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7/23/2009  5:02 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
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not a Bayless fan... at all. Hated his FG% in college. All I see is Jamal Crawford part II. A volume shooting off guard in a point guard's body.

Hinrich is a real PG, and he is one of the better defenders at the position. We need guys like that on the floor late in games. A guy that can drill a three, set up a teammate for an easy score and get then get a stop. He's a real two way guy.

Fish, I'm curious what you didn't like about Bayless's FG% in college? He shot 45% overall from the field, 40% from 3 and 84%ft.
was it that high? I honestly thought it was much lower. Maybe thats Gordon I was thinking of. I would have to trust management on that one. He's not a guy I would target. He's young I will say that

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7/23/2009  5:15 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by fishmike:

not a Bayless fan... at all. Hated his FG% in college. All I see is Jamal Crawford part II. A volume shooting off guard in a point guard's body.

Hinrich is a real PG, and he is one of the better defenders at the position. We need guys like that on the floor late in games. A guy that can drill a three, set up a teammate for an easy score and get then get a stop. He's a real two way guy.

Fish, I'm curious what you didn't like about Bayless's FG% in college? He shot 45% overall from the field, 40% from 3 and 84%ft.
was it that high? I honestly thought it was much lower. Maybe thats Gordon I was thinking of. I would have to trust management on that one. He's not a guy I would target. He's young I will say that

Coulda been Gordon, he was 43% from the field and 33% from 3.

I'm kinda with you on Bayless, kinda right in the middle. As Martin also said, I'm not in love with the fact that he's not a pure PG, but he is an able-passer and he can definitely score and handle the ball. I think you put him in MikeD's offense and just because of the court-spacing and speed of the game he ends up with 8apg.
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7/23/2009  6:22 PM
a number 1 pick and a lottery guard who would be a junior this year still carrying the potential tag = assets. what is not to like about that?

if Bayless can actually play thats even better considering it wasn't NY who spent the pick on him and Lee wasn't loss for nothing.

[Edited by - McK1 on 07-23-2009 6:25 PM]
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7/23/2009  6:59 PM
Bayless and a pick is decent...getting some ready made players would be beter though....the kicker is not to take on salary...Knicks don't have a pic next year...Bayless isn't a pass first pg, but he still is a point guard. Low risk high reward. What if Bayless puts up 12-14pts and 5-7 assist getting major minutes as a Knick? Knicks basically get a major steal.

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7/23/2009  7:04 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by fishmike:

not a Bayless fan... at all. Hated his FG% in college. All I see is Jamal Crawford part II. A volume shooting off guard in a point guard's body.

Hinrich is a real PG, and he is one of the better defenders at the position. We need guys like that on the floor late in games. A guy that can drill a three, set up a teammate for an easy score and get then get a stop. He's a real two way guy.

Fish, I'm curious what you didn't like about Bayless's FG% in college? He shot 45% overall from the field, 40% from 3 and 84%ft.
was it that high? I honestly thought it was much lower. Maybe thats Gordon I was thinking of. I would have to trust management on that one. He's not a guy I would target. He's young I will say that

Coulda been Gordon, he was 43% from the field and 33% from 3.

I'm kinda with you on Bayless, kinda right in the middle. As Martin also said, I'm not in love with the fact that he's not a pure PG, but he is an able-passer and he can definitely score and handle the ball. I think you put him in MikeD's offense and just because of the court-spacing and speed of the game he ends up with 8apg.


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nyk4 was right. Bayless did shoot 40% from the arc and 45% from the field in college. I'll take him in a trade for Lee or Nate. He's more of a short 2 than a point guard, but he can play the point and may get better at it in time.
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7/23/2009  7:33 PM
Posted by joec32033:
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I'm only going to say this because I never say this. I have a source who usually gets everything right but doesn't say too much anymore. Today, he was commenting on the rumors about the Bulls with Lee and says it has some legs. Said it was just talks and he'll find out more and say whatever news he has tonight. No trade imminent but something like this has been discussed:
D Lee to Chicago
Hinrich to Portland
Bayless/pick to NY

Thoughts?

That would be outstanding

I just posted an idea with a trade just like that with Ty Thomas and Bayless coming here.....I'm like Mr. Cleo.

You would think the Bulls have some more trading to do because if they get Lee in this particular trade, and only lose Hinrich, they would have Lee, Deng, Miller, Noah, Jerome James, Thomas, James Johnson, and Taj Gibson on their roster, with, from what I can see, only two decent guards, Rose and Salmons. (Have they picked up any backcourt help that I am forgetting?) Kind of an unbalanced team- they need at least 2 more guards, if you ask me.
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7/23/2009  7:38 PM
if NY gets Bayless I doubt very highly he'll see many pg minutes. I do think he'll be given a chance to go out and score.
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7/23/2009  7:46 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Bayless and a pick is decent...getting some ready made players would be beter though....the kicker is not to take on salary...Knicks don't have a pic next year...Bayless isn't a pass first pg, but he still is a point guard. Low risk high reward. What if Bayless puts up 12-14pts and 5-7 assists getting major minutes as a Knick? Knicks basically get a major steal.

