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McK1
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12/4/2009  8:40 AM
franco12 wrote:Wait- MDA likes Tyrus, but won't play Jordan Hill?

Color me confused

he'll like Tyrus till he gets here and still can't hit 3's even after Mike takes the basketball Bible he wrote and lays hands on him. Afterwards he'll have a nice view of the game from now til the firing of next to the people taking pictures on the baseline.

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12/4/2009  8:50 AM
Really.. Do we have to pay for this? Weren't we going to get him for free?
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12/4/2009  8:54 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/4/2009  8:59 AM
I've always kept an eye out for Tyrus whenever there's a national Bulls game because he was intriguing since he was traded for and viewed as equal to vis a vis LaMarcus. Actually I remember that draft well considering the Knicks had lost that pick, and most thought that Tyrus had much more potential. Fast forward to present and Aldridge had a 50 million extension and Tyrus still hasn't picked up his second paycheck. I think the big knock on Thomas is his inefficiency and inconsistency. We slam guys like Nate for their inconsistency but Thomas is all over the place. See his log when he was healthy:http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4132/gamelog;_ylt=AlhUKXKe5KifWEE2.q7hCylWPaB4?year=2008

I can't imagine he'll get any better but he hasn't hit his prime yet. One knock on him is that he's never even sniffed shooting 50% from the field. That's bad. But he's at least an entire caliber of athleticism higher than Hill, who is nice but is years away from contributing meaningful minutes. I guess what I'm trying to say is that we can't expect the world from Tyrus, but he fills some needs and has some real intrigue, especially when his going rate is dirt cheap right now due to injury and inconsistency. I'd pick him up especially for Harrington. If I made it seem like I'm anti-Hill, well, for 1 if we trade Harrington we should see Hill get some immediate minutes and see where he's really at right now while Thomas is injured.


Edit: he blocks and steals like crazy btw, something that's not redundant on this team, and he'll produce a momentum swinging play every few games he plays meaningful minutes in, I guess sort of like Harrington but not in a way that makes you want to blow your brains out when he's clanging horrible shots. And he'll make highlight worthy plays at least a few times a season so that's nice too.

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12/4/2009  9:02 AM
JoeC - I agree. I think it's a waste of Harringtons trade value. Unless Tyrus suddenly turns it around it's taking a big chance. He can really really help a good team out, big time. He is playing very good of late, especially off the bench. We should be able to get a decent pick out of Harrington (if he resigns with the team), a low first to a playoff team. But we already have two high second rounders, do we really want the salary of a late first?

PresIke -

in other words, i am gathering thomas' deal will take away $13 mil from the knicks' ability to sign free-agents regardless of whether we potentially re-sign him or not.

I've seen it mentioned plenty of times. That cap hold is only if we don't sign him. If we sign him for 6 million he counts for 6 million, not 13.

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12/4/2009  9:04 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:
I've seen it mentioned plenty of times. That cap hold is only if we don't sign him. If we sign him for 6 million he counts for 6 million, not 13.

what rookie has ever signed the QO prior to October?

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12/4/2009  9:31 AM
McK1 wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
I've seen it mentioned plenty of times. That cap hold is only if we don't sign him. If we sign him for 6 million he counts for 6 million, not 13.

what rookie has ever signed the QO prior to October?

I don't know, are you saying it's not possible? Then I slightly mispoke, what I'm saying then is just to sign him outright. There was a long thread on this on the Real GM forum and a few in the know there clarified the salary cap hold thing by saying, if the player is signed he (in that case they were talking about Lee) would count at only his salary, and not cap hold based on the QO amount (in this case the 13 mill).

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12/4/2009  9:40 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:
McK1 wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
I've seen it mentioned plenty of times. That cap hold is only if we don't sign him. If we sign him for 6 million he counts for 6 million, not 13.

what rookie has ever signed the QO prior to October?

I don't know, are you saying it's not possible? Then I slightly mispoke, what I'm saying then is just to sign him outright. There was a long thread on this on the Real GM forum and a few in the know there clarified the salary cap hold thing by saying, if the player is signed he (in that case they were talking about Lee) would count at only his salary, and not cap hold based on the QO amount (in this case the 13 mill).

no he can sign it at the start of the summer but why would he?

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12/4/2009  9:49 AM
McK1 wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
McK1 wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
I've seen it mentioned plenty of times. That cap hold is only if we don't sign him. If we sign him for 6 million he counts for 6 million, not 13.

what rookie has ever signed the QO prior to October?

