NYKBocker wrote:Monta makes 11 Million a year for 4 more years. Is he worth the dough? That is Eddy Curry type money.

So you are asking if Monta is worth as much as Eddy Curry?

Lee
Chandler
Curry
Jeffries
2012 #1 top 15 protected

for

Ellis
Turiaf
Randolph
George
Claxton

So, 2010 salary is basically a wash we may clear a little cap space-- Curry, Jeffries and Chandler are pretty close in salary to Ellis, Turiaf and Randolph. We need to throw in a 2012 #1, but let's protect it and get this done.

$25m under contract for 2010. Leaves $22M to sign a SG and a SF (assumes a $57M cap). But now we have better players. GS saves a ton of money at the backend of the deal, gets some talent and a 1st round pick, lose some talent in Ellis, Turiaf and Randolph, but if wishes were fishes they'd do the deal.

2010, sign Lebron for $17M and resign Al Harrington for $5M. Because we will have the requisite 10 players, we can go over the cap to sign players to the Vet's minimum. I'd check up on guys like Ray Allen, Grant Hill, Tracy Mcgrady, Michael Finley, AI, Shaq etc... to see who is still able to walk and wants a vets minimum contract to play with this team.

2010 Roster

PG Ellis $11M/Douglas $1M
SG
SF Lebron $17M/ Harrington $5M
PF Gallo $3.3M/ Randolph $2M
C Hill $2.7M/ Turiaf $4M

2nd rd pick .5M
2nd rd pick .5M

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Question...is Ellis that good that you would eat 11 mill off of next years salary cap? Donnie refuses to mess the 2010 cap up....Doesn't look like Ellis will be coming for that fact alone...with that said Ellis, Claxton, and devean george for Wilson, jared and Cuttino works and makes a ton of sense.

Ellis vs. Iverson....both players are at different stages of their careers....but they are essentially the same player. Difference is Iverson is a vet minimum 1 year rental. Ellis is a 4 year commitment.

Again I'm just down to get good players....right now the Knicks suck. They have to get better by any means....

Just as long as Duhon eats the end of the bench!!!!

NYKBocker wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Monta makes 11 Million a year for 4 more years. Is he worth the dough? That is Eddy Curry type money.

So you are asking if Monta is worth as much as Eddy Curry?

Saying, we all hate Eddy's contract. If we take on a huge contract like this, we better be sure that he is worth it. I doubt anybody here thinks Eddy deserves his contract.

My problem with Monta is that he is a knucklehead. You are asking him to be the leader of your team. I don't know if he deserves the money that he is owed.

I meant it partially as a joke, but you do bring up some good points. My take is Monta fits here, Curry doesn't. Monta is younger and is showing signs of growing up. Refer to the article I posted at the top of the page.

Monta averages 18 5 5 while under all this crazy stuff in GS with a whacked out coach. Curry averaged 20 and 6 with Isiah force feeding him then ballooned to 400 pounds and just last week completed his first practice without getting hurt. I would do Curry straight up for Monta (money for money) ANY day of the week of ANY month of ANY year (including leap years).

I am one of the guys who hated getting Randolph because I worried how it would affect Curry. I have given Curry enough chances. I am done with him. Great he is 295. He had to get there with a trainer shoving a cattle prod up his @$$ and locking every fridge, freezer, and deep fryer in the area between NY and Chicago.

Get me Monta.

Cosmic wrote:Monta is a knucklehead, a team cancer, a liar, and a general jerkoff.

Yet, he is young and very talented.

If we did trade for Monta, and somehow pulled off Curry and Jeffries for Monta and expirings, then I wouldn't be all that upset.

He has the tools to be a starting PG for the next 8 years. He's a good player. Yet sometimes he's good in the way Marbury's 20/8 was good. And that's not good. (lol).

So I just don't know.

Monster contract, a complete idiot of a person, but out of the idiots mentioned in recent months on this forum, Monta is one I'd give a shot - again - only if we dump all our 2011s on the Warriors to do so. Only then. Otherwise, screw that. No trading Chandler/Mobley for Monta. That does nothing for us but destroy our future and take us completely out of the 2010 FA class.

You're adding 11M salary which takes us down under 15M available cap space. Goodbye max FA.

Monta...is NOT worth doing that no way no how. Monta isn't taking this present roster and turning it into a playoff team. Not a chance.

So it's Curry and Jeffries for Monta and expirings - or no thanks. We can throw in Chandler, Nate, Duhon - whatever it would take to make it work as long as the bottom line is? The only veteran contract we have on the books for 2011 would be Monta in the end.

I think this is the only scenario that I would be happy with. I just don't want to be shackled with another knucklehead with a big contract unless we can get rid of Curry and/or Fishlips contract.

joec32033 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:Monta is a tough call. Dude has a ton of talent and he would thrive in MikeD's offense, all of which has been said already. I just don't know how much you weigh his "off-court" issues or whatever you want to call it. Talent alone the dude is certainly worth it. If we could somehow get Randolph too I would trade my left nut to get the deal done. We can offer alot of cap and money relief to the warriors, which might be something they're interested in. I guess we'll find out.

Oye.....nyk, you just sent a bad touch chill down my spine. In any case, barring your left nut, I think in a deal for a player like Ellis, Randolph is really extraneous unless he is really viewed as a throw in by the GSW.

Seems to me Ellis is actually trying to be a leader but is being undercut by Nellie (I always HATED this schmuck). Every guy has made bad decisions as a youth, even guys like Wade (have you seen the things coming out about his divorce from a year ago? STD's anyone? Anyone?), Duncan (his constant on court wining to the refs), LeBron (I never even knew there were high school boosters!), Kobe (Really, I mean do I have to go there?). Hell even a basketball player with an immense reputation for professionalism, maturity, leadership, and as a stabilizing force like Bobby Phills-R.I.P.-was killed while racing his automobile.

All I am saying is youth is wasted on the young and everyone makes mistakes. Ellis tried out a moped, killed his Achilles, and lied about it to cover it up. Not saying it's OK, or right, or even justifiable, but it is what it is-a mistake by a what, 22 yr. old(at that time?).

Ellis is asking and even going the extra step TRYING to be a leader of a young team whose player's have no idea if they are gonna start or DNP-CD on any given night. And I mean all 15 of them.

good post, and I agree. Other than the moped incident, what off court issues has ellis been involved in?

he is very talented, that is for sure.. seems nelson takes pleasure in messing with the minds of young players or guys he doesn't care for much...

If we take such a plunge, I want them to take back a jeffries or curry...

Either he works out and turns out to be good for the system or he can be used as a chip in a bigger deal somewhere down the line. For me it all depends on if Curry or JJ is being sent the other way so that we're not killing 2010.

With that said, I would personally love to bring Monta in if we can get him without significantly compromising our 2010 cap space plan. Offensively he is a hell of a talent and if we ever do get enough horses that can run the SSOL offense, Monta would thrive big time.