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nixluva
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9/29/2009  3:22 PM
Why don't we actually analyze Darko's stats to see if he is a liability on Offense as it's been suggested.

The last 4 years he's been shooting 50%, 45%, 44% and 51% on about 7 shots a game. He was at about 1 assist per game. He avg'd 21 mpg. Last year he had a rough year he was injured and didn't play a full season. I think as a guy off the bench he does a respectable job. He's certainly skilled enough to play within the system. He would seem to me to be a bit better overall for us than say Jeffries at Center. Darko is a more productive player than Jeffries IMO.
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9/29/2009  3:23 PM
this is adamek's take:
Six certainties are rather easy to figure: Gallinari David Lee, Wilson Chandler, Chris Duhon, Nate Robinson and Al Harrington. Jared Jeffries, Larry Hughes and Darko Milicic seem to have the inside track on three other spots, with Curry and rookies Jordan Hill and Toney Douglas the wild cards.

[Edited by - PresIke on 09-29-2009 3:23 PM]
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9/29/2009  3:25 PM
Posted by PresIke:

this is adamek's take:
Six certainties are rather easy to figure: Gallinari David Lee, Wilson Chandler, Chris Duhon, Nate Robinson and Al Harrington. Jared Jeffries, Larry Hughes and Darko Milicic seem to have the inside track on three other spots, with Curry and rookies Jordan Hill and Toney Douglas the wild cards.

[Edited by - PresIke on 09-29-2009 3:23 PM]

that makes sense.

i'm excited to see what this group can do. that top six can certainly all fill it.

i'd be a lot more excited if we had added sessions or stephen curry, but so be it. let's play ball.
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9/29/2009  3:40 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Why don't we actually analyze Darko's stats to see if he is a liability on Offense as it's been suggested.


I said borderline liability, which is certainly the case if we think Darko is going to come into D’Antoni’s offense and shoot jumpers. His effective FG% on jump shots has hovered around 30% the last few years. Glad to hear about the (almost) one assist, but he is turnover prone and both Orlando and Memphis as a team did better on offense without Darko on the floor.

Overall, it looks to me like he is a garbage points guy who takes too many jumpers. Liability may be too strong a word, but he isn’t a guy the other team has to guard. After that it’s just semantics.
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9/29/2009  4:28 PM
Posted by K22:

The Sun? Really? Is he even going to make the team?

My understanding is that if John Liu becomes the NYC Public Advocate (he has to win in today's runoff), he will mandate that the Knicks have at least one player from Korea, China, Japan, or Taiwan on the active roster.

So there!
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9/29/2009  7:17 PM
Posted by K22:

The Sun? Really? Is he even going to make the team?

My understanding is that if John Liu becomes the NYC Public Advocate Comptroller (he has to win in today's runoff), he will mandate that the Knicks have at least one player from Korea, China, Japan, or Taiwan on the active roster.

So there!

[Edited by - Paladin55 on 09-29-2009 8:59 PM]
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9/30/2009  9:38 PM
Posted by jimimou:
Posted by orangeblobman:

^yea, but check it out rambee, darko has a sweet jumper and he's a face up player, and they just weren't cultivating him properly, mda can do this, so a huge leap is almost certainly around the corner. i think someone started a post a long time ago about what you think darko would average, and the overwhelming consensus was something like 14/9/3blocks, so that's serious stuff.

i dont think that was anywhere near the 'overwhelming consensus' - that may have been your own consensus. if darko is gonna be good for this team, he needs to show he can play more than 6-10 minutes a game. why do you insist on crowning him w something he hasnt proven yet? isnt it a wait and see year for everyone on the squad?

oh, and btw, only person to come close to 3 blocks per game for the season last year was dwight howartd (2.9). next closest was birdman at 2.4. matter of fact, only five people blocked more than 2 per game last year. what makes you think darko gets 3 this year? can you ellaborate?

Maybe it wasn't overwhelming, but it was a consensus amongst likeminded individuals. Darko CAN play he can play more than 10, this has been proven. Didn't really crown him with much, but outside of Gallo and maybe Chandler, he has the most potential yet to be seen.

And okay, 3 blocks, a bit much? Still, he has put up close to 2, i believe in limited minutes, minutes he'll get more of with the knicks, and to say 2, 2.5 is not a stretch. mabye not 3, ok ok.
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9/30/2009  9:58 PM
it would be a big confidence booster if darko gets the starting 5 job opening day. lee at 5 is just an eyerolling moment waiting to happen. so fingers crossed that darko shows he is ready to be the deke of ny at 5 and swat the rocks away.

[Edited by - coolbeans on 09-30-2009 10:00 PM]
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9/30/2009  10:06 PM
I haven't seen Darko in a while, (does Memphis actually play games or is it just a black hole where players go for a few years?) but if he can shoot from range then he should play with Lee with Al Jr coming off the bench.

Duhon
Chandler
Gallo
Lee
Darko

That would make Lee more effective on defense with a shot blocker behind him, and he would still have room to board on offense.

A lineup like this would require a healthy Duhon and for Chandler and Gallo to be dominant of offense. Not completely out of the range of possibilities though.