I don't know, are you saying it's not possible? Then I slightly mispoke, what I'm saying then is just to sign him outright. There was a long thread on this on the Real GM forum and a few in the know there clarified the salary cap hold thing by saying, if the player is signed he (in that case they were talking about Lee) would count at only his salary, and not cap hold based on the QO amount (in this case the 13 mill).

no he can sign it at the start of the summer but why would he?

We would renounce his rights. Not extend the QO.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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12/4/2009  9:53 AM
kam77 wrote:
McK1 wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
McK1 wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
I've seen it mentioned plenty of times. That cap hold is only if we don't sign him. If we sign him for 6 million he counts for 6 million, not 13.

what rookie has ever signed the QO prior to October?

I don't know, are you saying it's not possible? Then I slightly mispoke, what I'm saying then is just to sign him outright. There was a long thread on this on the Real GM forum and a few in the know there clarified the salary cap hold thing by saying, if the player is signed he (in that case they were talking about Lee) would count at only his salary, and not cap hold based on the QO amount (in this case the 13 mill).

no he can sign it at the start of the summer but why would he?

We would renounce his rights. Not extend the QO.

what is the point of trading for him then?

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12/4/2009  9:57 AM
McK1 wrote:
kam77 wrote:
McK1 wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
McK1 wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
I've seen it mentioned plenty of times. That cap hold is only if we don't sign him. If we sign him for 6 million he counts for 6 million, not 13.

what rookie has ever signed the QO prior to October?

I don't know, are you saying it's not possible? Then I slightly mispoke, what I'm saying then is just to sign him outright. There was a long thread on this on the Real GM forum and a few in the know there clarified the salary cap hold thing by saying, if the player is signed he (in that case they were talking about Lee) would count at only his salary, and not cap hold based on the QO amount (in this case the 13 mill).

no he can sign it at the start of the summer but why would he?

We would renounce his rights. Not extend the QO.

what is the point of trading for him then?

dump jared or eddy is the only worthwhile reason.
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12/4/2009  10:00 AM
This is a great deal in my opinion. Hill isn't going to play this year we have pretty much established that. I haven't seen TT play but maybe he can play a little center for us. Not having Harrington is a huge plus for the development of Gallo who needs to be force fed and put up numbers. I like the fact that we add someone with a defensive presence. We aren't keeping Al anyway so why not make the move. If you want to hold out for a better deal i am not sure it exists.
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Marv wrote:
McK1 wrote:
kam77 wrote:
McK1 wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
McK1 wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
I've seen it mentioned plenty of times. That cap hold is only if we don't sign him. If we sign him for 6 million he counts for 6 million, not 13.

what rookie has ever signed the QO prior to October?

I don't know, are you saying it's not possible? Then I slightly mispoke, what I'm saying then is just to sign him outright. There was a long thread on this on the Real GM forum and a few in the know there clarified the salary cap hold thing by saying, if the player is signed he (in that case they were talking about Lee) would count at only his salary, and not cap hold based on the QO amount (in this case the 13 mill).

no he can sign it at the start of the summer but why would he?

We would renounce his rights. Not extend the QO.

what is the point of trading for him then?

dump jared or eddy is the only worthwhile reason.

bulls are eyeing 2010 as well:

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/chicago.htm

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12/4/2009  10:12 AM
I don't know T.T.s game that well and don't know enough about the CAP to talk on that. But just because I know nothing doesn't mean I won't comment

I like the idea that he is a shot blocker. We have NO interior Defense and even if we started playing Hill and he quickly developed into a defensive force it would be nice to have more then one player who could defend on the inside.

I don't know what Harrington's trade value is. He's an expiring but hell we got him for Craw didn't we - so he wasn't worth much before and I can't see how that's changed.

I definitely would not want to do this if we couldn't drop his salary if it didn't work out. But if we could take a shot without risking the CAP space I'd be interested in this type of player. If he's good enough to make the trade - I don't know.
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12/4/2009  10:13 AM
DW seems to be wired in when it comes to the 2010 cap. Maybe, just maybe, there is truth to rumors that revenue is good and the cap will not be coming down. Maybe Al/Darko for Thomas/Miller. The numbers work and Miller gives the Knicks a veteran presence to help develop their young core.
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12/4/2009  10:20 AM
OldFan wrote:I don't know T.T.s game that well and don't know enough about the CAP to talk on that. But just because I know nothing doesn't mean I won't comment

I like the idea that he is a shot blocker. We have NO interior Defense and even if we started playing Hill and he quickly developed into a defensive force it would be nice to have more then one player who could defend on the inside.

