Panos wrote:Uh huh.

Wanna buy a bridge?

Alright Nixluva, I'll grant you, he looks great. I still want to see him actually get on the court, but
maybe, just maybe we can be guardedly optimistic here...

Panos wrote:

Panos wrote:Uh huh.

Wanna buy a bridge?

Alright Nixluva, I'll grant you, he looks great. I still want to see him actually get on the court, but
maybe, just maybe we can be guardedly optimistic here...

Hey Man there's no shame in that! I think often we're so afraid of getting excited by anything that could be positive, that we just get stuck in the past. Things do change. This guy never had any issues with his talent level. His problems were all about effort and it's ABUNDANTLY CLEAR that he had never really made the commitment to getting in great shape. This coach and his system demands his players be in the best possible shape. Once Curry get's his timing back, I think he's gonna have a chance to put up some scary numbers. No one has proven they can guard this guy when he was in bad shape, so I don't see how that should not improve with him being in great shape. This is a major plus for the knicks if he stays healthy.

Panos wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Panos wrote:

Panos wrote:Uh huh.

Wanna buy a bridge?

Alright Nixluva, I'll grant you, he looks great. I still want to see him actually get on the court, but
maybe, just maybe we can be guardedly optimistic here...

Hey Man there's no shame in that! I think often we're so afraid of getting excited by anything that could be positive, that we just get stuck in the past. Things do change. This guy never had any issues with his talent level. His problems were all about effort and it's ABUNDANTLY CLEAR that he had never really made the commitment to getting in great shape. This coach and his system demands his players be in the best possible shape. Once Curry get's his timing back, I think he's gonna have a chance to put up some scary numbers. No one has proven they can guard this guy when he was in bad shape, so I don't see how that should not improve with him being in great shape. This is a major plus for the knicks if he stays healthy.

Its not a matter of being stuck in the past. Its a matter of this guy having a horrible track record
of phoney "reports of working out and losing weight" and coming back and failing over and over.
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. Now he has to prove it.

Uhmmmm He already did prove it! The question was is he willing to do what it takes to get into real NBA shape and now he is in shape. He clearly has improved his level of conditioning to the point that we've never seen Curry this fit.

Look we're DESPARATE for some kind of inside presence. The idea that MDA can't use a big like Curry is crazy. He may not be stuck inside only posting up and i'd say that this makes a lot of sense. Curry as a guy we can use to set picks and then slip to the hole for an easy dunk or layup, is a great option. I think we can get a good mix of pure post ups and high post type plays and maybe we'll see a return of the alleyoop pass to Curry for the jam!!!!

In any event this guy is a force in the paint. We had trouble dealing with Boozer in the paint and that opened up shots for the rest of the Jazz. That is basically what Curry will do for us. I just hope that we can get him mentally ready to play team ball. That was one of his big weaknesses. That remains to be seen. But as a post player we know what he can do.

Panos wrote:

No, he'll prove it when he gets on the court and stays there.
For all we know he gets injured again after 10 mins of NBA action.
Or worse, in practice. Nothing has been proven yet.

Yeah, I agree. I want to see him play some games and contribute something to the team before I get too excited. If he can contribute what he's capable of contributing it'll be a real plus. Maybe he'll even be good enough to trade.

nixluva wrote:

Panos wrote:No, he'll prove it when he gets on the court and stays there.
For all we know he gets injured again after 10 mins of NBA action.
Or worse, in practice. Nothing has been proven yet.

I've never agreed with this kind of thinking. 1st of all anyone can get injured at anytime when it comes to sports. He's been doing 2 a days for a month and lost who knows how much weight. He did the hard part and now all he has to do is get his timing back and learn how to play in this system. This will take some time, but we all know he's more talented offensively than any big we've got right now.

There's some kind of collective amnesia when it comes to Curry and Knick fans. How can anyone deny how shocking it was to see how agile this guy was? How great his hands are and his athletic ability despite being grossly out of shape. He's still a young man and has all the talent he's always had, all he lost was his fat.

Granted we know he's still got to show he can produce again on the court and in this system, but in terms of his commitment to being ready to play, he did what he was supposed to do.

