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jimimou
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8/12/2009  10:02 AM
Posted by franco12:
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Posted by djsunyc:

remember when i said next year was about gallo? well november + december will be all about curry so they can dump him asap. i wonder if there's a gm willing to take that risk...

Can we trade him to FIU?

if curry puts up double doubles for the first month of the season, some gm will take him. bet on it.
if Curry puts up his career 14/6/55% some GM will take him. He's 26 with a two year deal. 6'11 guys that can score like that are the same as guys that throw 99 mph. Somewhere someone will take a shot on that

agreed

I'd argue that if Curry makes it back to that form and can sustain it, we probably shouldn't just dump him.

Even if we add Lebron, he needs help, and Curry, when he is on, can affect the other teams defense.

I mean, if you can put two guys out there that demand a double team - one on the perimeter, the other down low, then your going to have lots of wide open looks and easy baskets.

Part of my reasoning to keep him is I don't think we're getting any FA in 2010.

However, if we are able to trade him and get little back- ending contract, token second rounder, etc., I'll also be good with that since even if we don't get any FAs in 2010, we do need to be starting over, and I would certainly never extend Curry, no matter what kind of year he puts up.

thats fools gold franco. even if eddie shows 'flashes' of his once 'mediocre at best' performances of the past, we shld still cut bait and run....consider it a gift from the bball gods that he actually showed a few months of dedication to the sport and let's get rid of him. he may command a double team on offense just because of his size, but he allows point guards to dunk on him on defense...he is just not there mentally on the defensive end. dont need another one way player making that much coin....like zbo & crawford were.
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8/12/2009  10:50 AM
Posted by OasisBU:

If he really comes back and contributes do you think he should still be dumped?

I guess his history and the salary he would clear up is a good argument to get rid of him.

If he lost the weight and played like he can, I'd have no problem resigning him.
HOWEVER, you'd be damn sure there would be TEAM options in that contract.
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8/12/2009  10:59 AM
There's no way in hell I would re-sign EC. Even in his one "good" year he was bad. His scoring came at the expense of the team offense, as we would dump it into him every time down, only to see him turn it over by failing to catch an easy pass, or by running into his defender's chest. He is a turnover machine who can't shoot free throws, can't rebound, won't defend and can't pass. I would MUCH rather give Jeffries a new contract than keep Curry.
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8/12/2009  11:32 AM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by OasisBU:

If he really comes back and contributes do you think he should still be dumped?

I guess his history and the salary he would clear up is a good argument to get rid of him.

If he lost the weight and played like he can, I'd have no problem resigning him.
HOWEVER, you'd be damn sure there would be TEAM options in that contract.

If this guy dedicates his life to his profession, I don't see how yiu would want to dump him for a bag of rocks. I know right now the rocks would be a better option, but serios, bigs with his offensive skills are almost non exsisting in this league.

I'm sure if he has a good year it would definitely change peoples perception and you will see more and more people warm up to the idea of a resign, or his value will sky rocket .

I honestly feel he's gonna get off to a good start and be gone by the trade dead line(for those bag of rocks) which right now is what most of us want.

Be careful what you ask for, that some how seems to always back fire.
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8/12/2009  11:40 AM
Mobley & a slimmed down Curry for QRich & Brian Cardinal
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8/12/2009  11:46 AM
If we move his contract will we have enough space to sign 2 elite FA in 2010? Or do we still need to dump more?

I know the cap might change but given what we know right now would it be enough?

If it was I would dump him given his history - I just dont think the rest of the league will be quick to take EC and his history of laziness.
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8/12/2009  11:50 AM
We should move his "slim" behind asap. He's only doing this to get his last contract. No way in hell that paper comes from the Garden. We need expirings and/or a pick. I don't care if he is the second coming of Kareem, I think he will pork up as soon as the ink dries on his next deal. Let some other sucker be the GM to explain that decision. Donnie's too old to mess with such stress.
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8/12/2009  11:57 AM
Posted by purple012870:

Mobley & a slimmed down Curry for QRich & Brian Cardinal

that would be the most hilarious trade of all time.
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8/12/2009  1:11 PM
As much as it may hurt to hear it, Eddy can really help this team to get Lebron. I mean, can you imagine having Lebron driving, Gallo shooting (and hopefully another good shooter), Lee picking up the rebounds (or better yet Darko defending) and Eddy often being single covered? There could be Gallo, Darko and Lebron playing defense (and Hill in another year should be pretty good). Having offensive weapons like Lebron, Gallo and Eddy AND perhaps another max player or great 10 million or so player, would put us in contention imo.

We know we can't depend on Eddy, but we also know that if he plays only as good as he did a few years ago, we would be a very, very good team with Lebron.
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8/12/2009  4:31 PM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by Moonangie:
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I was 185 and lost 25 pounds in 2 month playing tennis. It's 15%
Eddy was 348 and lost 30 pounds in 4 month with 2 special trainers. It's 8%.
Not really impressive result...


You were 185 and you actually wanted to lose 25 pounds? You must be either really short or really skinny.

