
martin wrote:
HARDCOREKNICKSFAN wrote:Why is Walsh even doing all of that crying over spilled milk? The Knicks didn't select Jennings, so there is no need for Walsh to point fingers and play the blame game- he should just learn from the mistakes made, and move on, remembering not to repeat those mistakes in future drafts.

was wondering myself, but perhaps he needs to send Dolan a message.

that was my take. Seems like a powerplay by Walsh. If you want the best results I need my people, not the last guy's. I wonder how much those guys are making

If he's not careful, he may find himself giving roadside interviews soon...

LOL. The funny thing is, LB's antics did not seem so strange at the time, but looking back on it you are left with a big feeling of "WTF??!!!"

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12/10/2009  1:35 PM
Last year you couldn't really **** the pick up with Lopez, Randloph and Gordon on the board.

Douglas is a nice role player, but his ceiling is limited. He is 23 already and very old for his class and is a volume shooter, but his defense is a huge plus.

Hill was just a very stupid selection and redundant.

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12/10/2009  1:50 PM
MS wrote:Last year you couldn't really **** the pick up with Lopez, Randloph and Gordon on the board.

Douglas is a nice role player, but his ceiling is limited. He is 23 already and very old for his class and is a volume shooter, but his defense is a huge plus.

Hill was just a very stupid selection and redundant.

he's not really redundant. he's the biggest guy on the team other than Curry (i'm not even going to count Darko). i'd like to see what he can do at some point, but hopefully all the minutes for jeffries lead some contending team to take a chance on him for an expiring.

but, yes, missing jennings is going to hurt for a while.

imagine next year:

PG jennings
SG Chandler
SF Gallo
PF Lebron
C DLee

try guarding that. sigh. oh well.

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12/10/2009  2:45 PM
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buddapaw wrote:Trust me if the nameless one was drafting the last draft he would have selected Jennings, I call BS on this one on Walsh's part. PG and SG(Chandler is a SF too inconsistent at SG) were and still major positions of need and they passed on Jennings and Derozan.

I was not high on Jennings, specially when he was calling out players in his interview. Rubio and the like.

I was very high on DeRozan however. I would have liked to have that guy running around MSG. Would have definitely plugged an area of need.

still..I am not going to kill Donnie for selecting Hill. He was very high on everyone's list.

i am in the exact same boat as u... the guy i wanted was Derozan, i thought he would have been a perfect fit for a run & gun system... i was once very high on Jennings too, but he turned me off after those comments he made about other players... just seemed like another character issue guy in the making... turns out we were wrong obviously, at least for now... we'll see how he turns out in the future but so far he looks like a good kid.

& i laugh at people who kill Jordan Hill & yet had him ranked high on their draft lists for the longest.

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12/10/2009  2:47 PM
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earthmansurfer wrote:I don't get it, something stinks here. Walsh said one of his scouts said that Jennings was "very good". So, they bring him in for a workout.

I DON'T BUY IT, Walsh is covering his tracks, DAMAGE CONTROL.

Thats what I'm saying. So the scouts say he's very good, but because they didnt bring a shotgun to the meeting and literally threaten you with bodily harm, they're to blame and not your dumb ass?

What kind of weak ass, bellyachin', "imma blame the next man for my fault" nonsense is this?

Like others have said, if Isiah was still here, Jennings would be here so Walsh missed me with all that. We would also have a million overpaid "stars" and enough drama to power day time soap for the next 15 years but that's another topic.

if Isiah were still here this would be our team:

C - Zach
PF - Lee
SF - Chandler
SG - Jamal
PG - Jennings

playoffs in '09... no chance at any FA's in '10... depending on what your priorities are for this team, that could have been a good thing or a bad thing.

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12/10/2009  2:51 PM
Isiah would've taken Terrnce Williams...yukk!
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12/10/2009  3:02 PM
TMS wrote:
sebstar wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:I don't get it, something stinks here. Walsh said one of his scouts said that Jennings was "very good". So, they bring him in for a workout.

I DON'T BUY IT, Walsh is covering his tracks, DAMAGE CONTROL.

Thats what I'm saying. So the scouts say he's very good, but because they didnt bring a shotgun to the meeting and literally threaten you with bodily harm, they're to blame and not your dumb ass?

What kind of weak ass, bellyachin', "imma blame the next man for my fault" nonsense is this?

Like others have said, if Isiah was still here, Jennings would be here so Walsh missed me with all that. We would also have a million overpaid "stars" and enough drama to power day time soap for the next 15 years but that's another topic.

if Isiah were still here this would be our team:

C - Zach
PF - Lee
SF - Chandler
SG - Jamal
PG - Jennings

playoffs in '09... no chance at any FA's in '10... depending on what your priorities are for this team, that could have been a good thing or a bad thing.

not exactly. Isiah tried to trade Zach at the 08 deadline according to Hahn.

The bigger of the two came hours before the trade deadline. Thomas had a deal to move Zach Randolph to the Denver Nuggets in another complicated trade, but there is no disputing a trade was ready to be made. But at the 11th hour, Isiah was at it again trying to tweak and adjust and squeak a little more out of the Nuggets, who eventually got fed up and called off the deal.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/the-knicks-fix-1.812055?month=4&year=2008

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12/10/2009  3:06 PM
TMS wrote:
sebstar wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:I don't get it, something stinks here. Walsh said one of his scouts said that Jennings was "very good". So, they bring him in for a workout.

I DON'T BUY IT, Walsh is covering his tracks, DAMAGE CONTROL.

Thats what I'm saying. So the scouts say he's very good, but because they didnt bring a shotgun to the meeting and literally threaten you with bodily harm, they're to blame and not your dumb ass?

What kind of weak ass, bellyachin', "imma blame the next man for my fault" nonsense is this?

Like others have said, if Isiah was still here, Jennings would be here so Walsh missed me with all that. We would also have a million overpaid "stars" and enough drama to power day time soap for the next 15 years but that's another topic.

if Isiah were still here this would be our team:

C - Zach
PF - Lee
SF - Chandler
SG - Jamal
PG - Jennings

playoffs in '09... no chance at any FA's in '10... depending on what your priorities are for this team, that could have been a good thing or a bad thing.


If we made the playoffs in 09 we wouldn't have a shot at Jennings.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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12/10/2009  3:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/10/2009  3:09 PM
kam77 wrote:
TMS wrote:
sebstar wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:I don't get it, something stinks here. Walsh said one of his scouts said that Jennings was "very good". So, they bring him in for a workout.

I DON'T BUY IT, Walsh is covering his tracks, DAMAGE CONTROL.

Thats what I'm saying. So the scouts say he's very good, but because they didnt bring a shotgun to the meeting and literally threaten you with bodily harm, they're to blame and not your dumb ass?

What kind of weak ass, bellyachin', "imma blame the next man for my fault" nonsense is this?

Like others have said, if Isiah was still here, Jennings would be here so Walsh missed me with all that. We would also have a million overpaid "stars" and enough drama to power day time soap for the next 15 years but that's another topic.

if Isiah were still here this would be our team:

C - Zach
PF - Lee
SF - Chandler
SG - Jamal
PG - Jennings

playoffs in '09... no chance at any FA's in '10... depending on what your priorities are for this team, that could have been a good thing or a bad thing.


If we made the playoffs in 09 we wouldn't have a shot at Jennings.

sorry, i was talking about this year... Jennings wasn't even in the NBA last year

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[NY Daily News] New York Knicks GM Donnie Walsh miffed at staff passing on Brandon Jennings in draft

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