Well, I'm not as knowledgable as you nix, but it seems to me that Isiah featured him, and that inflated Eddy's numbers, but it was always a bit suspect to me. I couldn't see how it could fit into a team concept.

Panos wrote:Some players get injured all the time and some are iron men.
Eddy Curry has shown he's in the first camp.
To refute concrete evidence is just being in denial.
Not saying he can't turn that around, but let's stop being pollyanna-ish about it please.

Panos, Curry only really had injury issues when he ballooned up in weight, which is understandable. He played 81 games when he was in OK shape. I see no evidence that he's simply injury prone for no reason. Jared would get hurt just walking in the mall, but Curry played 81 rugged games not even in great shape. I think being able to play without injury isn't the most pressing issue IMO. It's whether he can play team ball and still be effective. I believe that he can give us a boost even if he's not the best post passing big.

Also BasketballJones, what dominant Center isn't "featured" in an offense? That's the idea. You feed him until they prove they can stop him. The question was can Eddy learn to make the offense even better by passing from the post as well. What you want to do with a guy like him is put a guy like Gallo out there who is an easy target and can make teams pay for a double.

kam77 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

"I haven't been weighing myself" wtf? Tell us what you weigh.

That's BS. He knows exactly how much he weighs. What person does not know what they weigh? Especially, someone who has been training for the past month to lose weight.

TheGame wrote:I posted this in the other Curry thread and I repeat it here.

I always said that if Curry ever got down to 290 lbs., he would become a top-5 center. I guess we will see. This dude is a beast on the low block, and with better conditioning, his rebounds and defense should improve slightly. If MDA gives him 25 minutes a game, I would expect 13-15 pts, 5 rbs. from him. That might be enough to convince some team to trade for him.

My abosolute worse fear with Curry is not that he will not play well now that he appears to be in shape (I think he will), but that he will play so well that Waslh starts having second thoughts about trading him. Curry cannot be depended on moving forward. If we can get an expiring contract for him, it would be the same as getting a lottery pick for him. IMO the only way Lebron comes here is if we can also sign an Amare or Bosh. We need to move Eddy to do that. I just fear MDA might see the light and start Douglas, sit fishlips, and play Curry on the block for 25 minutes a game and watch him throw in 15 pts a game and then he and Walsh start thinking we should keep him.

+1

Still I'm glad that it looks like he won't be a waste of a roster spot now. I've been disappointed in our bigman situation so far. Curry is capable of being a top 5-7 bigman in this league and if he does that we'll win games and look more attractive to Lebron and other FA's. So this could be huge for us.

Also suddenly our bigman core looks pretty good Curry, Hill and Darko is a decent group if you can get the PG situation fixed. I could live with that group this year. Having Curry should help the other two to develop by working against each other in practice.

BasketballJones wrote:

Panos wrote:

No, he'll prove it when he gets on the court and stays there.
For all we know he gets injured again after 10 mins of NBA action.
Or worse, in practice. Nothing has been proven yet.

Yeah, I agree. I want to see him play some games and contribute something to the team before I get too excited. If he can contribute what he's capable of contributing it'll be a real plus. Maybe he'll even be good enough to trade.

Yup. The only way to look at the Curry saga at this point.

He has lost the weight, but has yet to go through the wear and tear that seems to cause him to fall apart physically.

I'm going day to day with this guy, hoping for the best, but still expecting something to derail him.

As far as I'm concerned, until I see EC on the court running the floor for 20MPG, the only curry I can be sure of enjoying in the future is the stuff my local Indian restaurant puts on my vegetables.

nixluva wrote:I repeat that when Curry's weight was under control he played 81 games and was a beast. He's broken down due to being fat and out of shape. His history isn't like Jared who has been brittle. Curry just never really stayed in top condition. Maybe now we can see what he's really capable of when his weight isn't a hindrance.

Beast, hardly. He could score. He was never disciplined or tough or a 2-way player or... a beast.
Believe me, nix, I wanted him to come around and be a part of this team, but he burnt me one too many times.
Now he has to prove it.