JohnWallace44 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:Dude, D'Antoni wasn't brought here to coach these guys, he was brought here to coach the guys 2010 and after. Say whatever you want, you can think it's really dumb, you can get really mad, but like it or not that's why he was brought here and I'm completely fine with that.

Again, if that's the case, just close the Garden doors and send all the ticketholders their money back.

The coach and the players need to put out a better effort than this.

If you have players with a -25 +/- (Duhon) then that player can't get sent out there the next game. There needs to be some accountability.

If the players aren't that good what do you want D'Antoni to do? This team is full of young players with no experience and then throw in guys like Lee, Nate and Harrington who are vets but really just average players. What coach is going to turn water into wine?

nyk4ever wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:Dude, D'Antoni wasn't brought here to coach these guys, he was brought here to coach the guys 2010 and after. Say whatever you want, you can think it's really dumb, you can get really mad, but like it or not that's why he was brought here and I'm completely fine with that.

Again, if that's the case, just close the Garden doors and send all the ticketholders their money back.

The coach and the players need to put out a better effort than this.

If you have players with a -25 +/- (Duhon) then that player can't get sent out there the next game. There needs to be some accountability.

If the players aren't that good what do you want D'Antoni to do? This team is full of young players with no experience and then throw in guys like Lee, Nate and Harrington who are vets but really just average players. What coach is going to turn water into wine?

So you agree that Walsh has been a terrible GM then?

This was the first game of the season, so it's a little different, but when this team goes into slumps it seems like there's no thought to change the offense into anything more efficient. We don't have a player outside of Nate that can get to the line, which is what Wade does when his team is struggling.

JohnWallace44 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:Dude, D'Antoni wasn't brought here to coach these guys, he was brought here to coach the guys 2010 and after. Say whatever you want, you can think it's really dumb, you can get really mad, but like it or not that's why he was brought here and I'm completely fine with that.

Again, if that's the case, just close the Garden doors and send all the ticketholders their money back.

The coach and the players need to put out a better effort than this.

If you have players with a -25 +/- (Duhon) then that player can't get sent out there the next game. There needs to be some accountability.

If the players aren't that good what do you want D'Antoni to do? This team is full of young players with no experience and then throw in guys like Lee, Nate and Harrington who are vets but really just average players. What coach is going to turn water into wine?

So you agree that Walsh has been a terrible GM then?

This was the first game of the season, so it's a little different, but when this team goes into slumps it seems like there's no thought to change the offense into anything more efficient. We don't have a player outside of Nate that can get to the line, which is what Wade does when his team is struggling.

No I don't agree that Walsh has been a terrible GM. He had a plan to target players in the 2010 FA and in the meantime to get rid of the glut of crap on this team, which so far he has done pretty well. I think this team is very average and if you add a max FA and another FA to it, then you got something.

If Walsh comes away from this upcoming summer empty then I will certainly agree with you that his plan was terrible but I don't see that happening.

JohnWallace44 wrote:So the players are no good in year two, but the GM's done pretty well? Not bad work if you can get it.

What if Walsh lets everyone walk this offseason, signs Rudy Gay, Chris Bosh, trades Chandler and Curry (salary dump) to the Bucks for Bogut and Toney Douglas shows he's a decent PG in this league? Then your filling out a roster around a frontcourt of Bosh, Gallo, Bogut and Jordan Hill.

I dont know whats going to happen. I do know Walsh is cleaning the canvas before he paints a picture.

Is it too bad he didnt catch fire with one of these draft picks? Sure.. its a bummer, but every GM swings and misses. Other times players just take longer than expected.

JohnWallace44 wrote:So you agree that Walsh has been a terrible GM then?

Did you call on posters to back up their posts with facts previously?

You characterize Colganleo as a GM who is running circles around other GM's (or something like that) and yet his track record as a GM (team record) has gone down every year. Donnie's with NY on a MUCH worse team when he took over has actually gone UP and you call him terrible.

Disagree with his moves as much as you want, but the way you whimsically rate GM's leaves a lot of confusion.

JohnWallace44 wrote:How's that for a post Martin? Let's see your strong take backing up your boy Walsh.

in the end, team record matters the most, right?

