Posted by GKFv2:

Fine, forget about Briggs man. Briggs is a guy who thinks his opinion is the only one that matters, never backs up his claims on anything, never responds to counter-arguments to his posts, claims he is a genius when it comes to eying talent (just like he did with Curry and Sweetney, etc) and pretty much repeats the same old mumbo jumbo over and over like a King1 clone except without the David Lee extreme man-love (but he does like Lee too). There is no sense of saying anything to him as he never responds to your posts challenging him and if he does he's just responding back with "look at me, I do nothing wrong, I'm a good poster, I don't bother anyone" crap when in fact repeating the same old tired stuff over and over everyday is bothering people. He'll never admit he is wrong on any subject and simply disappears when a discussion proves him wrong and comes back a day or two later to write the same crap in a new topic.

Posted by GKFv2:

"Just take out LeBron for one second".

No. The whole point is LeBron is good enough to add at least 30 wins to a franchise on his own. It could be LeBron and NBDL guys and they'd still put up something decent. That is how good LeBron is and how dominant he is. You take away Lebron from Cleveland and they're a 35 win aging crap team going nowhere. So no, I'm not taking away anyone. There is no risk in what we are doing. He signs, cool. He doesn't, cool. There is no problem here. Cap space isn't a burden to have. Flexibility isn't a burden to have. Expiring contracts of Fat Eddy and Jeffries aren't a burden to have. Having our draft pick back isn't a burden to have. Having the chance to build a team essentially from the ground up (especially after all we have done all these years - aka starphuch) isn't a burden. It's a positive.

Fucking broken record repeating the same thing over and over. There is a reason why I don't get involved in these debates when there is 5 pages of discussion on one topic and the next day the same person starts a new topic or makes a new post complaining about said topic again. Rinse and repeat.

Who the hell cares about Utah? We traded the pick like 6 years ago thanks to Isiah. Move the hell on already.

As for David Lee. Enough with this overrated pansy of a player being passed off as some underrated offensive beast who gives this team 10 extra wins at a minimum. What a load of crap. Lee rarely impacts a game. A team doesn't come out to focus on defending Lee. Lee doesn't have that kind of talent. He is an average scorer who got most of his points off pick and rolls, not creating his own shot. His outside shot is still weak. Hooray, he rebounds. Okay, he does one thing very well. Too bad he does one thing terribly - defend. I can honestly say Eddy Curry has played better defense than David Lee. Lee is nonexistent on the defensive end. He is a weakness to the team on that end of the floor, plain and simple. I don't care if nobody else on the team defends and if it's D'Antoni, we need a starting big guy down there to at least attempt to play defense and intimidate someone.

Yeah, we **** the bed trying to improve a team with a horrible roster. That makes a boatload of sense. Zach, Jamal, Steph, Eddy, Jared, Jerome, that whole crew can get you tons of stuff. Oh, we didn't deal Nate and Lee? Oh well. We still have a chance to now. Oh you say it'll be difficult because they can veto? Well, let's just wait to see how everything plays out first, shall we?

[Edited by - GKFv2 on 09-16-2009 01:17 AM]

I made my point here. You made yours. We wont get anywhere though. That's fine. We all don't have to have the same opinions but re-hashing the same argument over and over is pretty damn annoying if you ask me.



[Edited by - GKFv2 on 09-16-2009 8:39 PM]

Posted by GKFv2:

Thank you for proving my point.

Posted by GKFv2:

Fine, forget about Briggs man. Briggs is a guy who thinks his opinion is the only one that matters, never backs up his claims on anything, never responds to counter-arguments to his posts, claims he is a genius when it comes to eying talent (just like he did with Curry and Sweetney, etc) and pretty much repeats the same old mumbo jumbo over and over like a King1 clone except without the David Lee extreme man-love (but he does like Lee too). There is no sense of saying anything to him as he never responds to your posts challenging him and if he does he's just responding back with "look at me, I do nothing wrong, I'm a good poster, I don't bother anyone" crap when in fact repeating the same old tired stuff over and over everyday is bothering people. He'll never admit he is wrong on any subject and simply disappears when a discussion proves him wrong and comes back a day or two later to write the same crap in a new topic.

Posted by GKFv2:

"Just take out LeBron for one second".

No. The whole point is LeBron is good enough to add at least 30 wins to a franchise on his own. It could be LeBron and NBDL guys and they'd still put up something decent. That is how good LeBron is and how dominant he is. You take away Lebron from Cleveland and they're a 35 win aging crap team going nowhere. So no, I'm not taking away anyone. There is no risk in what we are doing. He signs, cool. He doesn't, cool. There is no problem here. Cap space isn't a burden to have. Flexibility isn't a burden to have. Expiring contracts of Fat Eddy and Jeffries aren't a burden to have. Having our draft pick back isn't a burden to have. Having the chance to build a team essentially from the ground up (especially after all we have done all these years - aka starphuch) isn't a burden. It's a positive.

Fucking broken record repeating the same thing over and over. There is a reason why I don't get involved in these debates when there is 5 pages of discussion on one topic and the next day the same person starts a new topic or makes a new post complaining about said topic again. Rinse and repeat.

Who the hell cares about Utah? We traded the pick like 6 years ago thanks to Isiah. Move the hell on already.

As for David Lee. Enough with this overrated pansy of a player being passed off as some underrated offensive beast who gives this team 10 extra wins at a minimum. What a load of crap. Lee rarely impacts a game. A team doesn't come out to focus on defending Lee. Lee doesn't have that kind of talent. He is an average scorer who got most of his points off pick and rolls, not creating his own shot. His outside shot is still weak. Hooray, he rebounds. Okay, he does one thing very well. Too bad he does one thing terribly - defend. I can honestly say Eddy Curry has played better defense than David Lee. Lee is nonexistent on the defensive end. He is a weakness to the team on that end of the floor, plain and simple. I don't care if nobody else on the team defends and if it's D'Antoni, we need a starting big guy down there to at least attempt to play defense and intimidate someone.

