Posted by JohnWallace44:

Posted by martin:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by martin:

Posted by JohnWallace44:

I honestly don't get Donnie.

All the lovers still believe that he's smart for just biding his time?

Still a genius is he?

Donnie's plan is to get cap flexibility and go after the biggest fish in the Market in 2010 on route to the best team to field a playoff contender.

What was his other course of action? Tie up Lee, Nate, Sessions and trade for whom?

Martin--show me the difference in cap flexibility if we signed Sessions to a 4 year 16mm contract--show me how the math makes sense for us--we wouldve had a max contract spot open whether we signed him or not. In fact we may lose the opportunity to use the MLE next year because we didnt sign Sessions.

		2009	2010	2010 	2011
				capholds	
----------------------------------------------
Hughes		13.7			
Mobley		9.5			
Darko		7.5			
Harrington	10			
Curry		10.5	11.3	11.3	
Jefferies	6.5	6.8	6.8	
Gallo		3	3.3	3.3	4.1
Chandler	1.3	2.1	2.1	3
Hill		2.5	2.7	2.7	2.9
Douglas		1	1	1	1.2
Duhon		6			
Nate				
Lee		7	8	9.6	8
LeBron			17	17	18.6
Max#2					16
Sessions				
----------------------------------------------				
		78.5	52.2	53.8	53.56

Don't you have to factor in all of the empty roster spots? Pretty sure the NBA counts the min salary for each of the empty roster spots toward the overall cap number.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by CrushAlot:

You left this part out.
sessions is not demonstrably better than duhon or nate - he might grow into a better player, but it's certainly not enough of a difference to risk a chance at Lebron James or even a plan B guy like Amare.

sessions is not flawless, man. he's got no jumper. sure, d'antoni liked him but d'antoni also begged the suns to throw $20 M at Marcus Banks after he was in a very similar situation to Sessions

when we renounce duhon and nate leaves--who is the PG?

Posted by JohnWallace44:

If he's not the guy, he's not the guy, but Walsh sends odd messages flirting with every free agent out there. Makes it seem like there's no plan.

Posted by Knicksfan:

Posted by JohnWallace44:

If he's not the guy, he's not the guy, but Walsh sends odd messages flirting with every free agent out there. Makes it seem like there's no plan.

The plan is to do nothing but make it look like we are about to do something.

Posted by martin:

Posted by JohnWallace44:

I honestly don't get Donnie.

All the lovers still believe that he's smart for just biding his time?

Still a genius is he?

Donnie's plan is to get cap flexibility and go after the biggest fish in the Market in 2010 on route to the best team to field a playoff contender.

What was his other course of action? Tie up Lee, Nate, Sessions and trade for whom?

Posted by Papabear:

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by BRIGGS:

I wouldnt assume David Lee will ever sign back with the Knicks after this year and it's very possible with 16 teams under the cap that he will get superior offers. 4mm $ is not enough money to let a player like Sessions to go *hoping* that you're best case scenario even comes close. And if we look at it the other way--the way where Lebron doesnt come here and we lose guys like Lee Harrington darko[if he plays well] on day 1 of fA with all of that money out there--you are left holding a big bag of sht. Acquiring Sessions was a smart hedge

you're left holding cap room for 2011 and you have a very good shot at getting the top pick in the 2011 draft. it wouldn't be fun, but it wouldn't be the end of the world.

sessions is not demonstrably better than duhon or nate - he might grow into a better player, but it's certainly not enough of a difference to risk a chance at Lebron James or even a plan B guy like Amare.

sessions is not flawless, man. he's got no jumper. sure, d'antoni liked him but d'antoni also begged the suns to throw $20 M at Marcus Banks after he was in a very similar situation to Sessions.

Papabear Says
Please stop it! with Lebron James crap. I hope that he signs another deal with Cleveland so I dont have to hear Lebron agan

And I hope your computer blows up so I never have to see another post of yours again.

Posted by kam77:

Kahn pulled a fast one on Donnie. He knew all along if Rubio didn't come, he'd use our cap situation against us and go for Sessions. Going for Rubio was dumb. Going for Sessions was smart.

Oh but Sesions is dumb. Babysit for Rambis in minny or start for D'antoni in nyc?

