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Wisconsin Local TV: Knicks going 5 years, MLE with Sessions
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Moonangie
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7/23/2009  10:13 PM
Posted by s3231:

I like Sessions and I understand that you can often find good players on bad teams (*cough cough Lee*).

Seriously though, I think this is a good opportunity to add a young and talented player to our core at a decent price. Unlike many others, I'm not convinced Wade and LeBron are coming to NY. Consequently, I'm a strong believer in stockpiling assets while maintaining some of that cap flexibility to make a bigger move. Getting Sessions doesn't mean we take ourselves out of 2010.

If Walsh could move Crawford and Zach for expirings, I have faith that he can find a way to unload a guy like Jeffries by adding Nate to the package.

Hallelujah. If that's in the works, this will have been a terrific (and yes, patient) off season. I am already impressed with how well DW has ignored the panic and carefully planned the next moves. We won't be able to score his off season until we find out the restof his moves, but it is starting to look like a solid direction. If we don't move one of our dead weight guys, then I like the 5year deal for RS a lot LESS.

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7/23/2009  10:16 PM
Posted by King1:

Session getting six a year bad team and a one year starter. Remember if he flourish in this system it is inflated. Lee flourished but it doenst count because of the system.
The problem is, Lee did not just play good because of the system. Lee got big numbers because he got major minutes plus Zach got traded. There was no one at the powerforward spot or center spot to take his rebounds or shots away. If Papa Smurf was the coach I feel Lee woud have gotten those numbers.

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7/23/2009  10:27 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

nobody's worried that he put up big #'s on a crap team? you sure it wasn't just a contract year push? you prepared to take a $6+ mil hit to the cap next year for him? what if paul is available via trade? then what?

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-23-2009 9:26 PM]

exactly. paul might be available via trade. we need to be going after this, now.
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7/23/2009  10:29 PM
Jennings is supposed to be a much better prospect than Sessions. That doesn't mean that Sessions wouldn't be good in our system. All it means is that the Bucks value Jennings potential more. They may be right or they might be overrating Jennings. We likely won't know for sure until after another 2 years.

All I know is that the kid looked pretty good and was well spoken of by most in the league. I doubt that he's peaked and a good deal more development is probably in store for Sessions. If that's the case then I'd welcome his addition to the team. As was pointed out Sessions strengths and style of play fit our needs VERY well. Penetrating passing PG that has good size and athletic ability and good court vision. He would seem to fit!

5 years? Well It's only too much if the guy is a bum, otherwise I don't see the big deal. If he's a stud, then you actually get great value on an MLE contract. The length of 5 yrs may be the only way to get the deal done. You gamble a bit and live with the results. I'm guessing that they end up doing 4 yrs.
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7/23/2009  10:33 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by King1:

Session getting six a year bad team and a one year starter. Remember if he flourish in this system it is inflated. Lee flourished but it doenst count because of the system.

You are such a baby about this stuff. No one is saying they don't want Lee. They are saying they don't want Lee at the ridiculouls 10-12 mill a year that he's asking for. When Lee asks for the MLE you will see this whole entire board in favor of signing him.
totally. the nba is about value now, which is fair
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7/23/2009  10:37 PM
As long as Sessions shows he can be a capable starter (which you can make a pretty good argument that he has come awfully close to already showing that), then that MLE contract will surely be tradeable down the line and it will have value.

To me, this is a high-reward low-risk type of move. The only risk that comes with it is if you truly believe that we need to clear enough cap space to max out 2 free agents.

Personally, I don't see that happening and I don't think it is very realistic, which is why I don't see much risk in taking Sessions on. We can take Sessions on, resign Lee, and still make sure we have enough to max out one free agent.

Who knows, if Donnie can use Nate to unload Jeffries, then maybe he could also find a way to trade Eddy if he gets off to a good start.
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7/23/2009  10:38 PM
5 years is a little steap....but session is a nice young prospect we can add to our core of players....to make our team atleast a little appealing for big time free agent ...at the pg we dont a super star guy we just need some..thta can run the team know when n to pass and when to shot.. hopefully session is that...we still got some work to do before offseaon end
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7/23/2009  11:26 PM
i guess he's worth a full MLE contract when u consider his talent, age & the fact we needed a starting PG in a bad way... dunno what happens w/Nate now tho, i hope we can figure out a way to trade him if this deal is finalized & get something back.
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7/23/2009  11:53 PM
Sessions is getting 7 million a year off a bad team and hasnt accomplished really anything and everyone is going crazy. They want Luke Ridnour and drafted another point so they really must have thought Sessions wasnt very good. Session, Chandler, Gallo, Hill, Harrington equals 25 at the most.
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7/23/2009  11:54 PM
Posted by King1:

Sessions is getting 7 million a year off a bad team and hasnt accomplished really anything and everyone is going crazy. They want Luke Ridnour and drafted another point so they really must have thought Sessions wasnt very good. Session, Chandler, Gallo, Hill, Harrington equals 25 at the most.