How can you characterize his time in TOR as anything other than, his team has gotten progressively worse every year except for the very first. He inherited an all-star PF and the #1 pick, albeit in a weak-ass draft. Turkoglu is a very good pickup.

Any commentary that starts with DeRozan was a nice move speaks to personal opinion and not what has been shown in the league, unless you are into 1 game snapshots.

Donnie is not my boy, he is just the GM. Are we in the hood, who talks like that?

JohnWallace44 wrote:Again, DeRozan starts for his team. He's younger than Hill. He plays a position where we lack a true fit. Call it a one game snapshot, but he's been performing over the SL and the Preseason and he's having an impact for a team with big expectations.

Colangelo is a GM that thinks outside of the box and always seems to be doing something creative. That's all I mean. Buford, Presti, Morey... these guys just seem to be handling their business better than the rest.

I don't see MaxFA's coming here if it looks like we're bereft of talent, and that's where its headed.

His thinking outside the box and creativity has led to nothing but continually worse records.

Like it or not, the only time Colangelo had success is when he had D'Antoni. The same goes for D'Antoni too...

What all stars and high lottery picks did Walsh have to work with when he got here? He purged the most talented players and the team still won more games.

Bippity10 wrote:

TheGame wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:By the way read the article about Lee being frustrated on the front page. A lot of "we need to do" and "we just gotta". That's part of that infection I talked about. That was what Jamal Crawford and Zach and Marbs used to always do. They would quit during the game, not play d, show no fire, no frustration. Then after the game they would give the media a ton of "we just gotta do x more consistently.........."

Lee's defense is terrible, and I don't understand it because he is a very athletic PF. O'Neal is bigger than him, but it is not like O'Neal is Shaq. We really need to get Darko on the court more. Although Lee is one of our best players, I would limit Lee to 30 minutes until he improves on defense.

As a coach you have no problem with one of your guys getting torched by an offensive player that is better then them. You can make adjustments. The problem is when your player does not make the other player work hard for their points. So that offensive player is as fresh in quarter 3 and 4 as they were in the first. I know David was in foul trouble early, but he let that affect his game from there on out. Add in the blown assignments when a team runs a play 3 times in a row and you have a disaster on your hands. Instead of saving that frustration for after the game and then discussing it with the media, how about take that frustration and body someone up or commit a tough foul? He never does this, he just accepts his beating with his hands straight up in the air.

a coach can only do so much - he can lead w a vision of what is expected of the team, he can prepare them, he can praise or criticize players when they do/do not perform...BUT....he cannot play on the floor with them. for any team to be successful, there needs to be a coach on the floor....the player who will be the extension of the coach in ensuring the team performs the way they are meant to when in an actual game. that is the problem with the knicks right now, they have no-one who has the capacity to assume that role...or not yet at least. lots of people made fun of larry brown when he said 'we dont have a head out there' referencing marbury....but, he was EXACTLY righ.

if i were going to route for the knicks this year, then i would take the personnel who are executing the gameplan on the floor into account when setting my expectations b/c lets face it, this team is going to lose alot of games this year b/c of the developmental immaturity of the players on the team. they dont know how to act the part of 'the head' b/c not one of them has ever been in a situation to do that since highschool probably when they were the overwhelming star for their respective teams. the nba is a man's game and a profession. in order to succeed in your profession, you have to not only talk the talk (like what was referenced about lee's qoutes above, and jamal and zbo's in the past) but you gotta walk the walk....these guys cant crawl yet, let alone walk.

i hope for the sake of the fans the knicks get what they're hoping for in free agency market next summer.

jimimou wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

TheGame wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:By the way read the article about Lee being frustrated on the front page. A lot of "we need to do" and "we just gotta". That's part of that infection I talked about. That was what Jamal Crawford and Zach and Marbs used to always do. They would quit during the game, not play d, show no fire, no frustration. Then after the game they would give the media a ton of "we just gotta do x more consistently.........."

Lee's defense is terrible, and I don't understand it because he is a very athletic PF. O'Neal is bigger than him, but it is not like O'Neal is Shaq. We really need to get Darko on the court more. Although Lee is one of our best players, I would limit Lee to 30 minutes until he improves on defense.