Go Donnie go.

You could see the points if he plays 20-25 minutes, but not the assists, IMO. I also read Portland fans discussions about how off his outside shooting was last year. Could have been the system, confidence, mechanics- but who knows?

You would have to put your faith in the fact that Bayless was observed by the Knick last year prior to the draft, as well as this past season when we played Portland. If Walsh and MDA feel he can be a plus, who can argue with that, but you have to wonder why Portland is so willing to let him go when they really need a PG, and spent a lottery pick a guy who was supposed to be able to play PG.


You sounded like you really like Sessions, though. Would you rather have have Sessions at $5-6M/4yrs, or Bayless and what will probably amount to a pick in the low twenties? (Which we could use with our Denver (actually Clippers, I think) 2nd to perhaps move up into the mid-teens in the 2010 Draft.)

Just a thought.

[Edited by - Paladin55 on 07-23-2009 7:47 PM]
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7/23/2009  9:06 PM
I dont really see the Bulls being all that interested in LEE IMO. They just drafted a couple of PF's in James Johnson and Taj Gibson. They've got Noah and Tyrus Thomas although it seems they are trying to trade Thomas. The only Center they have is Brad Miller and thats for one more year. I guess a Lee/Noah frontcourt tandem could work decently but theyd be better off getting a true low post PF. I would think they would be looking at a Center or a combo guard like Bayless to take over Ben Gordon's role.
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7/23/2009  9:13 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by GKFv2:

I'm only going to say this because I never say this. I have a source who usually gets everything right but doesn't say too much anymore. Today, he was commenting on the rumors about the Bulls with Lee and says it has some legs. Said it was just talks and he'll find out more and say whatever news he has tonight. No trade imminent but something like this has been discussed:
D Lee to Chicago
Hinrich to Portland
Bayless/pick to NY

Thoughts?

interesting. Bayless is a 2, right? Not at all a 1, so essentially you are filling out your bench.

But it does mean the backcourt is crowded: Duhon, Hughes, Nate, Douglas are already there. But I do suspect that Nate will be gone with Jefferies.

"filling out the bench" seems to imply we have a starting 2. we do not.

im not a huge bayless fan, but i might do this trade, because i like bayless on a rookie deal more than dlee at $9M.
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7/24/2009  1:51 AM
I feel crazy, but a part of me will never let it die:

Lee --> Chicago
Hinrich --> Portland
Bayless / pick --> NY

Bayless --> MN
Rubio or Flynn --> NY

-that makes no need to sign Sessions to a long term deal
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7/24/2009  12:19 PM
Lame rumor.

If true I don't want anything Chicago is willing to give up.

I agree with the others who have stated it:

Let Chicago send their unwanteds to Portland and we'll take what Portland has to offer.

How's that sound?
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7/24/2009  4:42 PM
Sorry folks, doesn't seem like anything came of it.
The "other" deal I referred to last night was for David Lee in a sign-and-trade. That fell through this morningabout 1 hour ago from web in reply to akeippela
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7/24/2009  4:44 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

Sorry folks, doesn't seem like anything came of it.
The "other" deal I referred to last night was for David Lee in a sign-and-trade. That fell through this morningabout 1 hour ago from web in reply to akeippela
http://twitter.com/chadfordinsider

Andre Miller signing confirms that. Portland has maybe 2M in cap space left. Don't see them trading us 8M of their assets for 10M of Lee just to fill up their cap. They especially aren't going for Hinrich in that proposed 3-way rumor either now that they got Miller.

Oh well.. Knicks continue to wait.
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7/24/2009  5:14 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
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Sorry folks, doesn't seem like anything came of it.
The "other" deal I referred to last night was for David Lee in a sign-and-trade. That fell through this morningabout 1 hour ago from web in reply to akeippela
http://twitter.com/chadfordinsider

Andre Miller signing confirms that. Portland has maybe 2M in cap space left. Don't see them trading us 8M of their assets for 10M of Lee just to fill up their cap. They especially aren't going for Hinrich in that proposed 3-way rumor either now that they got Miller.

Oh well.. Knicks continue to wait.

Well, I guess that's 3M of their assets since Lee is BYC and worth half his salary if we do this? These things are confusing, but, I think that's the play here...if Portland still wanted to S&T for Lee, they can. They give him 10M, He's worth 5M BYC, They give us back 5M but have 2M in space to absorb some play, so all we "need" to take back is 3M of anyone they have.