Good. And Lee has little impact on wins and losses. Accept that and move on with your life.
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7/24/2009  12:05 AM
Lee started this year and they pretty much traded away the whole team. They won 9 more games and he was the best player. How many games did this team lose that were really close? How does he not equate to wins. So if this year he isnt on the team and you go back to 25 that will show you Lee does help win games. Who was your best player last year if Lee wasnt. When he went out of the games no one would set a screen and it would be one on one b asketball
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7/24/2009  12:09 AM
Posted by King1:

Sessions is getting 7 million a year off a bad team and hasnt accomplished really anything and everyone is going crazy. They want Luke Ridnour and drafted another point so they really must have thought Sessions wasnt very good. Session, Chandler, Gallo, Hill, Harrington equals 25 at the most.

i thought a MLE contract was worth about $5.5 mil per? where do u get the $7 mil figure from? if we could sign D Lee to a $7 mil per deal i think most everyone here would be more than satisfied with that.

[Edited by - TMS on 07-24-2009 12:10 AM]
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7/24/2009  12:14 AM
Posted by King1:

Lee started this year and they pretty much traded away the whole team. They won 9 more games and he was the best player. How many games did this team lose that were really close? How does he not equate to wins. So if this year he isnt on the team and you go back to 25 that will show you Lee does help win games. Who was your best player last year if Lee wasnt. When he went out of the games no one would set a screen and it would be one on one b asketball

What a bunch of baseless statement. When he wasn't playing it was one on one basketball? No, it wasn't. That is just false.

Stop with this 9 more game stuff already. They won 9 more games because they cleared out the garbage and cancers from the team and hired a competent coach with a system. That got us 9 more wins, not David Lee. If you honestly think that David Lee added 9 wins to the team then you are on another planet. David Lee has never impacted a game that way. He's not a go-to guy, his offense is average at best(no, scoring off the pick and roll does not make him great - stop) and his defense is atrocious. That is not impacting a game.

Knicks will lose a lot, with or without Lee. The fact that you say Lee is the difference between playoffs and a top 5 lottery pick is a complete and utter JOKE.
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7/24/2009  12:19 AM
i think the real question is ....what do think sessions impact can be on our team ...sinse it loks like we gonna bring him in to the pg of the future?is he worth it?
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7/24/2009  12:46 AM
I don't think donnie is dumb enough to offer sessions that much money
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7/24/2009  12:47 AM
Posted by King1:

Session getting six a year bad team and a one year starter. Remember if he flourish in this system it is inflated. Lee flourished but it doenst count because of the system.

Make up your mind. Is Sessions getting 6 a year or 7?
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7/24/2009  1:41 AM
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by djsunyc:

nobody's worried that he put up big #'s on a crap team? you sure it wasn't just a contract year push? you prepared to take a $6+ mil hit to the cap next year for him? what if paul is available via trade? then what?

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-23-2009 9:26 PM]

exactly. paul might be available via trade. we need to be going after this, now.

Amare or Bosh migh tbe available in 2010, so i guess we shouldn' sign Lee
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7/24/2009  3:25 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

nobody's worried that he put up big #'s on a crap team? you sure it wasn't just a contract year push? you prepared to take a $6+ mil hit to the cap next year for him? what if paul is available via trade? then what?

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-23-2009 9:26 PM]

If Paul becomes available via trade, then having a good pg like Sessions improves the package we can send back to the Hornets in exchange for Paul.
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7/24/2009  3:29 AM
Sessions is a solid pg. He has Nate's ability to penetrate, with a better grasp of running the offense. The dude is only 23 and entering his third season, which means that he has plenty of room to improve. I say go for the 5 yr deal. People think it is too long, but in 3 years, we could all be saying Sessions is way underpaid. A top-flight starting pg is worth $10 million a season easy. Sessions has that potential. A five-year deal may actually save us money in the longrun.
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7/24/2009  5:56 AM
I would absolutely love it if we grabbed Sessions.
Wisconsin Local TV: Knicks going 5 years, MLE with Sessions

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