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7/20/2009  6:36 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by eViL:
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the thing is that none of this matter until 2010. that's what the knicks are banking on. so knicks patience will only last till next july...and then walsh has to deliver.

as for rebuilding? last year's lotto pick basically missed the whole season. not necessarily something to get behind if you're a knicks fan. last knicks lotto pick worth anything was ewing.

can't control injuries. they happen. part of the game is luck. gallo's injury was bad luck.

whether we get the coveted FA's in 2010 or not, at least we have a chance. better than banking on some trade for a flawed star player with a big contract and two more terrible players with even worse contracts. franchise players are rarely available. in 2010, at least three of them will be up for grabs. not being in play for that FA market would be the stupidest situation a GM could put his team in.

i don't agree with that. the injury thing is why knicks fans can't get behind rebuilding...knicks draft picks have been bad for a long long long time.

secondly, outside of signing lebron, making prudent expiring year deals with d'antoni would have the knicks winning BIG. title? probably not, but only the lucky few get those. lebron hasn't yet and wade may not get another one either. but winning 50+ games and advancing in the playoffs? most certainly.

knicks fans are so fixated on that one franchise player in that it's totally altering their thinking and expectations on putting together a team that wins games. waiting for the savior, that's the plan. i think that's BS. i think you make moves to get the best players that fit together and go to war with that. dwight howard may never win a title. the list goes on and on and on.

as for rebuilding...i somewhat agree that you can't really rebuild in ny b/c there's no patience in ny. why? b/c the money being spent in this city won't allow it. you can't sit back, buy tickets at premium prices and ask fans to be patient. those that are willing to rebuild are non-season ticket holders. i surprise myself when i say this but isiah had the *right* idea...just very poor execution. he was in over his head. look at cuban...he's not waiting around, he's spending trying to win right now. that's what the knicks should be doing.

the question i pose is if the knicks don't get lebron or wade in 2010, was this plan worth it? some will say it is...but i strongly disagree with that. you can find comparable players to the other free agents in 2010 via the trade market.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-19-2009 8:33 PM]

So if that's the case, what is the rush? Why not give the young guys a year to develop, give yourself a shot at Lebron etc. If you don't get one of those guys you are still in position to get the same type of guys you could have rushed to get this year.
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7/20/2009  7:24 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by eViL:
Posted by djsunyc:

the thing is that none of this matter until 2010. that's what the knicks are banking on. so knicks patience will only last till next july...and then walsh has to deliver.

as for rebuilding? last year's lotto pick basically missed the whole season. not necessarily something to get behind if you're a knicks fan. last knicks lotto pick worth anything was ewing.

can't control injuries. they happen. part of the game is luck. gallo's injury was bad luck.

whether we get the coveted FA's in 2010 or not, at least we have a chance. better than banking on some trade for a flawed star player with a big contract and two more terrible players with even worse contracts. franchise players are rarely available. in 2010, at least three of them will be up for grabs. not being in play for that FA market would be the stupidest situation a GM could put his team in.

i don't agree with that. the injury thing is why knicks fans can't get behind rebuilding...knicks draft picks have been bad for a long long long time.

secondly, outside of signing lebron, making prudent expiring year deals with d'antoni would have the knicks winning BIG. title? probably not, but only the lucky few get those. lebron hasn't yet and wade may not get another one either. but winning 50+ games and advancing in the playoffs? most certainly.

knicks fans are so fixated on that one franchise player in that it's totally altering their thinking and expectations on putting together a team that wins games. waiting for the savior, that's the plan. i think that's BS. i think you make moves to get the best players that fit together and go to war with that. dwight howard may never win a title. the list goes on and on and on.

as for rebuilding...i somewhat agree that you can't really rebuild in ny b/c there's no patience in ny. why? b/c the money being spent in this city won't allow it. you can't sit back, buy tickets at premium prices and ask fans to be patient. those that are willing to rebuild are non-season ticket holders. i surprise myself when i say this but isiah had the *right* idea...just very poor execution. he was in over his head. look at cuban...he's not waiting around, he's spending trying to win right now. that's what the knicks should be doing.

