BRIGGS wrote:It was very easy to see how good Bynum would be with his size touch and great hands. He was already an impact bench player by the time he was 18-19 in the NBA. He's a 20-10 player now at 22--I think the same age as Jordan Hill and who knows how good if he didnt have two very serious knee injuries.
Jordan Hill didnt look as talented or coordinated as Hawes Thompson or Greene--he looked very raw last night.

well yeah he looked raw... that's because he IS raw... everyone knew this coming in to the draft... ur comparing him to guys who've already been playing in the NBA for at least a full season longer than Hill has... this is Hawes' 3rd year in the league... yeah, he's a year younger than Hill but like i said u can't gloss over the experience factor & how important that is for the development of any professional athlete... Thompson was starting games for most of his rookie season & this is his second year... Donta Greene is in his second year too... tell me how highly did u regard him as a prospect after he put up 3.8 pts & 1.5 rebounds in 13 mpg his rookie season BRIGGS... or how good of a player Hawes might be after he put up 4.7 & 3.3 in 13 mpg his rookie year?... right now Jordan Hill's at 4 & 2 over only 8 mpg in 8 games played but somehow he doesn't compare to these guys as a prospect in your eyes... how does that work? just curious.

Hill hasn't even been given a full run of minutes for any appreciable stretch of games yet & u guys are already picking apart his game & laying final judgements on his upside potential... u did the same thing last year w/Gallinari even after he was out with a back injury for most of the season... please stop w/the double standard criticisms of all our prospects in comparison to ones on other teams... at least give our guys a chance to prove what they can do before u start in w/the bashing.

TMS wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:It was very easy to see how good Bynum would be with his size touch and great hands. He was already an impact bench player by the time he was 18-19 in the NBA. He's a 20-10 player now at 22--I think the same age as Jordan Hill and who knows how good if he didnt have two very serious knee injuries.
Jordan Hill didnt look as talented or coordinated as Hawes Thompson or Greene--he looked very raw last night.

well yeah he looked raw... that's because he IS raw... everyone knew this coming in to the draft... ur comparing him to guys who've already been playing in the NBA for at least a full season longer than Hill has... this is Hawes' 3rd year in the league... yeah, he's a year younger than Hill but like i said u can't gloss over the experience factor & how important that is for the development of any professional athlete... Thompson was starting games for most of his rookie season & this is his second year... Donta Greene is in his second year too... tell me how highly did u regard him as a prospect after he put up 3.8 pts & 1.5 rebounds in 13 mpg his rookie season BRIGGS... or how good of a player Hawes might be after he put up 4.7 & 3.3 in 13 mpg his rookie year?... right now Jordan Hill's at 4 & 2 over only 8 mpg in 8 games played but somehow he doesn't compare to these guys as a prospect in your eyes... how does that work? just curious.
Hill hasn't even been given a full run of minutes for any appreciable stretch of games yet & u guys are already picking apart his game & laying final judgements on his upside potential... u did the same thing last year w/Gallinari even after he was out with a back injury for most of the season... please stop w/the double standard criticisms of all our prospects in comparison to ones on other teams... at least give our guys a chance to prove what they can do before u start in w/the bashing.

I have been calling briggs and many others on some other sites about this kind of logic... Donte green had the best game of his career, yet he makes a thread that included the words.. "bottom line".. how can you have a bottom line with young guys so soon.. I mean between gallo, hill, and douglas, theyhave 73 games of pro experience combined... Hawes has more than that by himself... As I said. if gallanari was averageing 7ppg this year, you wouldn't head the end of the anthony randolph threads....

tkf wrote:

TMS wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:It was very easy to see how good Bynum would be with his size touch and great hands. He was already an impact bench player by the time he was 18-19 in the NBA. He's a 20-10 player now at 22--I think the same age as Jordan Hill and who knows how good if he didnt have two very serious knee injuries.
Jordan Hill didnt look as talented or coordinated as Hawes Thompson or Greene--he looked very raw last night.

