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orangeblobman
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10/5/2009  3:25 PM
You guys are way off. Hill is far from sucking. He is just RAW, YEA, I USED IT. HE'S RAW. The kid gave it all he knew to give yesterday. He brought energy and desire-- the rest will fill in (think Eddy Curry). This guy has only been playing organized for 5 years. Think about that. I'm sure most of us on UK have been playing organized for longer than he.

Give him a few years...maybe even a few months, this kid WILL contribute meaningfully in the NBA for SOME team down the line. I like his energy and I like that he's at least TRYING to buy into the Knicks-- when was the last time we could say those two things about a Knick?
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10/5/2009  3:37 PM
PresIke, I too thought Hill had a good activity level. That and I thought he moved pretty well for a big guy. Not sure where the disinterested comments are coming from. I did think he was more than a little unsure about what he was suppose to be doing at some points...which may be the reason why some think he played lazy.
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10/5/2009  3:48 PM
Also, Hill has a low BBALL IQ. He hasn't been playing long enough yet. He can get better. (Can't get much worse)
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10/5/2009  4:38 PM
Posted by Andrew:

PresIke, I too thought Hill had a good activity level. That and I thought he moved pretty well for a big guy. Not sure where the disinterested comments are coming from. I did think he was more than a little unsure about what he was suppose to be doing at some points...which may be the reason why some think he played lazy.

Same here. I need to watch the whole game and not just Knicks in 60. Hill looked fine to me and was contesting some shots.
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10/5/2009  5:44 PM
HIll goes up and gets rebounds in traffic and that's a great sign. He will need time to learn the game on a deeper level after basically just being taught to run to the post and put his hand up. He has very good speed and energy but he doesn't know what to do with that yet. Once he figures that out he's gonna be very good.

Now if Hill had hit 3 more of his shots the beat writers would be saying he had a good game! It's often just that simple. He's got a lot to learn like any rookie, but in this system he's got to learn how to really play BB and not just rely on his natural talents. He needs to play more like Lee and understand how to move in space and take advantage Of the many opportunities that this system presents, but it's not as easy as it sounds.
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10/5/2009  5:57 PM
How on earth did Hill get pegged with a lazy tag by izybx

unfortunately useless words like this tend to get repeated

Is Darko Milicic lazy? If not, why not?
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10/5/2009  5:58 PM
Posted by misterearl:

How on earth did Hill get pegged with a lazy tag by izybx

unfortunately useless words like this tend to get repeated

Is Darko Milicic lazy? If not, why not?

izybx is usually on point, but I don't know why he thinks Hill is lazy, either. Hill looked anything BUT lazy. His demeanor is laid back, toned down, but we must not let that fool us (Chandler)
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10/5/2009  6:11 PM
Hill doesn't look lazy to me. But I do agree about the low basketball iq. Hopefully that improves over time - probably gradually.
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10/5/2009  6:48 PM
Posted by misterearl:

How on earth did Hill get pegged with a lazy tag by izybx

unfortunately useless words like this tend to get repeated

Is Darko Milicic lazy? If not, why not?

I dont know of you recorded the game, but watch the replay. He stands around way too much, he went after some rebounds hard but he watched others without doing a thing. He was beat down the floor several times (hes 21 bro! he should be moving!) I hope im worng, but im telling it like it is! He had a terrible game, and the box score doesnt illustrate how poorly he played! When he was in the game the Knicks offense ground to a HALT! I am not impressed with this guy! Im telling you he will be a bust!
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10/5/2009  8:51 PM
I saw an active young big man playing his first pre season game. I did not watch the entire game but I was not concerned with what I saw and I was pleased with how active Hill was. I think it is a stretch to call him a bust after one preseason game on a team with alot of veteran bigs.
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10/5/2009  9:14 PM
Jordan Hill is playing in a dramatically different system and likely the team's coaches are reworking some of his prior habits, (such as the fade away jumper he likes to shoot.) In addition. the players on the teams that he is facing are bigger and stronger than what he was accustomed to at Arizona, which also makes the game seem too fast for him.

I agree that at first glance Jordon Hill does look slow to react to plays by the opposition. But while it may look like he is lazy to some watching the first preseason game, it is much more likely that Jordan is thinking too much about all of the changes he is being put through. His reaction times are slowed down because he is unable to play spontaneously. Unfortunately some observers are thinking his slowdown looks like he is lazy. Perhaps the people making that mistake, haven't played varsity sports themselves and therefore haven't noticed how much a person's performance suffers when he is working on adapting to a new system and being forced to play consciously, instead of unconsciously.
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10/5/2009  9:18 PM
Posted by sebstar:

Bottom line is that Hill sucks.

Its not that he is inexperienced, its not that he just needs to get a feel for the NBA. He just flat out sucks. There is very little about his game whether it be physical ability, skill set, or desire that we can hang our hat on and say, yeah, he'll get it together with any sort of confidence.

You cats are just hoping against hope he turns out alright.

The bottom line is that you don't know what you're talking about. I bet you would be one of the dudes dissing Jermaine O'Neal on Portland when he was doing jack **** on that team. It takes time for a guy to develop. He has the skills. He wont be a star. If he's a bust, he's a bust. But we cannot actually come to any conclusions about this player or Douglas until at least 2-3 years down the line.
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10/6/2009  12:20 AM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by sebstar:

Bottom line is that Hill sucks.

Its not that he is inexperienced, its not that he just needs to get a feel for the NBA. He just flat out sucks. There is very little about his game whether it be physical ability, skill set, or desire that we can hang our hat on and say, yeah, he'll get it together with any sort of confidence.

You cats are just hoping against hope he turns out alright.