the question i pose is if the knicks don't get lebron or wade in 2010, was this plan worth it? some will say it is...but i strongly disagree with that. you can find comparable players to the other free agents in 2010 via the trade market.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-19-2009 8:33 PM]
Why not get one big star via free agency that you couldn't just get with expiring contracts and then make "prudent use of expiring contracts" to build a great supporting cast?
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7/20/2009  7:48 AM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Marv:
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Posted by eViL:

you can't rebuild in new york

yes you can you just need a plan.

hahn who works for newsday who is owned by cablevision whom is owned by dolan who also owns the knicks is already running a damage control story for 2010...
Posted by eViL:


can't control injuries. they happen. part of the game is luck. gallo's injury was bad luck.

gallo's bad back was known about prior to drafting him

[Edited by - McK1 on 07-19-2009 8:19 PM]

btw i think that's total bull****. the ONLY person who ever uttered that was kiki that one time. i think he was talking out of his ass and then he stfu about it because he realized he didn't know wtf he was talking about.

i'm sure it was a lucky guess.

what "guess?" he said it AFTER the injury. a guess is something that's offered up prior to an event becoming public knowledge, not long after.
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7/20/2009  7:51 AM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by eViL:

you can't rebuild in new york

yes you can you just need a plan.

hahn who works for newsday who is owned by cablevision whom is owned by dolan who also owns the knicks is already running a damage control story for 2010...
Posted by eViL:


can't control injuries. they happen. part of the game is luck. gallo's injury was bad luck.

gallo's bad back was known about prior to drafting him

[Edited by - McK1 on 07-19-2009 8:19 PM]

btw i think that's total bull****. the ONLY person who ever uttered that was kiki that one time. i think he was talking out of his ass and then he stfu about it because he realized he didn't know wtf he was talking about.

i'm sure it was a lucky guess.

what "guess?" he said it AFTER the injury. a guess is something that's offered up prior to an event becoming public knowledge, not long after.

Not true. I'm guessing Barack Obama will beat John McCain in the 2008 election!

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 07-20-2009 07:51 AM]
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7/20/2009  9:48 AM
And yes i wrote this bored, in my draws, scratching my balls. I thought this was ultimateknicks not ultimatenazis.com! I don't have to wait for the popular forum vote to judge. The capspace in 010 is great. IMO personnel wise the game has passed Walsh by and NY needs a younger FO guy to lead New York into the next decade.

I agree with your whole post. When I first heard the Mullin rumors I thought that was a terrible idea, but Mullin has had some great moves and some awful ones. If you bring him in and make him work in a confined salary space then you might have what we should have had with Isiah the whole time.

Walsh is rolling down the highway in an '85 Honda that's burning oil, while Petri, Morey and the other young stud GM's are zipping by in the passing lane.

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7/20/2009  10:09 AM
If Walsh would have traded Nate and jEffries to saco and gotten back a pick, I think we would be right where we want to be as a team. He also should have done the trade with Washington for Hughes. Think if we had gotten Flynn and Hill or Flynn and Derozan. We would be set at pg (Flynn is killing it in SL). Walsh has been solid, but he has not made the deals that would really push us over the top. Based on Hill's play, it seems pretty clear we need to resign Lee.
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7/20/2009  11:58 AM
Does anyone really expect to win a Championship in 2010? I think that is a lofty goal. I think that the use of free agency to supplement a young core is a way to build a contending playoff team. As long as Kobe is in LA, there is no certainty to a Championship. Walsh knows how to run a bsaketball team, and, like some of you say, he probably should bring in some young blood to be the GM. That said, you are out of your mind if you think the Knicks are better off without Donnie Walsh than with him. We are better off without James Dolan, but Walsh knows his stuff.

People on this board make statements about what Walsh has and hasn't done and what he should have done, but the guy knows how to work the phones and he knows enough about the inner workings of the front office to know how to get a deal done. We don't read about him speaking with the Jazz and assume that it never happened. As though we have an magic viewing glass called the NYPost to see his every action (or inaction). I assume there is a lot we don't know about cause it doesn't make it to print.