I am 5'10" and 47 years old. Kind of average.
Now working to get 5-10 pounds of muscles. Feel to light at 160.

I'm the same height. I've dropped from 170 to 150 since memorial day by eating right, working out, and playing bball.
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8/12/2009  4:36 PM
don't forget the weekly crack binge too...
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8/12/2009  5:27 PM
Posted by earthmansurfer:

As much as it may hurt to hear it, Eddy can really help this team to get Lebron. I mean, can you imagine having Lebron driving, Gallo shooting (and hopefully another good shooter), Lee picking up the rebounds (or better yet Darko defending) and Eddy often being single covered? There could be Gallo, Darko and Lebron playing defense (and Hill in another year should be pretty good). Having offensive weapons like Lebron, Gallo and Eddy AND perhaps another max player or great 10 million or so player, would put us in contention imo.

We know we can't depend on Eddy, but we also know that if he plays only as good as he did a few years ago, we would be a very, very good team with Lebron.

I'm all for any Eddy analysis that doesnt completely focus on cheeseburgers and fat jokes, but I dont think Lebron and Curry could co-exist for very long on the court. Eddy clogs the lane better than his arteries (my bad) and Lebron is a slasher and driver that needs his lanes. Thats what made big Z so good for him, because he was largely a spot up shooter and Wallace would simply crash or hang for rebounds.

Since Eddy is unwilling to do anything other than score, I dont see it being a good look.
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8/12/2009  5:49 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by earthmansurfer:

As much as it may hurt to hear it, Eddy can really help this team to get Lebron. I mean, can you imagine having Lebron driving, Gallo shooting (and hopefully another good shooter), Lee picking up the rebounds (or better yet Darko defending) and Eddy often being single covered? There could be Gallo, Darko and Lebron playing defense (and Hill in another year should be pretty good). Having offensive weapons like Lebron, Gallo and Eddy AND perhaps another max player or great 10 million or so player, would put us in contention imo.

We know we can't depend on Eddy, but we also know that if he plays only as good as he did a few years ago, we would be a very, very good team with Lebron.

I'm all for any Eddy analysis that doesnt completely focus on cheeseburgers and fat jokes, but I dont think Lebron and Curry could co-exist for very long on the court. Eddy clogs the lane better than his arteries (my bad) and Lebron is a slasher and driver that needs his lanes. Thats what made big Z so good for him, because he was largely a spot up shooter and Wallace would simply crash or hang for rebounds.

Since Eddy is unwilling to do anything other than score, I dont see it being a good look.

on the other hand, when Eddy is on offensively, he does need double teaming, which would free up a shooter like Gallo and certainly free up LeBron from being doubled himself.
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8/12/2009  6:16 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by earthmansurfer:

As much as it may hurt to hear it, Eddy can really help this team to get Lebron. I mean, can you imagine having Lebron driving, Gallo shooting (and hopefully another good shooter), Lee picking up the rebounds (or better yet Darko defending) and Eddy often being single covered? There could be Gallo, Darko and Lebron playing defense (and Hill in another year should be pretty good). Having offensive weapons like Lebron, Gallo and Eddy AND perhaps another max player or great 10 million or so player, would put us in contention imo.

We know we can't depend on Eddy, but we also know that if he plays only as good as he did a few years ago, we would be a very, very good team with Lebron.

I'm all for any Eddy analysis that doesnt completely focus on cheeseburgers and fat jokes, but I dont think Lebron and Curry could co-exist for very long on the court. Eddy clogs the lane better than his arteries (my bad) and Lebron is a slasher and driver that needs his lanes. Thats what made big Z so good for him, because he was largely a spot up shooter and Wallace would simply crash or hang for rebounds.

Since Eddy is unwilling to do anything other than score, I dont see it being a good look.

on the other hand, when Eddy is on offensively, he does need double teaming, which would free up a shooter like Gallo and certainly free up LeBron from being doubled himself.

Somehwhat, but since his game is so one-dimensional it will probably hurt Bron more than help. Optimally, one would want a KG or David West type forward that can float out, face the basket, and hit the 10-15 ft. shot consistently so that one doesnt have to be in the lane all the time to get his shot. Being versatile enough to play in and out would compliment Lebron's game.

Shaq on the Cavs is going to be interesting.
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8/12/2009  11:28 PM
Since Eddy has a player option for 2010-11, rather than a guaranteed contract, would it be possible for the Knicks to lower their 2010 cap number by a couple of million if they were to sign him to an extension? He is due to make $11.2 in 2010-11 if he uses his option. If the knicks were to instead offer him a back loaded (possibly option riddled)deal for 3 yrs at roughly 6 million guaranteed per (5-6-7) they would have an extra 6 million more to work with under the cap and eddy would have the extra financial security by getting an extra 6.8 million out of his career. At this point, Im assuming that his creditors are having his income executed to pay back his debts, plus his house is in foreclosure, and he has kids to raise, so if he sees the extra money as being more than he would make on the open market over the course of those three seasons, it makes sense for him to do the deal. Also for the Knicks, this is all about cap math. But, Eddy Curry at 5-7 million would also have much more trade value than Eddy Curry at 11 million.

