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MS
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8/3/2009  9:22 AM
Because with Hill off the books and curry off the books thats 14 million in savings which is enough to lure a second max level talent to the next which is more than hill is ever going to be. He has some skills but is very raw and is three years away from really being a player. We have a power forward that gets you 16pts 12rbs, hill is not a center either his frame is not going to let him really pack on the pounds
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8/3/2009  9:30 AM
i see your thinking. since we'd still have a year to do that deal, i'd want to give hill a chance to see what he's got and then decide. as has been mentioned many times here, lee's defensive liabilities make him a less than ideal candidate for a long-term power forward.
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8/3/2009  9:44 AM
dont worry about it. JJ and Curry will both be gone. JJ will go with Mobely and cash and that will save some team a wad. Curry will be the starting center and be a productive guy as he was in every year but last. 14 points, 6 rebs, 55% shooting, and he will be gone around Christmas because he's still 6'11 and still scores at 55%
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8/3/2009  9:49 AM
i don't know man. curry could be toast. i can envision the guy never playing any kind of prolonged minutes in the nba again.
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8/3/2009  10:00 AM
Hill's contract doesn't hurt the Knicks, its Curry and Jeffries. It all depends on what the Knicks do with Nate and Lee now if we could trade one later. The best we have right now is a patient guy like Walsh, who may wait until Curry proves he is healthy again and then trade him without giving up a young player.
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8/3/2009  10:12 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by djsunyc:

walsh, by his actions, basically said last season didn't mean too much and this upcoming season doesn't really matter either.

2010-ALL-IN...

what do you mean by "his actions"? Not have a starting 5 that included Baron, Chandler, Carter, Jeffries?

which team do you think d'antoni would rather coach?
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8/3/2009  10:16 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by martin:
Posted by djsunyc:

walsh, by his actions, basically said last season didn't mean too much and this upcoming season doesn't really matter either.

2010-ALL-IN...

what do you mean by "his actions"? Not have a starting 5 that included Baron, Chandler, Carter, Jeffries?

which team do you think d'antoni would rather coach?

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8/3/2009  10:18 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by martin:
Posted by djsunyc:

walsh, by his actions, basically said last season didn't mean too much and this upcoming season doesn't really matter either.

2010-ALL-IN...

what do you mean by "his actions"? Not have a starting 5 that included Baron, Chandler, Carter, Jeffries?

which team do you think d'antoni would rather coach?

i think he'd rather coach 2 of the top fa's coming up then coach baron & carter beyond this year.
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8/3/2009  10:21 AM
Posted by Marv:

i think he'd rather coach 2 of the top fa's coming up then coach baron & carter beyond this year.

so he's going to coach the heat?
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8/3/2009  10:28 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
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i think he'd rather coach 2 of the top fa's coming up then coach baron & carter beyond this year.

so he's going to coach the heat?

mike's got a good deal here. he's getting freaking rich beyond his dreams, and if his record blows here he can just shrug his shoulders and point to HOF coaches brown and wilkens and then move on.
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8/3/2009  10:41 AM
Posted by Knicksfan:

Hill's contract doesn't hurt the Knicks, its Curry and Jeffries. It all depends on what the Knicks do with Nate and Lee now if we could trade one later. The best we have right now is a patient guy like Walsh, who may wait until Curry proves he is healthy again and then trade him without giving up a young player.

we can also sign nate and lee to 1 year deals to retain flexibliity. or even let them walk.

i'm gonna go with the assumption that curry will not be tradable for an expiring and try to plan ahead keeping that in mind.
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8/3/2009  10:50 AM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by martin:
Posted by djsunyc:

walsh, by his actions, basically said last season didn't mean too much and this upcoming season doesn't really matter either.

2010-ALL-IN...

what do you mean by "his actions"? Not have a starting 5 that included Baron, Chandler, Carter, Jeffries?

which team do you think d'antoni would rather coach?

i think he'd rather coach 2 of the top fa's coming up then coach baron & carter beyond this year.

i was gonna pile on.... Mike has to have known Donnie's rebuild plan was going to be put in place before he signed on. As any good coach should, he will always ask for better players, it's the GMs responsibility to take the feedback and act on it accordingly.
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8/3/2009  10:55 AM
Posted by martin:

i was gonna pile on.... Mike has to have known Donnie's rebuild plan was going to be put in place before he signed on. As any good coach should, he will always ask for better players, it's the GMs responsibility to take the feedback and act on it accordingly.

i don't think anybody knows what they're signing up for until they actually get here...

credit to walsh tho b/c he doesn't give a crap what the fans think. he has his plan and he's sticking to it.
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8/3/2009  11:17 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by martin:

i was gonna pile on.... Mike has to have known Donnie's rebuild plan was going to be put in place before he signed on. As any good coach should, he will always ask for better players, it's the GMs responsibility to take the feedback and act on it accordingly.

i don't think anybody knows what they're signing up for until they actually get here...

credit to walsh tho b/c he doesn't give a crap what the fans think. he has his plan and he's sticking to it.

i think there is a difference signing on as a coach with Donnie as a GM and someone like Isiah. Donnie got a plan and if Mike had any smarts he would have asked Donnie what it was (high level) and either taken the money or gone to a different situation.

