At this point, no one can really say whether this kid is a starter. He will never be Chris Paul, but he certainly could turn into a Sam Cassell/Mookie Blaylock type pg. All we need is a starting caliber pg, we don't have to have a superstar pg. If we get Lebron and Gallo and Chandler continue to develop, the pg just needs to keep everyone happy.

The thing I like most about TD is that he has the mentality that when the game is on the line, I am going to take the shot. That is a winner's mentality and that is the reason he was able to lead the team back. That is the type of mentality that you need out of your point guard because he has to lead the team when things are falling apart. Duhon does not possess that talent.

JohnWallace44 wrote:Not really. What's his go-to skill? Can you picture him being in the top half of the PG's in the East?

Rose
Harris
Rondo
Nelson
Jennings
Lou Williams
Arenas

I think Douglas most certainly has a go-to skill.. two in fact:
1) he takes care of the ball
2) he's a top flight defender

Then factor in he was a top scorer in the ACC and quickly earned a rep for being one of the clutch players in CBB (go look at his games against the superior teams)

He's got a great work ethic and attitude.

There isnt a single good reason that Douglas cant develop into a Chauncy Billups type (at least poor man's). A guy that can lock down the opposing PG and give you 15/7/3 a night. Maybe not the 10 assist guy like Nash or CP3 or Kidd but a heady guy that takes care of the ball and makes big shots.

And then again he might be the next Earl Watson, but he was a hell of a better CBB player than Watson. I think his upside is pretty goood

Panos wrote:JW, I don't know what your obsession is with height at the PG position.
For every GREAT PG you can name 6'5" or taller, I'm sure we could name 2x as many 6'3" or shorter.
You don't need long arms to be a PG.

It's an appealing quality, if you can couple court vision and passing skills with height, then people assume that you will be a better PG for it. But it can't be the case if you consider it in terms of systems thinking. Changing just one variable, such as height, makes an entirely different animal.

I am reminded of a friend, who was 5'8" or so on a good day, but always had terrible height complexes. He would always remark that "IF i had your height, i would blahblahblah", but it doesn't work that way. If you had my height, you wouldn't have the other qualities that are dictated by your current stature. It doesn't relate.

Put it this way, does having 2 ears instead of 1 make you hear TWICE AS GOOD? No. It allows you to hear in stereo, which is a unique (emergent) property that arises out of the system as a whole (system of hearing).

JohnWallace44 wrote:There is a reason that he can't be a top PG. List your top ten PG's in the league. Now how many is Douglas bigger than? Is that going to give us an advantage or a disadvantage.

Dude had a good night. He's got limitations. It's not like I'm saying he should be cut.

Where are all the Gallo lovers after he had one good game? Let's see these guys play a little. They both have positives.

I'm just saying that Douglas is going to have a tough time dealing with the better PG's in this league because he's smaller than them. Where does that fact come into play on the court? How many times did he finish at the rim last night? How many assists did he have?

Could it be that he can't deal with the size of Deron Williams and can't pass around him or get through him and to the rim? That's going to be a problem.

That shot at the end of the game? A bigger guard has more options that trying an up and under move there.

you must be really down on Jennings, CP3 and Isiah too.

Panos wrote:JW, I don't know what your obsession is with height at the PG position.
For every GREAT PG you can name 6'5" or taller, I'm sure we could name 2x as many 6'3" or shorter.
You don't need long arms to be a PG.

Panos, there were many great PG's that were shorter than 6'3". There were.

Chris Paul is the only top-flight point guard in the league that is shorter than TD. He is the exception now, not the rule.

Aren't we going to have to get through Rondo and Rose to get to where we want to go? I thought our goal was to win a championship.

Particularly in this system I think its a big advantage to be able to see the whole floor.

TheGame wrote:
He just dealt with Deron Williams who has about 2 inches and 20 lbs on him and he seemed just fine.

1 assist

Nate can do that too. Its just harder for a guy who doesn't have ideal size to make the passes that change this system from a gimmick to a serious advantage.

martin wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Toney Douglas is 6'2"
Deron Williams is 6'3"
CP3 is 6'
Rondo is 6'1"
Jameer Nelson is 6'...maybe
Brandon Jennings is 6'1"
Lou Williams is 6'2"
Gilbert Arenas is 6'4"..is he a PG?
Devin Harris is 6'3"
Derrick Rose is 6'3"

Who exactly is 6'5" or taller? TD has the size for a PG. He has the speed. He has an outside shot. He is athletic. He has the work ethic.

Seems to me TD is a better defender than more than half that list already.

Nate is really short and he can dunk on so many people

martin wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Toney Douglas is 6'2"
Deron Williams is 6'3"
CP3 is 6'
Rondo is 6'1"
Jameer Nelson is 6'...maybe
Brandon Jennings is 6'1"
Lou Williams is 6'2"
Gilbert Arenas is 6'4"..is he a PG?
Devin Harris is 6'3"
Derrick Rose is 6'3"

Who exactly is 6'5" or taller? TD has the size for a PG. He has the speed. He has an outside shot. He is athletic. He has the work ethic.

Seems to me TD is a better defender than more than half that list already.

More than half in my opinion.

NYKBocker wrote:Toney Douglas is 6'2"
Deron Williams is 6'3"
CP3 is 6'
Rondo is 6'1"
Jameer Nelson is 6'...maybe
Brandon Jennings is 6'1"
Lou Williams is 6'2"
Gilbert Arenas is 6'4"..is he a PG?
Devin Harris is 6'3"
Derrick Rose is 6'3"

Who exactly is 6'5" or taller? TD has the size for a PG. He has the speed. He has an outside shot. He is athletic. He has the work ethic.

I'm just going by the NBA.com listed heights. TD is 6'1". What's his wingspan versus these guys? I'll bet you a shiny nickle that its not up to par with these guys. He's smaller than the majority of elite point guards in the league. That's a measurable fact.

Teague is 6'0", but he's got a 6'7" wingspan. Rose's is 6'8".

The short guys on this list; Jennings, Paul and Nelson... what's different about them? They're pure point guards who've been playing that position their whole life.

If Douglas comes out and orchestrates the offense next game instead of just scoring then I guess I'll just have to shut up. I believe what my eyes tell me and my eyes tell me that he's a decent bench guard that we pulled from the bottom of the draft. That's not a bad thing. Its a piece that we needed to have.

There are six guys that could be in the next draft who are 6'3 or taller. I hope we can snag one of them. Just my opinion but I think that one of them should be targeted to run this offense.