You ask why he is talking to old vets like Hill and Kidd? Did it occur to you that for a 1 year (or even a three year) rental, the wisdom and experience a HOF PG like Kidd can add to a locker room that is otherwise devoid of experience might be worth many millions of dollars? The best veteran voice we have had in the lockerroom has been QBrick... what has he done to earn the right to say anything? I would have loved to have Jason Kidd running this team and telling Jordan Hill where to position himself on the fast break to get the score.

This is Walsh's second draft and we have used each of our 1st round picks and obtained a third 1st round pick using money. We picked up a 2nd rd pick for Balkster. He moved Crawford and Randolph and got back more than what the people on this board thought we could get (i.e. we didn't have to give up a pick).

He has "pissed" off Lee and Nate by not re-signing them at overpriced contracts (its not like other teams are knocking down the door... why are they solely upset at Walsh? If I were Lee I would be pissed at Bartlestein... he is clearly screwing up with Lee, where is the offer sheet from anyone other than the Knicks...that's his only f-ing job). Even then, I think $7-8m is a good price for Lee, but at the end of the day, if you don't have an exit strategy on Curry and Jeffries, it will cost us a max FA to keep Lee. Walsh doesn't need to move fast on this.

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7/20/2009  12:15 PM
"IMO personnel wise the game has passed Walsh by and NY needs a younger FO guy to lead New York into the next decade. "

Didn't we say the same thing about Larry Brown
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7/20/2009  12:17 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

"IMO personnel wise the game has passed Walsh by and NY needs a younger FO guy to lead New York into the next decade. "

Didn't we say the same thing about Larry Brown

And...?

Has Larry proved that he's a genius again?
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7/20/2009  12:30 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by Bippity10:

"IMO personnel wise the game has passed Walsh by and NY needs a younger FO guy to lead New York into the next decade. "

Didn't we say the same thing about Larry Brown

And...?

Has Larry proved that he's a genius again?

No....But I think he's proven that the game hasn't "passed him by"
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7/20/2009  1:04 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by Bippity10:

"IMO personnel wise the game has passed Walsh by and NY needs a younger FO guy to lead New York into the next decade. "

Didn't we say the same thing about Larry Brown

And...?

Has Larry proved that he's a genius again?

No....But I think he's proven that the game hasn't "passed him by"

What did he do to prove that?
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7/20/2009  1:32 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by Bippity10:

"IMO personnel wise the game has passed Walsh by and NY needs a younger FO guy to lead New York into the next decade. "

Didn't we say the same thing about Larry Brown

And...?

Has Larry proved that he's a genius again?

No....But I think he's proven that the game hasn't "passed him by"

What did he do to prove that?

What didn't he do?
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7/20/2009  1:35 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by Bippity10:

"IMO personnel wise the game has passed Walsh by and NY needs a younger FO guy to lead New York into the next decade. "

Didn't we say the same thing about Larry Brown

And...?

Has Larry proved that he's a genius again?

No....But I think he's proven that the game hasn't "passed him by"

What did he do to prove that?

What didn't he do?

i do hope that with all this silly basketball arguing you've all taken the time to vote for rosario dawson.
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7/20/2009  1:36 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by Bippity10:

"IMO personnel wise the game has passed Walsh by and NY needs a younger FO guy to lead New York into the next decade. "

Didn't we say the same thing about Larry Brown

And...?

Has Larry proved that he's a genius again?

No....But I think he's proven that the game hasn't "passed him by"

What did he do to prove that?

What didn't he do?

i do hope that with all this silly basketball arguing you've all taken the time to vote for rosario dawson.

Why no, I hadn't. I'll go do that now.

Thanks Marv!
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7/20/2009  1:39 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by Bippity10:

"IMO personnel wise the game has passed Walsh by and NY needs a younger FO guy to lead New York into the next decade. "

Didn't we say the same thing about Larry Brown

And...?

Has Larry proved that he's a genius again?

No....But I think he's proven that the game hasn't "passed him by"

What did he do to prove that?

What didn't he do?

i do hope that with all this silly basketball arguing you've all taken the time to vote for rosario dawson.

Why no, I hadn't. I'll go do that now.

Thanks Marv!

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7/20/2009  1:39 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by Bippity10:

"IMO personnel wise the game has passed Walsh by and NY needs a younger FO guy to lead New York into the next decade. "

Didn't we say the same thing about Larry Brown

And...?