Just an idea to consider.
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8/12/2009  11:46 PM
Posted by cuieee:

Since Eddy has a player option for 2010-11, rather than a guaranteed contract, would it be possible for the Knicks to lower their 2010 cap number by a couple of million if they were to sign him to an extension? He is due to make $11.2 in 2010-11 if he uses his option. If the knicks were to instead offer him a back loaded (possibly option riddled)deal for 3 yrs at roughly 6 million guaranteed per (5-6-7) they would have an extra 6 million more to work with under the cap and eddy would have the extra financial security by getting an extra 6.8 million out of his career. At this point, Im assuming that his creditors are having his income executed to pay back his debts, plus his house is in foreclosure, and he has kids to raise, so if he sees the extra money as being more than he would make on the open market over the course of those three seasons, it makes sense for him to do the deal. Also for the Knicks, this is all about cap math. But, Eddy Curry at 5-7 million would also have much more trade value than Eddy Curry at 11 million.

Just an idea to consider.

If I was Eddy Curry--I would do one thing. I would get down to 285 and play like I did two years ago. If he does that he wont have to worry about 6mm because he will get 40+mm from somebody. He should train like a beast--he already knows how to play basketball---it's all about his body being in top shape able to perform. How can a person be so stupid? If he has money problems--all he has to do is train very seriously and play hard. I can think of a lot of jobs out there that are a tad worse than training/eating well and playing ball that don't pay a fraction of what he could make. He still has the chance to get another 40-50mm--why not go all out?
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8/13/2009  8:32 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by cuieee:

Since Eddy has a player option for 2010-11, rather than a guaranteed contract, would it be possible for the Knicks to lower their 2010 cap number by a couple of million if they were to sign him to an extension? He is due to make $11.2 in 2010-11 if he uses his option. If the knicks were to instead offer him a back loaded (possibly option riddled)deal for 3 yrs at roughly 6 million guaranteed per (5-6-7) they would have an extra 6 million more to work with under the cap and eddy would have the extra financial security by getting an extra 6.8 million out of his career. At this point, Im assuming that his creditors are having his income executed to pay back his debts, plus his house is in foreclosure, and he has kids to raise, so if he sees the extra money as being more than he would make on the open market over the course of those three seasons, it makes sense for him to do the deal. Also for the Knicks, this is all about cap math. But, Eddy Curry at 5-7 million would also have much more trade value than Eddy Curry at 11 million.

Just an idea to consider.

If I was Eddy Curry--I would do one thing. I would get down to 285 and play like I did two years ago. If he does that he wont have to worry about 6mm because he will get 40+mm from somebody. He should train like a beast--he already knows how to play basketball---it's all about his body being in top shape able to perform. How can a person be so stupid? If he has money problems--all he has to do is train very seriously and play hard. I can think of a lot of jobs out there that are a tad worse than training/eating well and playing ball that don't pay a fraction of what he could make. He still has the chance to get another 40-50mm--why not go all out?

Especially considering that he has already started a program that is allegedly working - he could probably get down to 285 by mid season or at worst by the end. So he works hard for a year and gets to 285 then gets a big pay day, just hope its not NY who pays him.
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8/13/2009  8:35 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by cuieee:

Since Eddy has a player option for 2010-11, rather than a guaranteed contract, would it be possible for the Knicks to lower their 2010 cap number by a couple of million if they were to sign him to an extension? He is due to make $11.2 in 2010-11 if he uses his option. If the knicks were to instead offer him a back loaded (possibly option riddled)deal for 3 yrs at roughly 6 million guaranteed per (5-6-7) they would have an extra 6 million more to work with under the cap and eddy would have the extra financial security by getting an extra 6.8 million out of his career. At this point, Im assuming that his creditors are having his income executed to pay back his debts, plus his house is in foreclosure, and he has kids to raise, so if he sees the extra money as being more than he would make on the open market over the course of those three seasons, it makes sense for him to do the deal. Also for the Knicks, this is all about cap math. But, Eddy Curry at 5-7 million would also have much more trade value than Eddy Curry at 11 million.

Just an idea to consider.

If I was Eddy Curry--I would do one thing. I would get down to 285 and play like I did two years ago. If he does that he wont have to worry about 6mm because he will get 40+mm from somebody. He should train like a beast--he already knows how to play basketball---it's all about his body being in top shape able to perform. How can a person be so stupid? If he has money problems--all he has to do is train very seriously and play hard. I can think of a lot of jobs out there that are a tad worse than training/eating well and playing ball that don't pay a fraction of what he could make. He still has the chance to get another 40-50mm--why not go all out?

It really is pretty stupid. When you have a chance to make the kind of money that Eddy can make and you don't because you eat too much, that is just seriously stupid. You have the best doctors (well not the Knicks training staff) in the world at your fingertips. Keep your body right, make your money, retire and then eat like an idiot if you want.
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8/13/2009  8:49 AM
With Eddy - I don't think its about being stupid- I think he's probably depressed. Everyone talks about him being sensitive.

His act certainly wasn't together.

Its good to see him focusing.
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