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10/9/2009  2:19 PM
Posted by Marv:

don't forget a year ago at this time gallinari was being called the biggest bust in the history of the draft by some. now he's being touted as a savior.

i'm still willing to give the Gallo pick the benefit of the doubt & i'm doing the same w/Hill... i think DeRozan's got higher upside than both those guys tho, i can't lie.
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10/9/2009  2:34 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Marv:

don't forget a year ago at this time gallinari was being called the biggest bust in the history of the draft by some. now he's being touted as a savior.

i'm still willing to give the Gallo pick the benefit of the doubt & i'm doing the same w/Hill... i think DeRozan's got higher upside than both those guys tho, i can't lie.

you could be right. something about his game soured donnie, i'm not sure what it was.

but at least we don't have to worry about him blowing up in toronto. he’ll never touch the ball with that selfish gunner bargnani on the floor with him.
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10/9/2009  3:07 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Marv:

don't forget a year ago at this time gallinari was being called the biggest bust in the history of the draft by some. now he's being touted as a savior.

i'm still willing to give the Gallo pick the benefit of the doubt & i'm doing the same w/Hill... i think DeRozan's got higher upside than both those guys tho, i can't lie.

you could be right. something about his game soured donnie, i'm not sure what it was.

but at least we don't have to worry about him blowing up in toronto. he’ll never touch the ball with that selfish gunner bargnani on the floor with him.

i personally don't think DeRozan was ever really a serious consideration for Donnie... i think PG was his main focus & Curry was their guy from the start... when they couldn't get him & Rubio was taken off the board by MIN's boneheaded GM, they decided to take someone who could fill D Lee's shoes if he ended up leaving via free agency in J Hill... just a best guess but i have a feeling that's how it went down personally.
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10/9/2009  3:15 PM
did DeRozan even come in for a workout?
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10/9/2009  3:19 PM
i believe they brought him in for a workout before the draft

http://ballhype.com/story/derozan_schedule/
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10/9/2009  3:35 PM
Posted by fishmike:

JW.. whats not to see? He's 6'10, can put the ball on the floor, can pass like a PG, can shoot from anywhere and showed he was a physical guy that would get to the line against grown men in the Euroleague. He's not the run and jump athlete that some guys are but when you see him crash the boards and run the floor its clear he's no euro-stiff.

If I could do that draft again I would take Lopez. Stick him and Lee together and your set up front for the next 10 years. After that I would stick with Gallo.

I was wrong about Lopez. He's simply a better pro than CBB player

You're telling me Gallo is a proven commodity at this point? I think he can potentially be a less sleepy Turkoglu type for us, but that is a somewhat flawed player that you have to put with the right mix.

To this point, you'd have to say honestly that Lopez - Randolph - Gordon - Augustin - McGee are all ahead of Gallo.

I think Gallo can do it. I like his attitude at least. We'll see.

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10/9/2009  4:36 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
To this point, you'd have to say honestly that Lopez - Randolph - Gordon - Augustin - McGee are all ahead of Gallo.
those guys were healthy and got playing time. If that puts them ahead ok, but lets revisit this in Feb. I expect Gallo to need a month or two to get his legs under him and after that we should start getting an idea of what he's going to bring

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10/9/2009  4:37 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by JohnWallace44:
To this point, you'd have to say honestly that Lopez - Randolph - Gordon - Augustin - McGee are all ahead of Gallo.
those guys were healthy and got playing time. If that puts them ahead ok, but lets revisit this in Feb. I expect Gallo to need a month or two to get his legs under him and after that we should start getting an idea of what he's going to bring

really that's all that's left, these gallo detractors just can't see that he is a soon-to-be all star.
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10/9/2009  4:41 PM
Gallo is an unproven prospect. I am high on him but to me these guys arrive when they start to win NBA games.
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10/9/2009  4:44 PM
Posted by fishmike:

JW.. whats not to see? He's 6'10, can put the ball on the floor, can pass like a PG, can shoot from anywhere and showed he was a physical guy that would get to the line against grown men in the Euroleague. He's not the run and jump athlete that some guys are but when you see him crash the boards and run the floor its clear he's no euro-stiff.

If I could do that draft again I would take Lopez. Stick him and Lee together and your set up front for the next 10 years. After that I would stick with Gallo.

I was wrong about Lopez. He's simply a better pro than CBB player

I was wrong as well.

