Ira wrote:This is great news. Iverson hasn't been helping teams recently. Denver improved after the Iverson/Billups trade and Detroit went downhill.

maybe Donnie Walsh thinks the Knicks will be better now too since we passed on signing him.

nixluva wrote:

TMS wrote:

nixluva wrote:Hey if you get more PT for TD and Nate I guarantee they can put up more in combination than AI would.

no way in hell if u gave AI & combined u gave Nate & TD the same amount of minutes, that those 2 would be more productive than AI... dude, in 16 mpg TD is giving u 9 points & just short of 1 apg... combine that with Nate's 7 & 4 in 23 mpg brings u to 16 & 5 in 39 minutes... ur telling me if u played AI 39 minutes a night in MDA's system on this team & let him do his thing, he couldn't do better than that?

You're only using this years numbers which are down from what Nate usually does. TD is an emerging player and as such he's gonna look weak too right now, but i'm tellin you that those two guys given minutes can give you good production. Also TD is a guy that actually defends. When Nate is back to his usual form we would be just fine playing those two from a production standpoint.

this isn't about Nate, it's about replacing Duhon w/AI... Douglas would have been seeing minutes regardless if we signed AI or not... Nate is struggling bigtime this season & Duhon has been horrible... signing AI would have been an instant upgrade this year, no ifs ands or buts about it.

TMS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

TMS wrote:

nixluva wrote:Hey if you get more PT for TD and Nate I guarantee they can put up more in combination than AI would.

no way in hell if u gave AI & combined u gave Nate & TD the same amount of minutes, that those 2 would be more productive than AI... dude, in 16 mpg TD is giving u 9 points & just short of 1 apg... combine that with Nate's 7 & 4 in 23 mpg brings u to 16 & 5 in 39 minutes... ur telling me if u played AI 39 minutes a night in MDA's system on this team & let him do his thing, he couldn't do better than that?

You're only using this years numbers which are down from what Nate usually does. TD is an emerging player and as such he's gonna look weak too right now, but i'm tellin you that those two guys given minutes can give you good production. Also TD is a guy that actually defends. When Nate is back to his usual form we would be just fine playing those two from a production standpoint.

this isn't about Nate, it's about replacing Duhon w/AI... Douglas would have been seeing minutes regardless if we signed AI or not... Nate is struggling bigtime this season & Duhon has been horrible... signing AI would have been an instant upgrade this year, no ifs ands or buts about it.

I'm not arguing that he couldn't have helped. I'm saying that it wasn't worth the risk when we have Nate and TD who can give us much of what AI is able to do at this stage of his career. Plus TD can defend. AI has never been a traditional PG, tho he can pass well. Duhon has actually been getting better at setting up his teammates. He's just not scoring at all. So AI would really only be an improvement in terms of his offensive prowess and as i've said when Nate and TD are on they can be very potent offensively. Now they'll have a real shot to get it going and improve and there's no risk of a circus.

nixluva wrote:

TMS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

TMS wrote:

nixluva wrote:Hey if you get more PT for TD and Nate I guarantee they can put up more in combination than AI would.

no way in hell if u gave AI & combined u gave Nate & TD the same amount of minutes, that those 2 would be more productive than AI... dude, in 16 mpg TD is giving u 9 points & just short of 1 apg... combine that with Nate's 7 & 4 in 23 mpg brings u to 16 & 5 in 39 minutes... ur telling me if u played AI 39 minutes a night in MDA's system on this team & let him do his thing, he couldn't do better than that?

You're only using this years numbers which are down from what Nate usually does. TD is an emerging player and as such he's gonna look weak too right now, but i'm tellin you that those two guys given minutes can give you good production. Also TD is a guy that actually defends. When Nate is back to his usual form we would be just fine playing those two from a production standpoint.

this isn't about Nate, it's about replacing Duhon w/AI... Douglas would have been seeing minutes regardless if we signed AI or not... Nate is struggling bigtime this season & Duhon has been horrible... signing AI would have been an instant upgrade this year, no ifs ands or buts about it.

I'm not arguing that he couldn't have helped. I'm saying that it wasn't worth the risk when we have Nate and TD who can give us much of what AI is able to do at this stage of his career. Plus TD can defend. AI has never been a traditional PG, tho he can pass well. Duhon has actually been getting better at setting up his teammates. He's just not scoring at all. So AI would really only be an improvement in terms of his offensive prowess and as i've said when Nate and TD are on they can be very potent offensively. Now they'll have a real shot to get it going and improve and there's no risk of a circus.

when u have a player like AI on the team who commands respect from other players on defense, it makes the job much easier for everyone else on the team... right now we have zero players who can create their own shot in crunchtime when we really need it... Al Harrington's go to move is to dribble into a double team in the post & hope to get fouled... Nate is hobbled & doesn't have nearly the quickness to get by defenders that he had last year... TD's a rookie & can't be relied upon in crunchtime w/the game on the line... we have no go to guys on this team... AI's been a go to guy his entire career.

Where is the risk??

The knicks also have a responsibility to ENTERTAIN its fanbase. There has been nothing entertaining about this season.

Sad but, I've been watching just first quarters before becoming too disgusted to watch.

Bad coach
low IQ players
players have adopted a losing mentality and it will take an entire overhaul of the roster OR some one like AI with fire in their belly.

AI - say what you want has a burning desire to win. He would be barking at anyone who was out there dogging it. For that reason alone I'd sign him if I were Walsh

Again, don't think I'm not mad about this. I am. But at the same, this doesn't hurt the franchise nearly as much. It would have purely been a move to sell tickets, and if that wasn't worth it to whomever made the decision, then I can understand.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

TMS wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:I'm sorta impressed in a way that Dolan had some restraint here. In reality, we have Nate... he very well may be as good or better than the current AI and functions much the same way in the offense.

If you take a deep breath and look at this team, you might as well just let Nate heal up and give him the same role.

a fully healthy Nate is not as good as AI, not even close.

You're going to have to excuse him for his god awful posting.

Oh basketball luminaries, please shine the light of truth on me.

- 08-09 - Nate - 18.95 Hollinger Rating
- 08-09 - AI - 15.89 Hollinger Rating

Posting BS without backing yourself up with anything real is pretty awesome. Really brings a lot to the board.

One's getting worse and falling apart mentally, the other one still has untapped potential and busted it for this crap team for years.

One's guaranteed to be a new problem for the team and could potentially explode on the GM and the coach. The other one has been managed here for years, and we know how to manage him.

AI's done some impressive things in his career, but come on. Marbs, Hughes, Francis, Tim Thomas, Zach... are we just trying to get all these guys their Knicks stamp for their crazy train passport or what?

If you want to say Nate has no heart and AI's pure heart ignores a great deal that we've seen with our own eyes in Nate's career. How many comebacks has he orchestrated for this otherwise hopeless franchise? Little man has his share of heart too.

AI is at his absolute worst, Nate's in his prime and they are here to do the same thing, play the same role.

AI could tear your franchise apart with a few press conferences. Nate, despite his warts, loves the franchise.

You weigh all that, and how can you go in any other direction than what they did?

I just think its strange that Donnie flirted with him for a week. I guess he just feels like he needs to do that with every FA out there.