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Andrew
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11/23/2009  2:22 PM
Mck1, the luxury tax level and the salary cap are 2 different numbers. For example, this years luxury tax level is 69.9 million, and the salary cap is $57.7 million.

39 + 2.3 (Landry) + 11 (Curry) + 10 (Scola) = 62.3M

Probably not close to luxury tax levels.

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11/23/2009  2:22 PM
Not sure where your getting your data from.
luxury tax and the salary cap are not the same number. Let me help...

This year the salary cap is $57.7 million (down 900k from last year)
last year the salary cap was $58.6 million

The luxury tax level for the 2008-09 season was $71.15 millon.[2] For the 2009-10 season, the luxury tax level is set at $69.92 million.

The cap number is based on NBA revenue. Who is saying the cap is projected to be in the mid 50's?

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/article/129701

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11/23/2009  2:25 PM
oh ok. then maybe it'll work.
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11/23/2009  2:35 PM
McK1 wrote:oh ok. then maybe it'll work.

Its hard to be patient because a) the team has been putrid and b) we dont really know Walsh's plan or MDAs motives.

I dont expect the GM to make every right move and draft the best player every time, but this is something that seems pretty feasable on paper and I hope like hell its on their radar. Not drafting Jennings is exploding in front of our eyes.

I am happy to see Curry playing well, but he's not turning around this franchise no matter how well he plays. I think it will be a lot easier to get two max FAs next year than it will be to get one, so moving Curry's deal is paramount.

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11/23/2009  2:53 PM
The problem with any deal for TMAC is that it doesn't make sense for us unless we get rid of either Curry or Jeffries. However, even though Houston can save money this year in many of these possible deals, it will cost them money next year because they'll still be stuck with Curry. If they ride out the rest of the year, T-MAC comes off the books next year. Plus, I am almost certain that Houston does not want Curry anyway. They are a very smart organization and understand that the only thing Curry can do well is score inside. He can't rebound well, block shots well, or play defense well and he commits a lot of turnovers and personal fouls. Houston did not become a good team by trading for guys like Curry. They did it by accumulating guys that don't score well but do lots of other things well.

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11/23/2009  2:56 PM
only likely question is what are houston's plans for free agency next off-season?
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11/23/2009  3:00 PM
I think Jefferies/Mobley/Harrington for Tracey is a pretty even deal and they save the money next season with the deal. We could include 3 million as well
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11/23/2009  3:08 PM
McK1 wrote:only likely question is what are houston's plans for free agency next off-season?
with Yao's max contract they are pretty much out of it. Even with no Curry they are at $40mm. That doesnt include Hayes, Lowry, Budginer or Scola. Once you factor in draft picks and roster holds it would be hard for them to get a high earner. Dont see how they can without giving up a whole lot. Most likely they will wait one more year till Yao's deal expires along with a few others
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11/23/2009  3:10 PM
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fishmike wrote:
Rookie wrote:Wouldn't they be better off trading for Jermaine Oneal? They could play T-Mac at SF and throw Wade a bone.

that said, Hughes and Darko for T-mac works by the numbers

Jermaine Oneil is having a great year for the Heat. He's averaging 15/7 on 57% shooting and blocking some shots as well. Heat are 8-5. Why would they trade for McGrady, a guy they dont need at all, and who would only take shots away from guys like Beasley (3) and Wade (2). Makes zero sense

because he is a playmaker on both sides of the ball and a guy who can make shots from tip-off to buzzer which is something their coach and more importantly Dwayne Wade just called out the heats young players in the press about

The call for urgency and accountability from Heat coach Erik Spoelstra after three consecutive losses has fallen on young ears.

Second-year players Michael Beasley and Mario Chalmers will no longer get passes for inconsistent performances because of their youth and inexperience. They are being challenged to turn promise and potential into consistent production.

That's the message going into Sunday's home game against New Orleans as the Heat looks to end a three-game losing streak and halt a stretch of poor defense.

Spoelstra never mentioned players specifically by name during a postgame media session that seemed more like an emotional state-of-the-team address after Friday's 120-113 loss against Toronto.

But after seeing Beasley and Chalmers combine for 51 points, 13 rebounds, five assists and four steals during a rally from 23-point deficit that came up just short, Spoelstra is demanding effort from start to finish.

``I have to step back and look at everything objectively,'' Spoelstra said as he measured his team's uninspired play in the first half against the energy, urgency and grit that finally arrived down the stretch. ``It's a collective thing. It's being reliable every single possession to your teammates, to our system, to our identity. It can't just be during certain pockets of the game.''

DEFENSIVE LAPSES

Beasley performed up to the standards of a No. 2 overall pick by finishing with 21 points and 12 rebounds for his second double-double of the season. But even that performance came in the midst of several defensive lapses and blown assignments that left coaches and teammates offering corrections in Beasley's ear during timeouts.

``Coach is 100 percent right,'' Beasley said. ``I haven't been able to put it all together, and that's what I've got to do to help the team.''

Chalmers will try to carry his momentum from Friday's second half into Sunday. He had 24 of his career-high 30 points in the second half after he was a non-factor the opening two quarters.

While it might be natural to defer to Dwyane Wade's dominant role, Chalmers said he could no longer take a passive approach with his playmaking duties.

``They're always telling me to be more aggressive, more aggressive, more aggressive,'' Chalmers said of Wade and Spoelstra. ``I have to start from the jump and not wait too long to get into the flow of things. I have to take this game and build on it.''

`GROWING PAINS'

Wade has tried to be patient through what he frequently refers to as the team's ``growing pains'' early in the season. Wade already has told Beasley that the 6-9 versatile power forward is too talented to continue making the same mistakes in games.

