nixluva wrote:Avery is a good coach but not the FA recruiting magnet MDA is. If we don't turn this around this year I'd be shocked but let's say we don't. We will have to really sell FA's on cap space in 2010 and 2011 and style of play with MDA that most players love. Walsh is gonna need some kind of move to get the ball rolling so FA's will have more confidence the team will be better. So long as Gallo, Hill and TD kelp showing progress I think that will be enough to lure FA's despite our final record.

what notable FA's did MDA recruit to Phoenix besides an aged needing a third chance grant hill? for all mda's great appeal joe johnson still wanted out, later so did marion, and stoudamire.

McK1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Avery is a good coach but not the FA recruiting magnet MDA is. If we don't turn this around this year I'd be shocked but let's say we don't. We will have to really sell FA's on cap space in 2010 and 2011 and style of play with MDA that most players love. Walsh is gonna need some kind of move to get the ball rolling so FA's will have more confidence the team will be better. So long as Gallo, Hill and TD kelp showing progress I think that will be enough to lure FA's despite our final record.

what notable FA's did MDA recruit to Phoenix besides an aged needing a third chance grant hill? for all mda's great appeal joe johnson still wanted out, later so did marion, and stoudamire.

LOL, all of those guys wanted $$$. The owner f'ed that up, not MDA.

jimimou wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:D'Antoni should coach some effort from these guys.

jones - broken record. each year, each squad, the last 7-8 years, its always the same thing, the coach needs to coach some effort....remember larry - "i didnt think i would need to coach effort". that's something you would think players brough to the game instiinctively.

teams a mess, coaching decisions are a mess and from the games i have seen this season, the knicks have packed it in with more than 70 games to play. disgraceful franchise.

that's harsh man. if you would just say fence when i say de, we'd be much further along.

McK1 wrote:

martin wrote:

McK1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Avery is a good coach but not the FA recruiting magnet MDA is. If we don't turn this around this year I'd be shocked but let's say we don't. We will have to really sell FA's on cap space in 2010 and 2011 and style of play with MDA that most players love. Walsh is gonna need some kind of move to get the ball rolling so FA's will have more confidence the team will be better. So long as Gallo, Hill and TD kelp showing progress I think that will be enough to lure FA's despite our final record.

what notable FA's did MDA recruit to Phoenix besides an aged needing a third chance grant hill? for all mda's great appeal joe johnson still wanted out, later so did marion, and stoudamire.

LOL, all of those guys wanted $$$. The owner f'ed that up, not MDA.

why'd joe tell phx DON'T MATCH if it was strictly about $?

marion wanted out b/c there was no control over the lockerroom, MDA'S LOCKEROOM, specifically stoudamire and his ego

stoudamire threw mda under the bus after they loss to the spurs in 08

Joe also wanted to start at PG and be The Man on his own team (in ALT), that's why he told PHO not to match.

Marion did have problems with Stoudamire but he also wanted to have a more prominent role on the team AND more $$$.

RemBee76 wrote:

McK1 wrote:down the stretch of the indy game mda elected to throw the ball into harrington possession after possession like he has duncan or garnett down there. harrington is not a guy who can post and beat the double and he is also a poor decision maker with the ball to boot. that goes to coaching. on the other side of the court you have lee and gallo, the top playmakers on the team, plus one is your best shooter and the other is your best finisher, twiddling their thumbs watching al fumble away what should've been a win.

Not so accurate. Maybe Gallo should have had more looks, but plenty of others did but missed their shots. In fact, it was Harrington drawing fouls and hitting his free throws that was keeping us in the game.

harrington shot his last free throws while the game was in reach a the 5:35 mark.

of the knicks next 5 possessions harrington turned it over twice and missed a three. lee had an offensive foul called on him and duhon missed a jumper.
one inaccuracy: mda didn't even have gallo on the floor while the game was close.

http://www.nba.com/games/20091104/INDNYK/playbyplay.html

RemBee76 wrote:

McK1 wrote:harrington shot his last free throws while the game was in reach a the 5:35 mark.

of the knicks next 5 possessions harrington turned it over twice and missed a three. lee had an offensive foul called on him and duhon missed a jumper.
one inaccuracy: mda didn't even have gallo on the floor while the game was close.

http://www.nba.com/games/20091104/INDNYK/playbyplay.html

Al with 10 points in the quarter with one turnover, actually. And I'm not sure why you would stop reading the play-by-play when thet Knicks are down by 6 with 1 min 30 left.

cuz at the minute 30 mark the team look deflated. i guess losing a lead to a granger less murphy less dunleavy less pacer squad at home would do that to you. mda pulled guys with 50 seconds left down 8. yeah that may be a 3 possession deficit but not insurmountable especially with a shooter like danilo and a pacers team that was only shooting 71% from the foul line on the night.

al did a god job keeping them in it but in crunch time, we've seen al is not trustworthy. even when he gets the bucket he is prone to do dumb ish like the hanging on the rim incident not once but twice.

and if i recall correctly that 24 sec violation at the 5 minute mark was caused by al holding the ball too long against the double.

RemBee76 wrote:THe play-by-play doesn't support your contention that the ball was forced to Al while everyone else watched. Plenty of missed shots (Gallo, Duhon, Lee) and turn-overs to go around.

At the end of a close game with the other team playing tough D you go to they guy who can create offense off the dribble. Any coach would do that. The only guy we have who who fits that description, like it or not, is Harrington.

the cosmic vid is uploaded somewhere if 100% accuracy is what u need.

as for this satement:

At the end of a close game with the other team playing tough D you go to they guy who can create offense off the dribble

I agree when you have wade or lebron or some other star on your team giving them the ball and getting out of the way works, when your 1 option is Harrington creating, you draw up a play.

any retort abut why mike called a to with 48 seconds left down 8 to pull guys?

umynot wrote:

nixluva wrote:STOP IT!!!!! GEEZ! Can we just accept that we have several players slumping, not playing up to par and no leader on the floor? Duhon, Chan and Nate when he was playing have been horrid!!! Then you have Al just being Al. This is not the best this team can play and I guarantee this team will play better than this. MDA had trouble setting his lineup out of preseason cuz no one was playing well and they continue to suck now.

No coach can get wins with a team this bad if they can't make a shot and then let that effect how they defend. That's always been our weakness. They only defend when they're making shots. My take is they'll eventually play better and get back to near mediocre level we all predicted.

I totally agree!! The coach is trying to get the best out of this group but other then D Lee and Gallo no one here cares about anything other then a contract!!!

Which Duhon even said himself!! Duhon has been given the freedom and the trust to be free by Coach D and he is the one who is failing right now!!!

Last year I saw glimpses of what he can do if he cared enough to do it!!

He was Avg about 9 dimes a game which is no joke!!!

But since then he seems to think he is better then he is!!

Plays outside his game and against what the coach expects!!

And he def seems not to like Gallo at all!!........... Think its because Gallo's future is secure already and Chris is playing for a contract..... He doesnt ignore Al nor D Lee........ He even passes way too much to fishlips.

Duhon is to blame way more then the coach!!

so you're actually blaming walsh for not drafting or signing a viable option to duhon (esp since the organization doesnt seem to believe nate can handle pg responsibilities full-time) in case he falters, some1 gets injured, etc.

I concur. Walsh is not innocent in this debacle either

McK1 wrote:read the ledger wrong. he pulled them after the miss at 30. odd it took 18 seconds to free gallo for a 3pt attempt.

You mean just over 8 seconds?

You really need to work on those "ledger" reading skills.

PresIke wrote:i thought the word was avery johnson got on players' nerves?

Yeah, we wouldn't want that. We don't want these players disturbed.