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McK1
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11/27/2009  12:45 PM
been good? do you really think david lee is happy to be playing on a one year deal even if they did give him a raise?
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11/27/2009  12:46 PM
McK1 wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:
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fishmike wrote:
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MS wrote:If I'm Lebron and we get Ellis and have a the flowing core. I think I am excited to come to New York. I think our mid-level will be in play our veteran minimum as well.

Ellis-Douglas
James
Gallo
Lee
Hill

Regardless of the White House tells you things are not getting better, the economy is not recovering, jobs aren't being created and teams are not going to have the money to spend and throw crazy contracts out there. So the knicks can fill in players that serve roles (Lorwy types). Most NBA teams are in serious trouble. Boston, Washington, Orlando, Charlotte, Cleveland, Toronto don't have the money to spend next season.

So if I'm Lebron I look at other teams in the conference Boston, ATL, Magic those are the teams you have to worry about. Boston you cross them off the list at seasons end. You can bet that Ellis and James will ensure that Gallo is never doubled for the rest of his career and we have a young maturing team.


Once you do that you can use the expiring Curry and JJ contracts to take on some pricey role players a team might no longer be able to afford. Ok4, Elton Brand, Diaw, Gerald Wallace, Bogut... who knows who needs to dump salary

bogut, he is no pricey role player.

brand, he locked up for many year now. no good.

thats the whole point. Brand's contract is long and expensive. AFTER Knicks use their cap space they should look to find teams dumping salary and use JJ/Curry's expiring contracts to get someone like that. There is no way of telling who is or will be available

Fishmike,

I think they may end up using David Lee in a sign and trade this summer. Maybe for a guy like Bosh.

david lee wants to play in toronto?

david lee play where donnie say he play, no fooling around any more with mr lee

david lee will be an UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENT at seasn's end. Walsh can't tell David Lee ****.

unless he wants to keep his bird rights. David gets more years and higher raises if he can convince Walsh to sign and trade.

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11/27/2009  12:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/27/2009  12:47 PM
McK1 wrote:been good? do you really think david lee is happy to be playing on a one year deal even if they did give him a raise?

yes, because mr lee understands the situation here. i think mr. lee prefer to stay in new york, i think mr. walsh has been very honest and up front with him, and if mr. lee's track record of awesome professionalism is any indication, he continue to be professional, and he move on, we part ways nicely. word is bond. why mr. lee, OR ANYONE, want burn bridges? can only play b-ball til your mid 30's or so, tops.

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11/27/2009  12:57 PM
orangeblobman wrote:
McK1 wrote:been good? do you really think david lee is happy to be playing on a one year deal even if they did give him a raise?

yes, because mr lee understands the situation here. i think mr. lee prefer to stay in new york, i think mr. walsh has been very honest and up front with him, and if mr. lee's track record of awesome professionalism is any indication, he continue to be professional, and he move on, we part ways nicely. word is bond. why mr. lee, OR ANYONE, want burn bridges? can only play b-ball til your mid 30's or so, tops.

mr. lee also understands the money in the nba is guaranteed. he also understands freaky things happen to knees and backs of professional athletes that end careers short and noone is exempt from that happening to them and now he is being asked to play way out of position giving up not only height but 20-30lbs a night for the last 1 1/4 seasons -injury risk be damned. the bridge in lee's mind has likely already been burned.

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11/27/2009  12:58 PM
McK1 wrote:
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McK1 wrote:been good? do you really think david lee is happy to be playing on a one year deal even if they did give him a raise?

yes, because mr lee understands the situation here. i think mr. lee prefer to stay in new york, i think mr. walsh has been very honest and up front with him, and if mr. lee's track record of awesome professionalism is any indication, he continue to be professional, and he move on, we part ways nicely. word is bond. why mr. lee, OR ANYONE, want burn bridges? can only play b-ball til your mid 30's or so, tops.

mr. lee also understands the money in the nba is guaranteed. he also understands freaky things happen to knees and backs of professional athletes that end careers short and noone is exempt from that happening to them and now he is being asked to play way out of position giving up not only height but 20-30lbs a night for the last 1 1/4 seasons -injury risk be damned. the bridge in lee's mind has likely already been burned.

good points mr. mck1. difficult situation. if it is as you say it is, then we must trade lee before deadline, our only hope, because then maybe lee walk.

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11/27/2009  5:57 PM
i like fishmike's idea of signing a max guy like Lebron or Wade and then trying to land someone like Elton Brand in a trade using Curry and Fishlips' expirings. that seems like a solid alternative to trying to land 2 max guys.
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11/27/2009  5:59 PM
but brand is shot. i like the idea, but not with brand. brand = done.
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11/27/2009  6:07 PM
That idea can work. But you never know.

Although Brand is injury prone, he might still be useful as second fiddle.