Wade needs Chalmers to step up, too. Chalmers took 11 shots in the second half Saturday and also had seven free-throw attempts. There have been 10 games this season when Chalmers hasn't attempted more than nine field goals overall.

``For a young player, that kind of game can set you off,'' Wade said. ``It can give you that confidence. You need these games to show that you can really do this.

``Not saying he needs to try to score 30 a night, but we need him to be that aggressive.''

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/basketball/story/1345760.html

Wade is taking almoust one third of all shots with O'Neal and Haslem taking another third...
What the hell they want from 2 young players?
I guess good problem to have... but silly as it is...

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11/23/2009  3:11 PM
MS wrote:I think Jefferies/Mobley/Harrington for Tracey is a pretty even deal and they save the money next season with the deal. We could include 3 million as well

for us.. if I am Houston I dont take that. Harrington and JJ arent giving me anything I dont already have. My only reason for doing that is the money. I think the thing that makes Curry an option is if he can stay on the court they actually need him. They surround him with blue collar players and have a little quick guard that can get him the ball in motion. I think Curry is a really good fit there and makes them a much better team
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11/23/2009  3:42 PM
The bottom line is Rockets are over the cap next year and have a need for a center which Curry COULD fill. Miami is going under the cap and needs to stay there. Jermain perhaps gets them deeper in the playoffs which is REVENUE. They are not going to the finals but the deeper the more profitable.

Is Eddy really on the way back and servicable the next two years. If so, we dump him plain and simple. Rockets save money, we dump him and for all I care we can waive McGrady.

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11/23/2009  4:17 PM
we can't risk ruining the chemistry on this team, not to mention T-Mac will take shots away from those young guys we're developing.
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11/23/2009  6:03 PM
TMac + Dorsey for Mobley, Jeffries, and Duhon + $3million. Doubt any deal with Curry happens yet.
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11/23/2009  6:13 PM
We don't want TMac for a roster spot, just his expiring. Doubtful he gets many minutes here.
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11/23/2009  6:27 PM
T-Mac will see minutes here if he's able to play, u can bet on that... MDA loves to play the vets & T-Mac is still a very good player.
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11/23/2009  6:28 PM
TemujinKnick wrote:TMac + Dorsey for Mobley, Jeffries, and Duhon + $3million. Doubt any deal with Curry happens yet.

Curry has more value than Fishlips & his 15% trade kicker

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11/23/2009  7:19 PM
fishmike wrote:
McK1 wrote:only likely question is what are houston's plans for free agency next off-season?
with Yao's max contract they are pretty much out of it. Even with no Curry they are at $40mm. That doesnt include Hayes, Lowry, Budginer or Scola. Once you factor in draft picks and roster holds it would be hard for them to get a high earner. Dont see how they can without giving up a whole lot. Most likely they will wait one more year till Yao's deal expires along with a few others

at 39 mil they can get one max guy. hypothetically speaking if the choice is getting Bosh vs re-signing Scola and picking up the option on hayes dorsey than I'd imagine its bye bye Scola Hayes and Dorsey.

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11/23/2009  7:23 PM
McK1 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
McK1 wrote:only likely question is what are houston's plans for free agency next off-season?
with Yao's max contract they are pretty much out of it. Even with no Curry they are at $40mm. That doesnt include Hayes, Lowry, Budginer or Scola. Once you factor in draft picks and roster holds it would be hard for them to get a high earner. Dont see how they can without giving up a whole lot. Most likely they will wait one more year till Yao's deal expires along with a few others

at 39 mil they can get one max guy. hypothetically speaking if the choice is getting Bosh vs re-signing Scola and picking up the option on hayes dorsey than I'd imagine its bye bye Scola Hayes and Dorsey.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/houston.htm

Houston is somewhere around $30M without Yao next year. Cap will be around $55M. With Yao, they will be at $45M+. <$10M left over.

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11/23/2009  7:25 PM
martin wrote:
McK1 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
McK1 wrote:only likely question is what are houston's plans for free agency next off-season?
with Yao's max contract they are pretty much out of it. Even with no Curry they are at $40mm. That doesnt include Hayes, Lowry, Budginer or Scola. Once you factor in draft picks and roster holds it would be hard for them to get a high earner. Dont see how they can without giving up a whole lot. Most likely they will wait one more year till Yao's deal expires along with a few others

at 39 mil they can get one max guy. hypothetically speaking if the choice is getting Bosh vs re-signing Scola and picking up the option on hayes dorsey than I'd imagine its bye bye Scola Hayes and Dorsey.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/houston.htm

Houston is somewhere around $30M without Yao next year. Cap will be around $55M. With Yao, they will be at $45M+. <$10M left over.

yao's salary is included in that 39.7 mil.

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11/23/2009  7:27 PM
McK1 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
McK1 wrote:only likely question is what are houston's plans for free agency next off-season?
with Yao's max contract they are pretty much out of it. Even with no Curry they are at $40mm. That doesnt include Hayes, Lowry, Budginer or Scola. Once you factor in draft picks and roster holds it would be hard for them to get a high earner. Dont see how they can without giving up a whole lot. Most likely they will wait one more year till Yao's deal expires along with a few others

at 39 mil they can get one max guy. hypothetically speaking if the choice is getting Bosh vs re-signing Scola and picking up the option on hayes dorsey than I'd imagine its bye bye Scola Hayes and Dorsey.

YOou ignored the other factors against the Rockets for signing a max guy that fish stated. Roster holds, draft picks. It is unlikely they would be able to afford a max guy.

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