Yeah, we **** the bed trying to improve a team with a horrible roster. That makes a boatload of sense. Zach, Jamal, Steph, Eddy, Jared, Jerome, that whole crew can get you tons of stuff. Oh, we didn't deal Nate and Lee? Oh well. We still have a chance to now. Oh you say it'll be difficult because they can veto? Well, let's just wait to see how everything plays out first, shall we?

[Edited by - GKFv2 on 09-16-2009 01:17 AM]

I made my point here. You made yours. We wont get anywhere though. That's fine. We all don't have to have the same opinions but re-hashing the same argument over and over is pretty damn annoying if you ask me.



[Edited by - GKFv2 on 09-16-2009 8:39 PM]

Posted by earthmansurfer:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by GKFv2:

Thank you for proving my point.

When Jordan Hill fractures his foot Eddy Curry's knee hurts after 1 game and Darko dislocates his arse bone--David Lee will be holding the bag. David Lee can be great--he reminds me of Dave Cowens--just needs a little more intensity on the D side. We havent seen all D lee can do. He's going to be great this year and shut a lot of people up. that's why i wanted Sessions--I want to win. To many losses over to many years.



[Edited by - BRIGGS on 09-17-2009 12:09 AM]

You really think Lee is going to get better (at least stay up there with his rebounding) playing with better rebounders next to him? Darko and to a an extent Hill can pull down rebounds and if they get any time with Lee on the court I see his numbers going down. I like Lee, but his biggest asset next to his good rebounding skills is having no rebounders next to him. Remember Lee's numbers when Zach was out there? I was thinking what a good decision not to give him a big payday back then, but once Zach was gone, his numbers shot up huge. I think his rebounds went up by like 5 or 6 a game. (I do want Lee here though).

I think after the season we can decide more on Lee's value. Hopefully we don't lose him for nothing. If we can get rid of one of Curry or Jeffries we are in pretty good shape, and at least one of them are likely to be gone. (Thinking that I am wishing we signed Sessions...)

Posted by fishmike:

if Lee is playing 40 minutes a night he's going to hit 50 games and be totally useless. I would say let game fatigue was as big a part of his defensive lapses as anything. Lee isnt going to play that many more minutes than last year, nor should he.

Lee is a really good player and has a very high BB IQ. He knows exactly what he needs to do to improve. Taking 4 more shots a game isnt it.

Curry is going to get every opportunity humanly possible to get minutes and play his way off this team. He's 26 years old and last year was his only year of wasted effort. I expect to get from him what he usually brings to the table. 25-28 minutes, 14 ppg, 6 rebs and 55% scoring. At 6'11 and 26 years old I think thats enough for a team with size needs to take a shot at him. 6'11 guys who score 55% in the paint dont grow on trees. That has value in a salary dump.

If that happens I think Lee gets extended midseason if you can do that in a one year deal.

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by crzymdups:
The numbers you are talking about for Curry are insane.

please elaborate why thats insane. In his fat lazy years he got that done. He's always gotten that done. I'm not defending Curry's character or drinking kool aid here. Why is it so far fetched to presume your going to get that? The guy has played in the NBA for 8 years. One was a total waste. The other 7 were what they were. Thats what I am expecting from him.

I think people get a knee jerk reaction when they hear Curry's name because he = Isiah + wasted first rounders.

Nothing is changing that, but he's still a scoring 6'11 center and has been pretty consistant in what he has brought to the table the last 6-7 years. Thats all we need to get from him.

He doesn't enjoy playing basketball. He doesn't know basic fundamentals of the game after 8 years. He's coming off injury or just non-interest last year. I see very little reason to think he will suddenly revert to his old form and thrive in a system that favors speed and smart decisions and passing. He has none of those talents.

I think he was in the dog house last year and he'll be there again this year. Curry has only done well when he's been coddled and D'Antoni is not going to coddle him. Curry is a zero with no drive - note that he's not getting in shape for himself or to be a better player, it's because the team has MANDATED it. My feelings on curry have nothing to do with Isiah, they to do with watching him play here for four seasons.


[Edited by - crzymdups on 17-09-2009 11:24 AM]

Posted by fishmike:

He enjoys playing basketball but he doesnt love it. He's not intense and isnt driven. He also doesnt have the tools to deal with adversity.

I would say he is being coddled. Didnt Walsh hire personal trainers and chefs to spend the entire summer with him?

I'm not expecting him to jump out of the gym, but its pretty obvious that after the limo driver stuff, his ex getting shot or whatever drama waas bugging him he did nothing but eat and sit around and was in no shape to exercise much less play NBA basketball.

He ran the floor well 2 years ago in his big year here and did a good job getting posting early and scoring early in the possession. We arent talking 40 minutes a night here, rather 20.

He's also going to be motivated to produce for $$$. If he puts together a couple of 'decent' years he will be looking for Dampier type money and probably get it somewhere.

Posted by fishmike:

was that why he took a year off? Seems more like he took and offseason off which in turn ended his season.

I would say we will know in a month from now. If he can play he will, and seeing as how Walsh has had him shadowed by a trainer and a chef all summer he should be in shape enough to make it through camp without rupturing his achillies.

Most guys that take time off and try to come back are in their 30s.. not 26. Curry needs to have a good year. His agent might be pushing him to have a monster year so he can opt out and sign somewhere next year before the new CBA or lockout