s3231 wrote:I actually agree with BRIGGS' line of reasoning here. I just think it is the wrong player to go after.

The hard part is getting a franchise player (or players) to build around. Once you get those guys, you focus on the role players after. In the Boston scenario, they had a franchise player in Pierce and then added the other 2 guys (KG and Ray) to make the team a contender. If you guys remember, shortly after the KG trade, they only had like 6 contracts on that team. There were no role players at all. Once Boston had the big 3 though, free agents were lining up to play for them. Shortly after, they signed Posey and House. They were even able to sign Sam Cassell in the middle of the season. Before you know it, Boston went from having no depth to one of the best benches in the league.

So while I think that BRIGGS makes a great point, Ellis is not the guy to mortgage our future after. If it was Bosh, it would be a different story and I think that is something I would pull the trigger on.

i hear what ur saying, but u have to remember how Boston was able to land KG & Allen.. they got them in trades & they still had the MLE to use to sign another quality veteran to play w/those guys... if u'r looking to dump all your young talent to get just one guy like Ellis then how are u gonna get that other star player to wanna sign here when there won't be any quality players left over? u won't have any assets to offer up in a trade or any more cap space to land a 3rd star & no lottery pick this year to draft anyone.

basically if u made the trade BRIGGS is proposing, u'll have Ellis, Curry, Douglas & a buncha scrubs with no MLE to sign any decent veterans... is that a better core than what Lebron's playing with right now? i don't think it is to be honest, unless Curry goes back to playing the best ball of his career & Douglas becomes an awesome role player, which is a lot to hope for.

it sounds great in theory to go out & get a big 3 to anchor your team but much different when u consider the reality of our chances to get it done in our current situation... IMO, if ur trying to use free agency to land a star, which is what we're doing, then AFTER u sign that guy using your cap space is the time to go full starphuch mode & fill in the rest of the pieces, not before... in our current situation, we need to do whatever we can to sign 2 guys at the same time & still have a core in place to fill in around those guys or to make future moves with, or else we're not likely to get a real franchise guy to wanna come here at all... then you'll be looking at signing 2nd tier guys like Carlos Boozer & end up just being another playoff also ran with no realistic shot at contending for any titles in the near future... what's the point in going that route again?

Gallo, Hill, Douglas Curry or Jeffries with LBJ and Dwade isn't a championship team.

And that's the nail in the coffin to me. Even if the knicks sign two of the five best players in the league, you would be hard pressed to crown them as champs with so many teamss having 3 and 4 great players.

I think this FA stuff is a load. LBJ ain't coming, neither is Wade, or Bosh(he wants play with Wade or Lbj). So my question is, is Amare, Joe Johnson, Gallo, Hill, JJ2 and Douglas even a playoff team??? Nope

BasketballJones wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:ok briggs. you know damn well gallo is unmovable.

I agree- with that bad back and stiff legs he is nearly immobile.

untouchable maybe better word, yes yes?

BRIGGS wrote:Gallinari Hill Chandler + Mobleys contract for Monta Ellis. We would only lose roughly 5mm in cap + we could bring in someone desperately proven. We need stars--our coach wont even play the young players. If he is available---go for it. We still have cap space for a max fA.

You are a lunatic.

Two weeks ago GS was scouring the league looking for someone to take Ellis. Now he's hit a hot spot because he gets to shoot 20 times a game and you want to throw our 3 best young players (on small deals) and Mobley's great contract to GS to get him. He's a 6'2" shooting guard that needs tons of shots.

I'd be afraid to trade our expirings for him and his awful deal - let alone our entire group of young forwards.

LivingLegend wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Gallinari Hill Chandler + Mobleys contract for Monta Ellis. We would only lose roughly 5mm in cap + we could bring in someone desperately proven. We need stars--our coach wont even play the young players. If he is available---go for it. We still have cap space for a max fA.

You are a lunatic.

Two weeks ago GS was scouring the league looking for someone to take Ellis. Now he's hit a hot spot because he gets to shoot 20 times a game and you want to throw our 3 best young players (on small deals) and Mobley's great contract to GS to get him. He's a 6'2" shooting guard that needs tons of shots.

I'd be afraid to trade our expirings for him and his awful deal - let alone our entire group of young forwards.

thank you.. and yes, briggs is a lunatic.. but this is just another "look at me thread" by briggs used to bash our young player... I mean honestly how silly is this thread.. if Ellis is as good as briggs saying, then there are no group of young players, taken after gallo and Hill that would still suffice in a trade to get Ellis.... A guy who briggs is marking as a franchise and max level player.... LOL.. go figure..

tkf wrote:11 mil is awful if it costs you shot at lebron or wade or bosh... that is the point.. otherwise 11 mil for monta is not bad when comparing what you get for 11 mil in the NBA nowadays.

that's basically all that needs to be said here... the fact is that Donnie is not gonna sacrifice a shot at the big fish in free agency this year so he can trade away all his young talent for Monta Ellis... i don't care how much of a genius idea some of u think this is or how awesome of a player u think Monta Ellis is, it's just not gonna happen.

max free agent $17,310,000
Eddy Curry     $11,276,863
Monta Ellis    $11,000,000
Jared Fishlips  $6,883,400
Toney Douglas   $1,071,000

that's $47,541,263 invested in 5 players... u still have to fill out at least 7 more roster spots using ~$3 mil in leftover cap space... u really think Monta Ellis & whatever supporting cast u can put together after that is gonna be enough to entice Lebron, Wade or Bosh to wanna come play here in NY? i don't... & i'm willing to bet you that Donnie doesn't either... use some common sense... Ellis is not gonna end up here unless u can somehow dump Curry or Fishlips' contract in the process.

TMS wrote:

max free agent $17,310,000
Eddy Curry     $11,276,863
Monta Ellis    $11,000,000
Jared Fishlips  $6,883,400
Toney Douglas   $1,071,000

that's $47,541,263 invested in 5 players... u still have to fill out at least 7 more roster spots using ~$3 mil in leftover cap space... u really think Monta Ellis & whatever supporting cast u can put together after that is gonna be enough to entice Lebron, Wade or Bosh to wanna come play here in NY? i don't... & i'm willing to bet you that Donnie doesn't either... use some common sense... Ellis is not gonna end up here unless u can somehow dump Curry or Fishlips' contract in the process.

First off GS is not giving us Monta Ellis for what we have to offer--no GM would unless they were mandated by their owner to cut costs and then I think you can find a better deal. No matter what we do--were going to run into a numbers problem next year

BRIGGS wrote:

TMS wrote:

tkf wrote:11 mil is awful if it costs you shot at lebron or wade or bosh... that is the point.. otherwise 11 mil for monta is not bad when comparing what you get for 11 mil in the NBA nowadays.

that's basically all that needs to be said here... the fact is that Donnie is not gonna sacrifice a shot at the big fish in free agency this year so he can trade away all his young talent for Monta Ellis... i don't care how much of a genius idea some of u think this is or how awesome of a player u think Monta Ellis is, it's just not gonna happen.

Stop and do the math man--that trade would only add 2.8mm to salary next year. We would have 20.9mm in cap space--much more than enough.

yea, but you traded away all of your young talent? How are you going to put a good team on the floor? plus I am not so sure how well these ball dominant guards work with guys like lebron and wade...