The bottom line is that you don't know what you're talking about. I bet you would be one of the dudes dissing Jermaine O'Neal on Portland when he was doing jack **** on that team. It takes time for a guy to develop. He has the skills. He wont be a star. If he's a bust, he's a bust. But we cannot actually come to any conclusions about this player or Douglas until at least 2-3 years down the line.

Thats a stupid comparison given that O'Neal came straight out of high school so he obviously had a more dramatic learning curve to adjust to, both physically and in the maturation sense. Even then, the Pacers thought enough of him to give up a very good Dale Davis for O'Neal who was showing potential at the age that Jordan Hill is at right now. You see anybody giving us a Dale Davis equivalent for Hill right now?

Why equate Hill with O'Neal? How are they comparable? Here's my question. Instead of trying to tell me what I dont know, what the hell do you know? What have you seen in Jordan Hill's game that makes you confident that he will be a success in this league? You have to give me more than just "wait 3 years"...wait on what exactly?

Could he make a complete 180 and become a force in the NBA? Sure. There is also a chance I could win the lottery tomorrow. There is a chance I can have a threesome with two hot ass supermodels I meet at the club...

Point is that I am not being unfair by drawing conclusions from what I am seeing from Hill, and judging his abilities based on his performances. I have been very clear as to why I am down on his game and for specific reasons.
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10/6/2009  7:10 AM
Posted by rvwink:

Jordan Hill is playing in a dramatically different system and likely the team's coaches are reworking some of his prior habits, (such as the fade away jumper he likes to shoot.) In addition. the players on the teams that he is facing are bigger and stronger than what he was accustomed to at Arizona, which also makes the game seem too fast for him.

I agree that at first glance Jordon Hill does look slow to react to plays by the opposition. But while it may look like he is lazy to some watching the first preseason game, it is much more likely that Jordan is thinking too much about all of the changes he is being put through. His reaction times are slowed down because he is unable to play spontaneously. Unfortunately some observers are thinking his slowdown looks like he is lazy. Perhaps the people making that mistake, haven't played varsity sports themselves and therefore haven't noticed how much a person's performance suffers when he is working on adapting to a new system and being forced to play consciously, instead of unconsciously.

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10/6/2009  8:34 AM
Posted by Ira:
Posted by rvwink:

Jordan Hill is playing in a dramatically different system and likely the team's coaches are reworking some of his prior habits, (such as the fade away jumper he likes to shoot.) In addition. the players on the teams that he is facing are bigger and stronger than what he was accustomed to at Arizona, which also makes the game seem too fast for him.

I agree that at first glance Jordon Hill does look slow to react to plays by the opposition. But while it may look like he is lazy to some watching the first preseason game, it is much more likely that Jordan is thinking too much about all of the changes he is being put through. His reaction times are slowed down because he is unable to play spontaneously. Unfortunately some observers are thinking his slowdown looks like he is lazy. Perhaps the people making that mistake, haven't played varsity sports themselves and therefore haven't noticed how much a person's performance suffers when he is working on adapting to a new system and being forced to play consciously, instead of unconsciously.

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Agree with this.
Hill looked terrible compared to the rest of the team. He's behind a lot.

I'd compare him to Darko as a rookie. Great potential but raw; needs to work on his game; seems lost. Did the Detroit coaches (i.e., Larry Brown) take the time to work with him? Probably not very much. Certainly not enough.

Hill needs to learn how to play basketball. He has some individual skills but doesn't understand where he should be on the court. He needs a coach! Like a personal coach to work with him before/after the team workouts to go into detail with him on how to play his position.

Hill should have been more prepared for summer league and he should have been more prepared for pre-season. I'm not sure whose fault that is. Some lies with the Knicks mgmt. Hill is their star draft pick - they should have been monitoring him from the beginning. Some fault lies with Hill. But now is the time to work with the kid and develop him. Not just shove him under the rug. Give him a year. We don't need him this year but we do need him starting next year.

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10/6/2009  9:49 AM
I will say this about the patience of Knick fans. We are getting better. We are claiming Hill as a bust after one preseason game. That's one more game then we gave Gallo.

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10/6/2009  9:54 AM
Bip, Hill hasn't shown much in 5 SL games and the preseason game, and there aren't minutes for him.

That's why people are getting on him.

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Posted by JohnWallace44:

Bip, Hill hasn't shown much in 5 SL games and the preseason game, and there aren't minutes for him.

That's why people are getting on him.

As I said with Gallo. Nothing wrong with questioning the pick. Nothing wrong with wanting someone else. Nothing wrong with being disappointed with what we have seen so far. I'm in on all three of these statements. That being said, declaring a known project a bust after one preseaon game and summer league????? It's the same movie over and over again.
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10/6/2009  10:03 AM
I said many times that Jordan Hill was the one guy I did NOT want in this draft. With that said, declaring him a bust after 1 pre-season game is ridiculous.
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10/6/2009  10:28 AM
This organization has been awful for years so it' more than ok to question draft selections. Gallo will be productive, but if you look at who Walsh passed up Lopez, Gordon, Randolph all look to be better players. Lopez is going to be a top center in this league, Gallo is an injury question, which is concerning because if he get injured we don't have much to offer free agents.

With Hill you look for one thing in a big man the way they move. He doesn't move gracefully. I hear that he is athletic but I don't see him being able to overpower people when he needs to dunk the ball. Frye was a limited player athletically and didn't use his body well. If Hill is showing a lack of toughness getting the ball up it's a problem. I haven't seen anything from him to let me know he is going to be a player. And if your motor is already in question it's sad. But we will see what he turns into. Going into the draft I agree as well I was not high on this guy.
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