Has Larry proved that he's a genius again?

No....But I think he's proven that the game hasn't "passed him by"

What did he do to prove that?

What didn't he do?

i do hope that with all this silly basketball arguing you've all taken the time to vote for rosario dawson.

Why no, I hadn't. I'll go do that now.

Thanks Marv!

you're welcome basketballjones. you're the sendcloskiest.

I went and looked at the contest... Gee, I don't know - Cuthbert looks pretty good to me.
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Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by Bippity10:

"IMO personnel wise the game has passed Walsh by and NY needs a younger FO guy to lead New York into the next decade. "

Didn't we say the same thing about Larry Brown

And...?

Has Larry proved that he's a genius again?

No....But I think he's proven that the game hasn't "passed him by"

What did he do to prove that?

What didn't he do?

i do hope that with all this silly basketball arguing you've all taken the time to vote for rosario dawson.

Why no, I hadn't. I'll go do that now.

Thanks Marv!

you're welcome basketballjones. you're the sendcloskiest.

I went and looked at the contest... Gee, I don't know - Cuthbert looks pretty good to me.

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Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by Bippity10:

"IMO personnel wise the game has passed Walsh by and NY needs a younger FO guy to lead New York into the next decade. "

Didn't we say the same thing about Larry Brown

And...?

Has Larry proved that he's a genius again?

No....But I think he's proven that the game hasn't "passed him by"

What did he do to prove that?

What didn't he do?

i do hope that with all this silly basketball arguing you've all taken the time to vote for rosario dawson.

Why no, I hadn't. I'll go do that now.

Thanks Marv!

you're welcome basketballjones. you're the sendcloskiest.

I went and looked at the contest... Gee, I don't know - Cuthbert looks pretty good to me.

She has stiff legs though.
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7/20/2009  2:41 PM
Cap space is great. The LeBron talk is exciting because it reflects a coming reality that we'll actually be below the cap and not still paying Shandon Anderson and banking on the Allan Houston Exception that isn't used for Allan Houston and other such embarrassing nonsense. "Do no harm" is a great operating motto here. A championship is great, but I'd truly be satisfied with some Knicks playoff basketball before the 2nd Avenue subway opens.

[Edited by - DrAlphaeus on 07-20-2009 2:48 PM]
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7/20/2009  2:48 PM
Posted by McK1:

here we go....

nope I didn't watch the last game.

Did you watch the first 3 games where he couldn't or wouldn't box out, looked totally lost defensively, tripped over his own feet when trying to make post moves, had jumpshots sound off like cannonballs when they hit the back of the rim or missed totally and clanked the backboard.

You kept asking how'd he look in the Kings game and heard crickets for a reason. 12 rebounds fell in his lap. Watch the tape and see the Kings playing volleyball on their glass while hill stood silently bye watching waiting praying one of those balls get tipped long. watch him on O show little strength to finish whatever he thought up in his mind was a good move. watch him build a castle and the surrounding moat on what was suppose to be his strength - face up shooting. 2 of his 3 field goals were dunks off pick n rolls and he traveled with noone around on one of them.

I read the game thread for the bulls game. he got a tip back for a dunk. what were his other 3 field goals?

hill has been garbage.

edit: this is all I'm going to say about Hill. I'm not going to hi-jack this thread. Its alot more to talk about in it than Hill. You or TMS could've joined the Kings thread if you wanted to discuss Hill.

[Edited by - McK1 on 07-19-2009 3:15 PM]

[Edited by - McK1 on 07-19-2009 3:20 PM]

i don't pay much mind to SL games one way or the other... when guys explode like Nate did in SL games i don't pronounce them as untouchable like some other guys do around here, nor do i call any prospect a bust before i ever even see them play in a an NBA game either... from what i've seen in Hill's game in college i think he's got a lotta potential, but he's still unproven as are every other prospect in this draft including Blake Griffin... just give the kid a little more than 3 games in the SL sample is all i'm saying... if after a full year u still don't see any thing in this kid's game that would lead u to believe he won't have much of a chance to be a good prospect for us, then u can make ur argument then... pronouncing him a bust at this juncture is just talking outta ur ass cuz u didn't happen to agree w/the pick just like other people were doing w/Gallo last year.
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