Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by TMS:

face it dude, that team of yours would only make us into a .500 type team, not a serious contender... repeat of the same ol' crap we've been doing since Ewing left... what's the point?

did you think the magic could get to the finals with shard at the pf?

dude, they have Dwight Howard, a true franchise stud & the best C in the NBA... this is the second time u bring up the Magic example as if that team was built around Rashard Lewis... come on already

the whole point i've been making for the past 8 years is that we need a franchise stud to build around before we can seriously think of ourselves as a contender... you're proposing we repeat the same mistakes of targetting 2nd rate stars w/o foundation & thinking that's gonna lead us to a title.

If all it takes is one bad move to criple a franchise and set them back, then one good move should set up the franchise for years to come..trust me we all know both can happen fast.

The idea of having a franchise staying in the top 5 usually depends on having a franchise player cause you continue to tweek rather then drafting to get better.

Reguardless of what your trying to do and where your franchise is, your always going to hire the most qualified GM and coach. IMO the worst coach we have had in this post Ewing was don chaney and soft ass lenny wilks

Posted by TMS:

face it dude, that team of yours would only make us into a .500 type team, not a serious contender... repeat of the same ol' crap we've been doing since Ewing left... what's the point?

When we were a .500 team that had a legitimate chance of making the playoffs? Not recently so yes that is a major improvement.

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by TMS:

face it dude, that team of yours would only make us into a .500 type team, not a serious contender... repeat of the same ol' crap we've been doing since Ewing left... what's the point?

When we were a .500 team that had a legitimate chance of making the playoffs? Not recently so yes that is a major improvement.

in the years after Ewing left... i wasn't happy w/it then & i wouldn't be happy w/it now... if you're happy w/1st round exits out of the playoffs, knock yourself out... i wanna target a title at some point in my lifetime.

Posted by djsunyc:


i bring up shard b/c i'm trying to show you that nobody knows as much as they think they do. i am presenting another way of building a team.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-22-2009 11:23 AM]

as soon as you let me know the last time your way of building a team netted a championship maybe i'll reconsider your points.

Posted by djsunyc:

i don't disagree with you. nor did i ever say walsh should dump his plan.

i am saying that the knicks should've went the buying route b/c there's no guarantee you're getting a top 50 player of all time (which is what you need to win a title since title seems to be the end all be all in terms of "winning" around here). at least with the buying route, you don't have knicks fans sitting through 30 win seasons hoping for the savior. some fans are fine with sitting and waiting. that's fine. but i strongly disagree with it. not good business and not fair to the fans.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-22-2009 11:26 AM]

u're disagreeing w/Walsh's plan, obviously you're not happy with it... you wanna build the team going the buying route, completely opposite of what Walsh is doing... how else should we take it but to mean you think Walsh's plan is highly flawed & the wrong path to take?

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by djsunyc:


i bring up shard b/c i'm trying to show you that nobody knows as much as they think they do. i am presenting another way of building a team.

as soon as you let me know the last time your way of building a team netted a championship maybe i'll reconsider your points.

lol @championship. there's a good chance you never seen one in your lifetime...would you still be dissapointed? knicks haven't won since 1973...damn near 40 years ago and you're talking about championship? championship is not the end all be all - i've been saying that in every post.

yeah, i'd be disappointed if i never got to celebrate a Knicks championship in my lifetime... that should be the ultimate goal of every sports fan if u ask me... not sure why u feel the need to belittle my desire to win one... you don't have to have witnessed a title run in your lifetime to justify wanting to experience it, that's ridiculous... u don't think Cubs fans wanna win the WS at some point during their lifetimes?

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by djsunyc:

i don't disagree with you. nor did i ever say walsh should dump his plan.

i am saying that the knicks should've went the buying route b/c there's no guarantee you're getting a top 50 player of all time (which is what you need to win a title since title seems to be the end all be all in terms of "winning" around here). at least with the buying route, you don't have knicks fans sitting through 30 win seasons hoping for the savior. some fans are fine with sitting and waiting. that's fine. but i strongly disagree with it. not good business and not fair to the fans.

u're disagreeing w/Walsh's plan, obviously you're not happy with it... you wanna build the team going the buying route, completely opposite of what Walsh is doing... how else should we take it but to mean you think Walsh's plan is highly flawed & the wrong path to take?

