fishmike wrote:let me ask you guys a simple question. Eddy makes $11mm next year. Your a GM. You need someone who can score in the post at high %. A big guy that can put opposing frontcourts in foul trouble and get you points in the paint when the jumpers arent falling. Not a star, but somneone that can give you 20-25 minutes a night at score at 55%.

Where are you getting that guy? Who is that player?

fish there's no doubt about that, but what about eddy's career leads you to believe that he's going to actually be on the floor and able to do that 3 months from now, let alone next year?

Q. nyk4ever - but what about eddy's career leads you to believe that he's going to actually be on the floor and able to do that 3 months from now, let alone next year?

A. Same thing that makes me believe that Danilo Gallinari's sore back in Indiana is just a temporary thing and not a permanent condition that will end his career prematurely.

You gotta believe

Why such a rush to consummate the next Walt Bellamy for Dave DeBusschere trade that transforms the Knicks instant contenders? There is no transaction that will fix this thing. It is a series of well-conceived moves.

Forget the free agents. Two stars will still require three competent starters and another 3-4 guys you can trust to sprint off the bench on those inevitable nights when the first line is sluggish.

You need 2-3 legit centers. Eddy Curry is the only center on the roster. That's it. Period. Darko does not count. But I hope he gets some PT soon.

markvmc wrote:The same place as you get the guy who'll turn it over about 5 times a game, won't rebound, and has an adjusted +/- of -16.

nyk4ever wrote:

fishmike wrote:let me ask you guys a simple question. Eddy makes $11mm next year. Your a GM. You need someone who can score in the post at high %. A big guy that can put opposing frontcourts in foul trouble and get you points in the paint when the jumpers arent falling. Not a star, but somneone that can give you 20-25 minutes a night at score at 55%.

Where are you getting that guy? Who is that player?

fish there's no doubt about that, but what about eddy's career leads you to believe that he's going to actually be on the floor and able to do that 3 months from now, let alone next year?

The thing that changes this over the past is the shape he's in. He's not lumbering up and down the court. He's obviously done a huge amount of work to get to where is now. What else can he do to show he's serious about BB? I would say right now he's done everything he can.

markvmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

markvmc wrote:The same place as you get the guy who'll turn it over about 5 times a game, won't rebound, and has an adjusted +/- of -16.

+/- numbers are useless some times. If your team sucks your +/- will suck. You need a lot of data there to paint any kind of picture about what happens when a player is on or off the floor.

The -16 isn't his +/-, it's his adjusted +/-. This statistic is mathematically adjusted to take account of the quality of your teammates and opponents. This is the closest thing we have to an objective measure of a player's contribution.

http://www.82games.com/0910/0910NYK.HTM

Looks to me like Curry's got the best +/- in the league

but he's what, 26 years old? and his skills in the post are tough to find.

i don't think you trade him. i think you still try to work with him.

this 2010 thing has all of you acting crazy.

djsunyc wrote:not a fan of eddy.

but he's what, 26 years old? and his skills in the post are tough to find.

i don't think you trade him. i think you still try to work with him.

this 2010 thing has all of you going acting crazy.

fishmike wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

fishmike wrote:let me ask you guys a simple question. Eddy makes $11mm next year. Your a GM. You need someone who can score in the post at high %. A big guy that can put opposing frontcourts in foul trouble and get you points in the paint when the jumpers arent falling. Not a star, but somneone that can give you 20-25 minutes a night at score at 55%.

Where are you getting that guy? Who is that player?

fish there's no doubt about that, but what about eddy's career leads you to believe that he's going to actually be on the floor and able to do that 3 months from now, let alone next year?

who cares what I think? Its what other GMs think. Look at the NBA and pro sports period. Anytime a player has a skill set that is a commodity some team is always willing to take a shot on that player. Eddy has one of the most valueable skill sets in the league. A scorer in the paint with size. Make me a list of guys that score in this league at 55% and are 6'10 or bigger. That is a rare commodity. Many GMs and coaches will look at that and figure a way to use it.

The thing that changes this over the past is the shape he's in. He's not lumbering up and down the court. He's obviously done a huge amount of work to get to where is now. What else can he do to show he's serious about BB? I would say right now he's done everything he can.

my bad fish.. didn't realize you were talking from a GM's perspective. In that case I totally agree with you. There are GMs every year that take risks on players and a guy like Curry is usually a risk worth taking if he's in shape and playing well when you attain him.

I'm hoping...