well yeah he looked raw... that's because he IS raw... everyone knew this coming in to the draft... ur comparing him to guys who've already been playing in the NBA for at least a full season longer than Hill has... this is Hawes' 3rd year in the league... yeah, he's a year younger than Hill but like i said u can't gloss over the experience factor & how important that is for the development of any professional athlete... Thompson was starting games for most of his rookie season & this is his second year... Donta Greene is in his second year too... tell me how highly did u regard him as a prospect after he put up 3.8 pts & 1.5 rebounds in 13 mpg his rookie season BRIGGS... or how good of a player Hawes might be after he put up 4.7 & 3.3 in 13 mpg his rookie year?... right now Jordan Hill's at 4 & 2 over only 8 mpg in 8 games played but somehow he doesn't compare to these guys as a prospect in your eyes... how does that work? just curious.
Hill hasn't even been given a full run of minutes for any appreciable stretch of games yet & u guys are already picking apart his game & laying final judgements on his upside potential... u did the same thing last year w/Gallinari even after he was out with a back injury for most of the season... please stop w/the double standard criticisms of all our prospects in comparison to ones on other teams... at least give our guys a chance to prove what they can do before u start in w/the bashing.

GREAT POST!

I have been calling briggs and many others on some other sites about this kind of logic... Donte green had the best game of his career, yet he makes a thread that included the words.. "bottom line".. how can you have a bottom line with young guys so soon.. I mean between gallo, hill, and douglas, theyhave 73 games of pro experience combined... Hawes has more than that by himself... As I said. if gallanari was averageing 7ppg this year, you wouldn't head the end of the anthony randolph threads....

Forgive us. It's been years since we've had young talent to develop around here.

BRIGGS wrote:

tkf wrote:

TMS wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:It was very easy to see how good Bynum would be with his size touch and great hands. He was already an impact bench player by the time he was 18-19 in the NBA. He's a 20-10 player now at 22--I think the same age as Jordan Hill and who knows how good if he didnt have two very serious knee injuries.
Jordan Hill didnt look as talented or coordinated as Hawes Thompson or Greene--he looked very raw last night.

well yeah he looked raw... that's because he IS raw... everyone knew this coming in to the draft... ur comparing him to guys who've already been playing in the NBA for at least a full season longer than Hill has... this is Hawes' 3rd year in the league... yeah, he's a year younger than Hill but like i said u can't gloss over the experience factor & how important that is for the development of any professional athlete... Thompson was starting games for most of his rookie season & this is his second year... Donta Greene is in his second year too... tell me how highly did u regard him as a prospect after he put up 3.8 pts & 1.5 rebounds in 13 mpg his rookie season BRIGGS... or how good of a player Hawes might be after he put up 4.7 & 3.3 in 13 mpg his rookie year?... right now Jordan Hill's at 4 & 2 over only 8 mpg in 8 games played but somehow he doesn't compare to these guys as a prospect in your eyes... how does that work? just curious.
Hill hasn't even been given a full run of minutes for any appreciable stretch of games yet & u guys are already picking apart his game & laying final judgements on his upside potential... u did the same thing last year w/Gallinari even after he was out with a back injury for most of the season... please stop w/the double standard criticisms of all our prospects in comparison to ones on other teams... at least give our guys a chance to prove what they can do before u start in w/the bashing.

GREAT POST!

I have been calling briggs and many others on some other sites about this kind of logic... Donte green had the best game of his career, yet he makes a thread that included the words.. "bottom line".. how can you have a bottom line with young guys so soon.. I mean between gallo, hill, and douglas, theyhave 73 games of pro experience combined... Hawes has more than that by himself... As I said. if gallanari was averageing 7ppg this year, you wouldn't head the end of the anthony randolph threads....

tkf--the Scaremento TEAM as a whole is comprised of guys who are 20-22 years old. They have been more than competitive WITHOUT Martin! you think our team could go 6-6 in the NBA if we started a team of Hill Chandler Douglas Gallo Landry? We would be worse than 3-12.

again briggs, all of those 20-22 year olds have 2-3 years experience playing in the rotation briggs. Plus they had udrih playing a lot early this year, and he is no 20-22 year old... why must you make their situation look so peachy... you are so one sided in these discussions.. last year that same sacramento team that started these youngins, that had hawes and martin and thompson and green(whow as sent to the NBDL) won just 17 games briggs... 17 games!!!! boy what difference a year makes briggs.. tell me, looking at their record last year.. would you be saying the same things briggs. or would you be hinsight blogging, saying, I told you so....

If we started a team of Hill, chandler, douglas, gallo and landry, I can see us winning 17 games or more for sure.... after a year together, who knows what will happen briggs.