It's not that far-fetched to have assumed that the Knicks would suck in year 1 (last year) and shoot towards 2010 as the major building block year. No one in their right mind was expecting the Knicks to trade for huge contracts in 2008 or 2009 with Marbury, Crawford, Big Game, Zbo on the team. It was ripe for teardown.
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8/3/2009  12:08 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by martin:

i was gonna pile on.... Mike has to have known Donnie's rebuild plan was going to be put in place before he signed on. As any good coach should, he will always ask for better players, it's the GMs responsibility to take the feedback and act on it accordingly.

i don't think anybody knows what they're signing up for until they actually get here...

credit to walsh tho b/c he doesn't give a crap what the fans think. he has his plan and he's sticking to it.

i think there is a difference signing on as a coach with Donnie as a GM and someone like Isiah. Donnie got a plan and if Mike had any smarts he would have asked Donnie what it was (high level) and either taken the money or gone to a different situation.

It's not that far-fetched to have assumed that the Knicks would suck in year 1 (last year) and shoot towards 2010 as the major building block year. No one in their right mind was expecting the Knicks to trade for huge contracts in 2008 or 2009 with Marbury, Crawford, Big Game, Zbo on the team. It was ripe for teardown.

agreed and believe there was really no choice but to tear down and be very very cautious with this year. its a huge gamble though because i dont think a big time free agent (lebron, wade, et al) would look at it as an easy decision to come to a team that has no complimentary parts assembled yet, especially considering the buchering nyc's reputation has taken lately on the bball front - thx isaiah.

most of the time, you are only adding a few pieces to an already established roster to take your team to the next level. with the knicks, you're trying to get rid of an entire roster/culture and build up a new one. sans gallo, chandler, nate and lee, who else have you heard of seriously being on the long term radar for the knicks? IMHO its gonna take time to mesh with all these new players, even if you bring in a real stud or 2 to play with whoever remains from this year's roster. i look at jordan in his early years as an example. dude cld score at will, but it wasnt until the team put the rest of the pieces in place that they started winning....same thing goes for cleveland, yet on a smaller scale b/c they aint won anything yet.

here's the current roster, who do you think will stay/go by 2010, then ask yourself, can the remaining players mesh immediately with a marquee free agent.



Knicks 2009-10 Roster


Wilson Chandler
Joe Crawford
Eddy Curry
Toney Douglas
Chris Duhon
Danilo Gallinari
Al Harrington
Jordan Hill
Larry Hughes
Chris Hunter
Jared Jeffries
David Lee (FA)
Darko Milicic
Cuttino Mobley
Nate Robinson (FA)

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8/3/2009  12:43 PM
I think its Joe Johnson and Tyson Chandler. Nate goes, Lee stays and thats that.
PG Sessions
SG Joe Johnson
SF Wilson Chandler
PF David Lee
C Tyson Chandler
Bench: Douglas, Gallo, Al Harrington (comes back for a one year deal)

something like that
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MS
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8/3/2009  1:02 PM
It's not bad if Chandler could actually play. Marcus Camby for the mid-level is something that I think would make some sense.
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8/3/2009  1:04 PM
Joe Johnson will be 30 after the first year of a new contract. He has played an avg of 40mpg over the last 6 seasons.

Its a good chance by 2012 they will be thinking of renaming the Allan Houston rule after Joe Johnson if somebody maxes him.
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8/3/2009  1:06 PM
Posted by McK1:

Joe Johnson will be 30 after the first year of a new contract. He has played an avg of 40mpg over the last 6 seasons.

Its a good chance by 2012 they will be thinking of renaming the Allan Houston rule after Joe Johnson if somebody maxes him.

arenas has dibs first...
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8/3/2009  1:10 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by McK1:

Joe Johnson will be 30 after the first year of a new contract. He has played an avg of 40mpg over the last 6 seasons.

Its a good chance by 2012 they will be thinking of renaming the Allan Houston rule after Joe Johnson if somebody maxes him.

arenas has dibs first...

tru.

takes a real killer dealer to negotiate that kind of extension after missing a season to knee injury
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