since you keep bringing up championship, walsh's plan of signing a free agent to lead to one happened once over the past 30+ years...shaq signing w/ the lakers. but you could argue that it had as much to do with drafting kobe. outside of that, name the last championship by a team that signed their best player via free agency?

here's where you're consistently wrong in analyzing Walsh's plan... u repeat this mistake in every discussion on the 2010 issue... Walsh's plan is NOT to sign a FA to lead us to a championship... his plan is to attain a FRANCHISE STUD to lead us to a championship... in order to do that, he's trying to free up cap space, acquire young assets & expiring contracts to give him options to try & pursue one... free agency is merely 1 of his options at his disposal... he's consistently said that he'd nix the 2010 plan if the right player became available in a trade... players like Zach freakin' Randolph & Vince Carter are obviously not on that list.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by djsunyc:

i don't disagree with you. nor did i ever say walsh should dump his plan.

i am saying that the knicks should've went the buying route b/c there's no guarantee you're getting a top 50 player of all time (which is what you need to win a title since title seems to be the end all be all in terms of "winning" around here). at least with the buying route, you don't have knicks fans sitting through 30 win seasons hoping for the savior. some fans are fine with sitting and waiting. that's fine. but i strongly disagree with it. not good business and not fair to the fans.

u're disagreeing w/Walsh's plan, obviously you're not happy with it... you wanna build the team going the buying route, completely opposite of what Walsh is doing... how else should we take it but to mean you think Walsh's plan is highly flawed & the wrong path to take?

since you keep bringing up championship, walsh's plan of signing a free agent to lead to one happened once over the past 30+ years...shaq signing w/ the lakers. but you could argue that it had as much to do with drafting kobe. outside of that, name the last championship by a team that signed their best player via free agency?

here's where you're consistently wrong in analyzing Walsh's plan... u repeat this mistake in every discussion on the 2010 issue... Walsh's plan is NOT to sign a FA to lead us to a championship... his plan is to attain a FRANCHISE STUD to lead us to a championship... in order to do that, he's trying to free up cap space, acquire young assets & expiring contracts to give him options to try & pursue one... free agency is merely 1 of his options at his disposal... he's consistently said that he'd nix the 2010 plan if the right player became available in a trade... players like Zach freakin' Randolph & Vince Carter are obviously not on that list.

lol...ok name the last team that won a championship who's best player was acquired via trade?

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by djsunyc:

i don't disagree with you. nor did i ever say walsh should dump his plan.

i am saying that the knicks should've went the buying route b/c there's no guarantee you're getting a top 50 player of all time (which is what you need to win a title since title seems to be the end all be all in terms of "winning" around here). at least with the buying route, you don't have knicks fans sitting through 30 win seasons hoping for the savior. some fans are fine with sitting and waiting. that's fine. but i strongly disagree with it. not good business and not fair to the fans.

u're disagreeing w/Walsh's plan, obviously you're not happy with it... you wanna build the team going the buying route, completely opposite of what Walsh is doing... how else should we take it but to mean you think Walsh's plan is highly flawed & the wrong path to take?

since you keep bringing up championship, walsh's plan of signing a free agent to lead to one happened once over the past 30+ years...shaq signing w/ the lakers. but you could argue that it had as much to do with drafting kobe. outside of that, name the last championship by a team that signed their best player via free agency?

here's where you're consistently wrong in analyzing Walsh's plan... u repeat this mistake in every discussion on the 2010 issue... Walsh's plan is NOT to sign a FA to lead us to a championship... his plan is to attain a FRANCHISE STUD to lead us to a championship... in order to do that, he's trying to free up cap space, acquire young assets & expiring contracts to give him options to try & pursue one... free agency is merely 1 of his options at his disposal... he's consistently said that he'd nix the 2010 plan if the right player became available in a trade... players like Zach freakin' Randolph & Vince Carter are obviously not on that list.

lol...ok name the last team that won a championship who's best player was acquired via trade?

boston and kevin garnett?

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by Bippity10:

Do we want to build a team to compete for the playoffs? Or do we want to rebuild an organization that has been the laughinstock of the world for 10 years? we are trying to rebuild an entire organization. Look at your squad. Look at how young they are getting. Isn't this what rebuilding teams do?

personally, i don't think most sports fans really know what they want.

I agree with you here.

that's outrageous.

what we all want is to get laid while our partner screams out our uk handle.