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11/27/2009  6:10 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/27/2009  6:12 PM
maybe...but he's almost 31 and his production is WAY down, plus prior to this season he missed 2 whole years. done. he's putting up 11/6, gallo is putting up 13/4 lol..., almost identical minutes
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11/27/2009  6:24 PM
Yea but is it *always* about numbers ?

Chemistry hasn't been considered in the decision making of this team in over a decade, it reigned during all of Isiah's era. Brand would be more useful than Gallo, for now or the next 2 years because he bring more toughness and is a true big man, features that are successful in the playoffs. I want Gallo to get his, and he can if Brand were on this team with LBJ or Wade. Once Brand is officially done, Gallo can get his chance in that supporting role.

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11/27/2009  6:31 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Yea but is it *always* about numbers ?

Chemistry hasn't been considered in the decision making of this team in over a decade, it reigned during all of Isiah's era. Brand would be more useful than Gallo, for now or the next 2 years because he bring more toughness and is a true big man, features that are successful in the playoffs. I want Gallo to get his, and he can if Brand were on this team with LBJ or Wade. Once Brand is officially done, Gallo can get his chance in that supporting role.

that absolutely cannot be true. he's 31, hasn't played in 2 full seasons before this...where is the argument? plus he's locked in FOREVER at huge money..no?? this has isiah all over it i think.

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11/27/2009  6:33 PM
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JrZyHuStLa wrote:Yea but is it *always* about numbers ?

Chemistry hasn't been considered in the decision making of this team in over a decade, it reigned during all of Isiah's era. Brand would be more useful than Gallo, for now or the next 2 years because he bring more toughness and is a true big man, features that are successful in the playoffs. I want Gallo to get his, and he can if Brand were on this team with LBJ or Wade. Once Brand is officially done, Gallo can get his chance in that supporting role.

that absolutely cannot be true. he's 31, hasn't played in 2 full seasons before this...where is the argument? plus he's locked in FOREVER at huge money..no?? this has isiah all over it i think.

i agree

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11/27/2009  6:49 PM
He's on for a lot of money until 12/13, but isn't Lebron or Wade going to pretty demanding in the talent around them ? I don't think Gallo is going to be extremely legit for at until another 2-3 years. Not for a contending team that has Lebron on it.
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11/27/2009  6:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/27/2009  6:50 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:He's on for a lot of money until 12/13, but isn't Lebron or Wade going to pretty demanding in the talent around them ? I don't think Gallo is going to be extremely legit for at until another 2-3 years. Not for a contending team that has Lebron on it.

you're could be right in all of that, but brand is like, the last player you would want to fill that role. he's a shadow of his former self...and lebron has already played with old people with Z for years.

i give gallo much sooner though. he legit soon.

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11/27/2009  8:46 PM
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JrZyHuStLa wrote:He's on for a lot of money until 12/13, but isn't Lebron or Wade going to pretty demanding in the talent around them ? I don't think Gallo is going to be extremely legit for at until another 2-3 years. Not for a contending team that has Lebron on it.

you're could be right in all of that, but brand is like, the last player you would want to fill that role. he's a shadow of his former self...and lebron has already played with old people with Z for years.

i give gallo much sooner though. he legit soon.

orange, u have a point there... just looked up Brand's diminishing production over the past 3 years... i may have to change my mind on this one.

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11/27/2009  11:47 PM
TMS wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:He's on for a lot of money until 12/13, but isn't Lebron or Wade going to pretty demanding in the talent around them ? I don't think Gallo is going to be extremely legit for at until another 2-3 years. Not for a contending team that has Lebron on it.

you're could be right in all of that, but brand is like, the last player you would want to fill that role. he's a shadow of his former self...and lebron has already played with old people with Z for years.

i give gallo much sooner though. he legit soon.

orange, u have a point there... just looked up Brand's diminishing production over the past 3 years... i may have to change my mind on this one.

ask sixer fans about brand... the ones i know hate brand, think hes the worst FA ever... par for the course for filthy fans though. as an outside observer of the sixers, they seem better with brand out than in.

plus picking him up feels like layden+mcdyess all over again. they pick him up and he gets hurt right away.

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11/28/2009  1:26 AM
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orangeblobman wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:He's on for a lot of money until 12/13, but isn't Lebron or Wade going to pretty demanding in the talent around them ? I don't think Gallo is going to be extremely legit for at until another 2-3 years. Not for a contending team that has Lebron on it.

you're could be right in all of that, but brand is like, the last player you would want to fill that role. he's a shadow of his former self...and lebron has already played with old people with Z for years.

i give gallo much sooner though. he legit soon.

orange, u have a point there... just looked up Brand's diminishing production over the past 3 years... i may have to change my mind on this one.

ask sixer fans about brand... the ones i know hate brand, think hes the worst FA ever... par for the course for filthy fans though. as an outside observer of the sixers, they seem better with brand out than in.

plus picking him up feels like layden+mcdyess all over again. they pick him up and he gets hurt right away.

I can see the headline now "Dice-y Situation"
subtitle: Knicks make deja-vu trade for oft-injured maxed out 31 year old Brand

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