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10/9/2009  5:27 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by fishmike:

JW.. whats not to see? He's 6'10, can put the ball on the floor, can pass like a PG, can shoot from anywhere and showed he was a physical guy that would get to the line against grown men in the Euroleague. He's not the run and jump athlete that some guys are but when you see him crash the boards and run the floor its clear he's no euro-stiff.

If I could do that draft again I would take Lopez. Stick him and Lee together and your set up front for the next 10 years. After that I would stick with Gallo.

I was wrong about Lopez. He's simply a better pro than CBB player

I was wrong as well.

what is the story on gallo? how did he get a back problem AFTER he got drafted? i wonder if this was a pre-condition that the knicks were just not up on. all forgiven if gallo shows good this regular season-- but if rooster's back becomes an issues this puts walsh in the doghouse with me. especially if i got to watch lopez just rock in an nj jersey.

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10/9/2009  5:55 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Marv:

don't forget a year ago at this time gallinari was being called the biggest bust in the history of the draft by some. now he's being touted as a savior.

i'm still willing to give the Gallo pick the benefit of the doubt & i'm doing the same w/Hill... i think DeRozan's got higher upside than both those guys tho, i can't lie.

you could be right. something about his game soured donnie, i'm not sure what it was.

but at least we don't have to worry about him blowing up in toronto. he’ll never touch the ball with that selfish gunner bargnani on the floor with him.
Maybe they just went the BPA route and had Hill rated higher than DeRozan.

Based on the fact that we brought Holiday in twice, I also wonder if we would have taken Holiday over Flynn, DeRozan, or Jennings, if Curry, Hill, and Rubio had been drafted prior to our pick at 8.

For what it is worth, we brought a lot of players in for a look-Donny did his due dilligence- so Walsh had a chance to see everyone we might have drafted.
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10/11/2009  8:32 PM
Dejuan Blair 28-4-4

Derozan 19-3


We can say whatever we want but we didnt get the best player available at 29 and we didnt take the higher level prospect at 8. And forget 29 Dejuan Blair might be the best player in the draft. He is physically imposing quick and good. He's like something between an Antony Mason and a Moses Malone. Just a freakish player to deal with--he's probably the strongest guy in the nBA.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 10-11-2009 8:40 PM]
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10/11/2009  8:35 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by TMS:
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hmm, i wonder why walsh didn't select evans.

Yeah, Walsh has said that Evans was the second best player in the draft, so can't knock him there

didn't Walsh say he would have taken Curry at #5 if he were able to trade up in this draft?

evans was taken #4 overall, so taking Curry 5 wouldn't have been so bad.


look, Hill is a bit of a project. but he has a decent ceiling - i think he'll wind up being a dale davis/joe smith type. he can play a little d, hit the boards and run. you need guys like that. it's not a sexy pick, but he's improved drastically every year and there's no reason to think that won't continue.

Dale Davis was one INTENSE player. So no sale there.

Joe Smith stunk but I doubt Hill will get even close to his level of suck. So again no sale there.

Yep, very down on Jordan Hill. Hope he gets it together. He has a lot of work to do to convince anyone he was worthy of being selected. Perhaps we should have used the pick to dump Jeffries or Curry if at all possible.
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10/11/2009  11:22 PM
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Marv:

don't forget a year ago at this time gallinari was being called the biggest bust in the history of the draft by some. now he's being touted as a savior.

i'm still willing to give the Gallo pick the benefit of the doubt & i'm doing the same w/Hill... i think DeRozan's got higher upside than both those guys tho, i can't lie.

you could be right. something about his game soured donnie, i'm not sure what it was.

but at least we don't have to worry about him blowing up in toronto. he’ll never touch the ball with that selfish gunner bargnani on the floor with him.
Maybe they just went the BPA route and had Hill rated higher than DeRozan.

Based on the fact that we brought Holiday in twice, I also wonder if we would have taken Holiday over Flynn, DeRozan, or Jennings, if Curry, Hill, and Rubio had been drafted prior to our pick at 8.

For what it is worth, we brought a lot of players in for a look-Donny did his due dilligence- so Walsh had a chance to see everyone we might have drafted.

I have to wonder right now how much homework Donnie has done because we should have

C- Brook Lopez
PF Dejuan Blair
SG Demar Derozan

Instead we have 3 projects. We can make believe we have superior players but it's only a fairytale.