I don't know what Harrington's trade value is. He's an expiring but hell we got him for Craw didn't we - so he wasn't worth much before and I can't see how that's changed.

I definitely would not want to do this if we couldn't drop his salary if it didn't work out. But if we could take a shot without risking the CAP space I'd be interested in this type of player. If he's good enough to make the trade - I don't know.

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12/4/2009  10:22 AM
anyone have any idea if TT could be moved by the trade deadline if he were acquired for Harrington? He is a young promising expiring contract that could be a huge asset in trying to get rid of JJ or Curry
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12/4/2009  10:44 AM
Walsh never pleased win-now-hungry fans.
So forget about it - this is outside of the plan.
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12/4/2009  10:47 AM
Trading Harrington is fine but as Joec says - this isn't enough value. And since we have Hill, Chandler, Gallo, Lee, Jeffries at forward/PF - what is the point. And do we really want Jerome James back? Chi will be dumping James' contract - he hasn't played in any games this year. We should be able to dump Jeffries on them. Otherwise, this doesn't work for me.

Question: According to HoopsWorld, Chicago is on the books for Tim Thomas' 2009 -10 salary of $6.466 million. Can this be traded? Anyone know this?? If it can, then we add Jeffries to the deal and take back Tim Thomas's salary, the salaries match and we jetison Jeffries salary for 2010.
Final trade Harrington + Jeffries for Ty Thomas, Jerome James, Tim Thomas' 2009-10 salary. That I would do.

I'm also hoping this is part 1 of a double trade. Like when Walsh traded Crawford for a PF (Harrington) and then traded our PF (Zack) for a guard(Mobley) and Tim Thomas. Maybe something else is in the works?

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Markji wrote:Trading Harrington is fine but as Joec says - this isn't enough value. And since we have Hill, Chandler, Gallo, Lee, Jeffries at forward/PF - what is the point. And do we really want Jerome James back? Chi will be dumping James' contract - he hasn't played in any games this year. We should be able to dump Jeffries on them. Otherwise, this doesn't work for me.

Question: According to HoopsWorld, Chicago is on the books for Tim Thomas' 2009 -10 salary of $6.466 million. Can this be traded? Anyone know this?? If it can, then we add Jeffries to the deal and take back Tim Thomas's salary, the salaries match and we jetison Jeffries salary for 2010.
Final trade Harrington + Jeffries for Ty Thomas, Jerome James, Tim Thomas' 2009-10 salary. That I would do.

I'm also hoping this is part 1 of a double trade. Like when Walsh traded Crawford for a PF (Harrington) and then traded our PF (Zack) for a guard(Mobley) and Tim Thomas. Maybe something else is in the works?

We're not going to have Lee/Jeffries much longer.

Personally, I think a 3,4,5 of Gallo, Tyrus and Hill is pretty nice. But that's just me.

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nyk4ever wrote:
Markji wrote:Trading Harrington is fine but as Joec says - this isn't enough value. And since we have Hill, Chandler, Gallo, Lee, Jeffries at forward/PF - what is the point. And do we really want Jerome James back? Chi will be dumping James' contract - he hasn't played in any games this year. We should be able to dump Jeffries on them. Otherwise, this doesn't work for me.

Question: According to HoopsWorld, Chicago is on the books for Tim Thomas' 2009 -10 salary of $6.466 million. Can this be traded? Anyone know this?? If it can, then we add Jeffries to the deal and take back Tim Thomas's salary, the salaries match and we jetison Jeffries salary for 2010.
Final trade Harrington + Jeffries for Ty Thomas, Jerome James, Tim Thomas' 2009-10 salary. That I would do.

I'm also hoping this is part 1 of a double trade. Like when Walsh traded Crawford for a PF (Harrington) and then traded our PF (Zack) for a guard(Mobley) and Tim Thomas. Maybe something else is in the works?

We're not going to have Lee/Jeffries much longer.

Personally, I think a 3,4,5 of Gallo, Tyrus and Hill is pretty nice. But that's just me.

still no legitimate nba center size. you gotta have that big body that can come in and lean on somebody and make them pay. good thing we didn’t waste 2 lottery picks and $10M a year on the 3-game comeback wonder eddy mccurry or the worthless social misfit darko pottymouth.
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