When the opposing center subs out, you bring in Nate for Duhon, Al for Darko and you'd think you'd have a nice rotation there.
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10/1/2009  5:55 AM
just think about it for a second.
david lee is a great rebounder but how does how useful are his rebounding skills if we can't protect the paint from a midget to a big man for YEARS after camby has been gone.
darko is probably the best shot blocker we have on our roster, which isn't saying much.
Im not saying he will or wont be a star but i will say he has to ability to help us on stretches down the game. We get our one year rental and I agree he will excel over jared jeffries.
4get what pick he was and give him a chance to play the system b4 we judge the kid that didnt develop in the NBA at his early years.
he is a 1 year rental at worst, cant be worse than JJ or FAT JJ.
I dont know where he will be offensively or if he will gel with david lee and the rest of the DEVELOPING knicks.
In Dantoni's system it seems like you need at least 4-5 shooters, with good spacing, team movement, good passing.
Im not saying he needs 3point range but if he has a free throw range and he is our 5th best shooter on the floor, who knows if it might work or not till they get on the court and see for themselves.

who knows if david lee develops a decent mid range as well and some 3point range.
but when all is said, we need to get stops in order to start the fast break as well...
i would not be surprised of a gallo, chandler, harington, lee, darko lineup to cause mismatches.
i think those guys can take turns bringing to ballup n have the skills to help each other.
or even a duhon, chandler, darko
gallo, al harrington combo.
dats 4 shooters
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till we get our superstar whether next year or 2011-12 season....
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10/1/2009  8:04 AM
the big problem I have with D'Antoni is he wants to put his best five out there - that means small ball with Lee at the five.

Lee isn't Amare, and we get killed from being so small.

I wish D'Antoni would realize sometimes you need to sacrifice a little - just like losing a pawn in chess - it serves a bigger purpose.

Starting Darko covers up Lee's biggest weakness and makes him more effective.

And our biggest problem has been shot blocking - and whether it is over rated or not, you can't deny the impact on all facets of our defense. Sometimes the missing piece isn't large.
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10/1/2009  12:25 PM
i dont know. i cant really see al harrington coming off the bench. he is probably our best all around scorer and arguably best player right now with the exception of lee. i can see the lineup like this:

duhon
gallo
chandler
harrington
lee

small lineup but it will work in the system. to round out the eight rotation will be nate, milicic and hughes. maybe curry and jeffries to try to use them as bait but the rookies wont have burn until the last month when we are out of the race ( i hope not tho) or injuries.
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10/1/2009  12:33 PM
I think Harrington comes off the bench and plays starter minutes.

If your line up is
Duhon
Chandler
Gallo
Lee
Curry or Darko

Harrington can sub for anyone but Duhon.
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10/1/2009  12:37 PM
totally agree Fish...

Al has to be the one coming off the bench because he can fit in a lot of positions
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10/3/2009  12:13 PM
Latest 'starting' lineup reviews from eye-witness accounts say

Darko
Lee
Chandler
Hughes
Duhon

works well...Harrington, Gallo, Nate, Jared and Toney the second 5?
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10/3/2009  12:26 PM
Posted by Olbrannon:

Latest 'starting' lineup reviews from eye-witness accounts say

Darko
Lee
Chandler
Hughes
Duhon

works well...Harrington, Gallo, Nate, Jared and Toney the second 5?

Defensive presense (Darko), rebounding... but I wonder where the O will come from.

But I like. And it's a fast bench.
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10/3/2009  12:32 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Olbrannon:

Latest 'starting' lineup reviews from eye-witness accounts say

Darko
Lee
Chandler
Hughes
Duhon

works well...Harrington, Gallo, Nate, Jared and Toney the second 5?

Defensive presense (Darko), rebounding... but I wonder where the O will come from.

But I like. And it's a fast bench.

You can get the O' from Harrington, if you put him in Chandlers place. Have Chandler be a spark off the bench. Otherwise, that team is going to have to rely on ball and player movement and guys hitting their shots.
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10/3/2009  1:13 PM
Posted by Olbrannon:

Latest 'starting' lineup reviews from eye-witness accounts say

Darko
Lee
Chandler
Hughes
Duhon

works well...Harrington, Gallo, Nate, Jared and Toney the second 5?

I'm down with that and I betcha that's it exactly or at least the exact 10, maybe in a different configuration, that we'll begin with. I just hope Hill doesn't get discouraged and realizes that the front court's just too crowded on this club right now. He needs to sponge as much as he can, take what he can get, sit tight and wait for his opportunity. In my mind Hill has the skills and ability to contribute right away but there's just more of an urgency for Toney Douglas on this club right now than Jordan Hill. If that winds up being the case, I just hope that's explained to Jordan and he doesn't get too down over the situation. Next year's gonna be a different year for Hill on this team no matter what happens this season.

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10/3/2009  1:47 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Olbrannon:

Latest 'starting' lineup reviews from eye-witness accounts say

Darko
Lee
Chandler
Hughes
Duhon

works well...Harrington, Gallo, Nate, Jared and Toney the second 5?

Defensive presense (Darko), rebounding... but I wonder where the O will come from.

But I like. And it's a fast bench.

You can get the O' from Harrington, if you put him in Chandlers place. Have Chandler be a spark off the bench. Otherwise, that team is going to have to rely on ball and player movement and guys hitting their shots.

I like the spark off the bench role for Harrington...players like Manu and Jason Terry have built awesome careers out of this role. It is in no way an insult to Harrington but a great compliment to be playing that role, if he does indeed play that role. And if everything he has been saying is genuine, then expect no problems from Al in embracing this.
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10/3/2009  6:21 PM
I just think we will see many starting lineups during the season, lots of experimentation coming.
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