As a coach you have no problem with one of your guys getting torched by an offensive player that is better then them. You can make adjustments. The problem is when your player does not make the other player work hard for their points. So that offensive player is as fresh in quarter 3 and 4 as they were in the first. I know David was in foul trouble early, but he let that affect his game from there on out. Add in the blown assignments when a team runs a play 3 times in a row and you have a disaster on your hands. Instead of saving that frustration for after the game and then discussing it with the media, how about take that frustration and body someone up or commit a tough foul? He never does this, he just accepts his beating with his hands straight up in the air.

a coach can only do so much - he can lead w a vision of what is expected of the team, he can prepare them, he can praise or criticize players when they do/do not perform...BUT....he cannot play on the floor with them. for any team to be successful, there needs to be a coach on the floor....the player who will be the extension of the coach in ensuring the team performs the way they are meant to when in an actual game. that is the problem with the knicks right now, they have no-one who has the capacity to assume that role...or not yet at least. lots of people made fun of larry brown when he said 'we dont have a head out there' referencing marbury....but, he was EXACTLY righ.

if i were going to route for the knicks this year, then i would take the personnel who are executing the gameplan on the floor into account when setting my expectations b/c lets face it, this team is going to lose alot of games this year b/c of the developmental immaturity of the players on the team. they dont know how to act the part of 'the head' b/c not one of them has ever been in a situation to do that since highschool probably when they were the overwhelming star for their respective teams. the nba is a man's game and a profession. in order to succeed in your profession, you have to not only talk the talk (like what was referenced about lee's qoutes above, and jamal and zbo's in the past) but you gotta walk the walk....these guys cant crawl yet, let alone walk.

i hope for the sake of the fans the knicks get what they're hoping for in free agency market next summer.

you're an idiot...bip can play for his players - he's that good...

Bippity10 wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

jimimou wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

TheGame wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:By the way read the article about Lee being frustrated on the front page. A lot of "we need to do" and "we just gotta". That's part of that infection I talked about. That was what Jamal Crawford and Zach and Marbs used to always do. They would quit during the game, not play d, show no fire, no frustration. Then after the game they would give the media a ton of "we just gotta do x more consistently.........."

Lee's defense is terrible, and I don't understand it because he is a very athletic PF. O'Neal is bigger than him, but it is not like O'Neal is Shaq. We really need to get Darko on the court more. Although Lee is one of our best players, I would limit Lee to 30 minutes until he improves on defense.

As a coach you have no problem with one of your guys getting torched by an offensive player that is better then them. You can make adjustments. The problem is when your player does not make the other player work hard for their points. So that offensive player is as fresh in quarter 3 and 4 as they were in the first. I know David was in foul trouble early, but he let that affect his game from there on out. Add in the blown assignments when a team runs a play 3 times in a row and you have a disaster on your hands. Instead of saving that frustration for after the game and then discussing it with the media, how about take that frustration and body someone up or commit a tough foul? He never does this, he just accepts his beating with his hands straight up in the air.

a coach can only do so much - he can lead w a vision of what is expected of the team, he can prepare them, he can praise or criticize players when they do/do not perform...BUT....he cannot play on the floor with them. for any team to be successful, there needs to be a coach on the floor....the player who will be the extension of the coach in ensuring the team performs the way they are meant to when in an actual game. that is the problem with the knicks right now, they have no-one who has the capacity to assume that role...or not yet at least. lots of people made fun of larry brown when he said 'we dont have a head out there' referencing marbury....but, he was EXACTLY righ.

if i were going to route for the knicks this year, then i would take the personnel who are executing the gameplan on the floor into account when setting my expectations b/c lets face it, this team is going to lose alot of games this year b/c of the developmental immaturity of the players on the team. they dont know how to act the part of 'the head' b/c not one of them has ever been in a situation to do that since highschool probably when they were the overwhelming star for their respective teams. the nba is a man's game and a profession. in order to succeed in your profession, you have to not only talk the talk (like what was referenced about lee's qoutes above, and jamal and zbo's in the past) but you gotta walk the walk....these guys cant crawl yet, let alone walk.

i hope for the sake of the fans the knicks get what they're hoping for in free agency market next summer.

you're an idiot...bip can play for his players - he's that good...

I was the only coach in the history of basketball to win a championship with no players on the floor.

check that - fat joe won the rucker championship and his team didnt even have to play? What now bip?