BRIGGS wrote:

TMS wrote:right now Spencer Hawes is putting up 10.8 pts / 6.6 reb. / 1 blk. in 28 mpg. on 46% shooting, which is actually a decrease in production from last year... i'm not saying he's already levelled out as a prospect, but i'm pretty sure you would be saying it if Jordan Hill's #'s didn't improve over his previous seasons' stats, wouldn't u?

give Jordan Hill the same amount of minutes as Hawes is seeing now & does anyone think he couldn't realistically put up similar #'s? it's a debateable question but even now whenever he sees action we've seen him show the ability to score, hit a midrange shot, run the floor & finish, play off a pick & roll, fight for rebounds, block & alter shots, & even defend a little in the low post... there's no reason to think he won't improve as a player at this point, but only 8 games into an NBA career & he's already being labelled by u guys... wow.

If they offered us Spencer Hawes for Hill DW would be running to the phone.

if Jordan Hill were to put up 11 & 6 next year you'd say he's nothing special, let's be real about it.

TMS wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

TMS wrote:right now Spencer Hawes is putting up 10.8 pts / 6.6 reb. / 1 blk. in 28 mpg. on 46% shooting, which is actually a decrease in production from last year... i'm not saying he's already levelled out as a prospect, but i'm pretty sure you would be saying it if Jordan Hill's #'s didn't improve over his previous seasons' stats, wouldn't u?

give Jordan Hill the same amount of minutes as Hawes is seeing now & does anyone think he couldn't realistically put up similar #'s? it's a debateable question but even now whenever he sees action we've seen him show the ability to score, hit a midrange shot, run the floor & finish, play off a pick & roll, fight for rebounds, block & alter shots, & even defend a little in the low post... there's no reason to think he won't improve as a player at this point, but only 8 games into an NBA career & he's already being labelled by u guys... wow.

If they offered us Spencer Hawes for Hill DW would be running to the phone.

if Jordan Hill were to put up 11 & 6 next year you'd say he's nothing special, let's be real about it.

I have no doubt in my mind--not for one second that if the phone call came in from Sacretomato--that Hill would be shipped out first class in a nanosecond. Hawes is a skilled 7-1 C with a good touch--he will come into his own--he's a skilled mobile player--he will be very good.

TMS wrote:we have a 21 yr old kid on our team putting up 14 & 4 in 29 mpg after a combined 43 career NBA games & i don't hear a peep out of u concerning his promising future... meanwhile you're riding the jock of guys like Hawes & Green who aren't even matching what Gallo's doing right now with more career games played in similar minutes per game

btw, just for ur reference Boki Nachbar was 3 & 1.6 his 2nd season... Gallo, the next Boki Nachbar... yeah.

Tyreke Evans is 10X better than Gallinari. The Sacramento frontline --while young looked super impressive. Danilo Gallinari--for a guy who has been playing pro ball for 4 years now should learn how to move within 30 feet of the basket. I'm not saying anything bad about Gallo--but he is not a top flight prospect--I mean like superstar propsect. Some people on here think he is Larry Bird 2--Larry Bird was already Larry Bird at his age.

BRIGGS wrote:

TMS wrote:we have a 21 yr old kid on our team putting up 14 & 4 in 29 mpg after a combined 43 career NBA games & i don't hear a peep out of u concerning his promising future... meanwhile you're riding the jock of guys like Hawes & Green who aren't even matching what Gallo's doing right now with more career games played in similar minutes per game

btw, just for ur reference Boki Nachbar was 3 & 1.6 his 2nd season... Gallo, the next Boki Nachbar... yeah.

Tyreke Evans is 10X better than Gallinari. The Sacramento frontline --while young looked super impressive. Danilo Gallinari--for a guy who has been playing pro ball for 4 years now should learn how to move within 30 feet of the basket. I'm not saying anything bad about Gallo--but he is not a top flight prospect--I mean like superstar propsect. Some people on here think he is Larry Bird 2--Larry Bird was already Larry Bird at his age.

and that is your opinion briggs.. the problem is, who can trust how you form your opinion.. last year it was anthony randolph, this year, tyreke evans, next week, someone else....

Hey I like evans, think he is a fantastic player so far, but the thing with you briggs, is that you will ride the wave of what's hot, as long as you can use it to down knicks players... who knows what evans and gallo will be 3years down the road when they are 24...of course you are going to say you see stardom in evans, but I am not so sure. Guy kinds of reminds me of arenas without arenas type athleticism(before knee surgery) or gilberts jumper.. evans shoots barely 40% from the field and just 17% from three.. but according to you, those numbers are going to skyrocket on his way to stardom, while gallo will stay stagnant at his 45% shooting.. LOL.

whatever bro..