Oh wait we couldve had Steph Curry if we gave up all star Wilson Chandler and Ramon Sessions for pennies if we completed the Jefferies/Mate trade. Oh well--nothing has really changed in ten years.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 10-11-2009 11:27 PM]
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10/11/2009  11:55 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Marv:

don't forget a year ago at this time gallinari was being called the biggest bust in the history of the draft by some. now he's being touted as a savior.

i'm still willing to give the Gallo pick the benefit of the doubt & i'm doing the same w/Hill... i think DeRozan's got higher upside than both those guys tho, i can't lie.

you could be right. something about his game soured donnie, i'm not sure what it was.

but at least we don't have to worry about him blowing up in toronto. he’ll never touch the ball with that selfish gunner bargnani on the floor with him.
Maybe they just went the BPA route and had Hill rated higher than DeRozan.

Based on the fact that we brought Holiday in twice, I also wonder if we would have taken Holiday over Flynn, DeRozan, or Jennings, if Curry, Hill, and Rubio had been drafted prior to our pick at 8.

For what it is worth, we brought a lot of players in for a look-Donny did his due dilligence- so Walsh had a chance to see everyone we might have drafted.

I have to wonder right now how much homework Donnie has done because we should have

C- Brook Lopez
PF Dejuan Blair
SG Demar Derozan

Instead we have 3 projects. We can make believe we have superior players but it's only a fairytale.

Oh wait we couldve had Steph Curry if we gave up all star Wilson Chandler and Ramon Sessions for pennies if we completed the Jefferies/Mate trade. Oh well--nothing has really changed in ten years.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 10-11-2009 11:27 PM]

you're depressing. save the hate after a loss, this pre-game hate is a downer. i like the players you mentioned but honestly i dont dislike having gallo and darko on the team, the cards ny have are interesting. let this season show just how intersting.
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10/12/2009  9:36 AM
Posted by coolbeans:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Marv:

don't forget a year ago at this time gallinari was being called the biggest bust in the history of the draft by some. now he's being touted as a savior.

i'm still willing to give the Gallo pick the benefit of the doubt & i'm doing the same w/Hill... i think DeRozan's got higher upside than both those guys tho, i can't lie.

you could be right. something about his game soured donnie, i'm not sure what it was.

but at least we don't have to worry about him blowing up in toronto. he’ll never touch the ball with that selfish gunner bargnani on the floor with him.
Maybe they just went the BPA route and had Hill rated higher than DeRozan.

Based on the fact that we brought Holiday in twice, I also wonder if we would have taken Holiday over Flynn, DeRozan, or Jennings, if Curry, Hill, and Rubio had been drafted prior to our pick at 8.

For what it is worth, we brought a lot of players in for a look-Donny did his due dilligence- so Walsh had a chance to see everyone we might have drafted.

I have to wonder right now how much homework Donnie has done because we should have

C- Brook Lopez
PF Dejuan Blair
SG Demar Derozan

Instead we have 3 projects. We can make believe we have superior players but it's only a fairytale.

Oh wait we couldve had Steph Curry if we gave up all star Wilson Chandler and Ramon Sessions for pennies if we completed the Jefferies/Mate trade. Oh well--nothing has really changed in ten years.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 10-11-2009 11:27 PM]

you're depressing. save the hate after a loss, this pre-game hate is a downer. i like the players you mentioned but honestly i dont dislike having gallo and darko on the team, the cards ny have are interesting. let this season show just how intersting.

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a lot of good secondary players still up but this guy was the best rebounder in college basketball and brings the team toughness that it sorely lacks
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10/12/2009  10:51 AM
DeJaun Blair has one good preseason game and now he's possibly the best player in the Draft?
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Posted by Uptown:

DeJaun Blair has one good preseason game and now he's possibly the best player in the Draft?

It would not surprise me. He was a top 3-5 player in college basketball last year. The only reason why he was discounted was his so called knee problems and his size. But his game has carried over to the NBA and he might even be better than he was in college with more space.
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10/12/2009  11:11 AM
Blair might be good in the short term, but he doesn't fit this team or what we're doing, so I don't see that as a miss.

Watching Derozan and McGee play against eachother and throw in crazy dunks and fast break plays from all over, I wonder what we'd look like with both of them on the roster.

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