[Edited by - kam77 on 09-04-2009 1:16 PM]

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Paladin55:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by CrushAlot:

You left this part out.
sessions is not demonstrably better than duhon or nate - he might grow into a better player, but it's certainly not enough of a difference to risk a chance at Lebron James or even a plan B guy like Amare.

sessions is not flawless, man. he's got no jumper. sure, d'antoni liked him but d'antoni also begged the suns to throw $20 M at Marcus Banks after he was in a very similar situation to Sessions

when we renounce duhon and nate leaves--who is the PG?

This is a legitimate issue, IMO. Who are we looking at to be our PG after next year?

Did MDA concur with Walsh's decision not to make an offer to Sessions? Was he, or his brother, even consulted in more than a casual way? I would have left it up to the D'Antoni brothers to decide whether Sessions could have become the Knicks' stud PG of the future, and whether he was worth the Knicks giving him the kind of contract he got from Minny.

He may not be the kind of PG you would want with James on your team- a PG who has a consistent jumper, but even though I want the Knicks to have the cap flexibility to pick up free agents the next few years, I also want them to have a foundation of players who can work with the non-James free agents we are more likely to end up with in 2010 and 2011. At $4M per year for 4 years he would also have some nice trade value if we choose to attain player upgrades through the trade route.

Strange decision by Walsh.

[Edited by - Paladin55 on 09-04-2009 6:01 PM]

The bottom line is he has been too conservative to a fault and in his own hindsight he knows it. We would ALREADY have Ricky Rubio and we would have already traded Lee and Nate to get full value back if this was not true. I think in each case there will be regret for not having cahones to pull a trigger. Some of these guys on the board who have TD slotted for a starting spot in the NBA are going to be disappointed--hes a player who is going to need development time to get used to bigger players at the rim. Big world of difference when you go up against a 6-8 C in college and a 6-7 G in the nBA only to find a 7-1c and 6-10 PF behind him. He is very fast and that will help. Going back to DW--I respect him for sticking to his guns but I think he has swung the pendulum so hard away from IT that we have missed out on great opportunity from conservatism. No risk no rewaRD.

Posted by martin:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Paladin55:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by CrushAlot:

You left this part out.
sessions is not demonstrably better than duhon or nate - he might grow into a better player, but it's certainly not enough of a difference to risk a chance at Lebron James or even a plan B guy like Amare.

sessions is not flawless, man. he's got no jumper. sure, d'antoni liked him but d'antoni also begged the suns to throw $20 M at Marcus Banks after he was in a very similar situation to Sessions

when we renounce duhon and nate leaves--who is the PG?

This is a legitimate issue, IMO. Who are we looking at to be our PG after next year?

Did MDA concur with Walsh's decision not to make an offer to Sessions? Was he, or his brother, even consulted in more than a casual way? I would have left it up to the D'Antoni brothers to decide whether Sessions could have become the Knicks' stud PG of the future, and whether he was worth the Knicks giving him the kind of contract he got from Minny.

He may not be the kind of PG you would want with James on your team- a PG who has a consistent jumper, but even though I want the Knicks to have the cap flexibility to pick up free agents the next few years, I also want them to have a foundation of players who can work with the non-James free agents we are more likely to end up with in 2010 and 2011. At $4M per year for 4 years he would also have some nice trade value if we choose to attain player upgrades through the trade route.

Strange decision by Walsh.

[Edited by - Paladin55 on 09-04-2009 6:01 PM]

The bottom line is he has been too conservative to a fault and in his own hindsight he knows it. We would ALREADY have Ricky Rubio and we would have already traded Lee and Nate to get full value back if this was not true. I think in each case there will be regret for not having cahones to pull a trigger. Some of these guys on the board who have TD slotted for a starting spot in the NBA are going to be disappointed--hes a player who is going to need development time to get used to bigger players at the rim. Big world of difference when you go up against a 6-8 C in college and a 6-7 G in the nBA only to find a 7-1c and 6-10 PF behind him. He is very fast and that will help. Going back to DW--I respect him for sticking to his guns but I think he has swung the pendulum so hard away from IT that we have missed out on great opportunity from conservatism. No risk no rewaRD.

too conservative? Hasn't Walsh played the ultimate non-conservative card by coming up with a plan that goes after LeBron, Bosh, Wade, etc?