I think doing that puts them over the cap though by the BYC difference...since instead of 8 we take back 5 - so then they're over by 5.

Eh, someone else do this math, I've had enough of this garbage.

Again, until other FA situations - and players who are on the block situations - are settled? We have NO reason to act on Nate and Lee - and neither does any other team.

So, the waiting goes on. That's fine. It's still July here. We have plenty of time to figure this out. No rush no hurry no locking up money in someone that can't carry the team to victory.
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7/24/2009  5:16 PM
Before they committed to Miller, the Blazers made a strong push for Lee, a power forward. On Tuesday night, Blazers coach Nate McMillan and front-office executives Kevin Pritchard and Tom Penn had dinner with Lee in Las Vegas to make their recruiting pitch.

One source said the Blazers offered Lee a variety of options, including an opt-out clause that would have made him an unrestricted free agent in the summer of 2011.

But the Knicks and Portland could not agree in discussions Thursday on any kind of a sign-and-trade deal, and the Blazers did not want to risk losing Miller over the seven-day waiting period had they chosen to use their cap space to tender an offer sheet to Lee, which New York would have had the right to match.

Lee, attending Team USA's mini-camp in Las Vegas, confirmed the Tuesday night recruiting meeting and said he was intrigued by the possibility of playing for Portland, although he never thought a deal was close.

"At this point it's going to come down to sign-and-trades vs. trying to get something worked out with New York," Lee told ESPN.com. "Sign and trades, with base-year and compensation and all that stuff, can get complicated. But I think there's enough teams out there that we've had contact with that are excited about trying to get something done that it's a possibility we can do it."

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7/27/2009  10:04 AM
Frank Isola says...
If Lee isn't signed, the Knicks will try to work out and sign and trade. The Bulls have always been high on Lee and may try to work out a deal. The Knicks like Kirk Hinrich but Chicago would likely push Tyrus Thomas.

I would have happy with a deal for either one. Maybe throw in Jeffries? I think that Hinrich could do really well here as a pass first guard who can play defense



[Edited by - kingofelpaso on 07-27-2009 10:07 AM]
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7/27/2009  11:04 AM
Posted by kingofelpaso:

Frank Isola says...
If Lee isn't signed, the Knicks will try to work out and sign and trade. The Bulls have always been high on Lee and may try to work out a deal. The Knicks like Kirk Hinrich but Chicago would likely push Tyrus Thomas.

I would have happy with a deal for either one. Maybe throw in Jeffries? I think that Hinrich could do really well here as a pass first guard who can play defense



[Edited by - kingofelpaso on 07-27-2009 10:07 AM]

We grab Hinrich you kiss LeBron or Wade or Bosh or anyone goodbye unless you really feel that Eddy Curry and Jared Jeffries are out the door for 2010s.

Hinrich got PAID.

I do like him but all the same....if we take on Hinrich then we stop the 2010 plan RIGHT NOW and use those 50M expirings to load up on "talent" ala Isiah.

Otherwise, prepare to win 35 games in 2010-2011 and then try to make a run at 2011 free agents I guess?

I don't know. I'd prefer to watch Chicago send it's garbage to Portland, and we take back Portland's availables. Yet, with them signing Andre Miller that is the end of Hinrich to Portland.

Meh...I don't know. I know losing Lee for nothing is a tough pill to swallow - but - it's not worth taking back long term trash just to say you got something in return is it!?

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I heard the tyrus thomas name being thrown around. I watched the bulls last year and this guy's game has improved a lot.

I also wouldn't mind getting bayless and outlaw and see if we can offer the wolves a nice package for either flynn or rubio... just throwing stuff out there....
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7/27/2009  11:24 AM
Posted by Markji:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by GKFv2:

I'm only going to say this because I never say this. I have a source who usually gets everything right but doesn't say too much anymore. Today, he was commenting on the rumors about the Bulls with Lee and says it has some legs. Said it was just talks and he'll find out more and say whatever news he has tonight. No trade imminent but something like this has been discussed:
D Lee to Chicago
Hinrich to Portland
Bayless/pick to NY

Thoughts?

That would be outstanding
Bayless is an unproven combo guard who cant shoot from beyond the 3 pt arc. Nate is similar but better than Bayless and we have Nate already. I'm not hot on Bayless. He was going to be a top pick in last year's draft and fell to #11 with 5 guards taken before him. We don't need Bayless. We need a point guard ....and we need a SG who can hit the 3pt with 40% consistency.

It is the grass is greener effect. Both gallo and hill have showed so much more than bayless in limited time, yet both Gallo and hill are bust. Meanwhile, Bayless had the chance to secure the PG spot and was a hot mess, the guy couldn't shoot, pass and had a shaky handle. yet you have people around here, the same people that call hill a bust, will praise bayless for being mediocre at best...

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