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kam77
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7/16/2009  11:48 AM
Bring him back. But don't start him.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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McK1
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7/16/2009  11:52 AM
Posted by GodSaveTheKnicks:

McK1

Why would MDA (can we just call him Cliff?) prioritize finding shots for Tim Thomas vs. letting the rooster crow?

What would his reasoning be?

The only legitamate reason would be if he thought Timmy gave us a better chance of winning games. And if the Italian coach who sees Gallo practice, scrimmage, and play every day decides that Timmy is a better option..don't you have to assume he knows SOMETHING?

Is what you're saying that you want to even remove the tiny chance of MDA delusionally thinking Timmy > Gallo by not even having him on the roster?

More importantly..who else would you like to add for depth at the 3,4 spots?

1. because timmy has spent more time in the system and veterans are prone to less mistakes

2. to win now

3. no I don't. I do know losing by 4-5 and losing by 10 still counts as a loss.

4. Yes

5. Warrick. I don't mind somebody eating into Harrington's time on the court one bit.
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7/16/2009  11:53 AM
do NOT bring him back. sorry eny, i react to him like you do to cp3. i think he's a big phony. that bs of talking D last year when he was miked up. please. give me a personal f**king break. i'd rather add jerome again than pick up tiny tim. (but then again i'd rather add jerome than pick up anyone other than wade and lebron).
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7/16/2009  11:57 AM
Posted by Marv:

do NOT bring him back. sorry eny, i react to him like you do to cp3. i think he's a big phony. that bs of talking D last year when he was miked up. please. give me a personal f**king break. i'd rather add jerome again than pick up tiny tim. (but then again i'd rather add jerome than pick up anyone other than wade and lebron).

I don't hold as much hostility towards Timmy (There are few athletes that I do hold hostility towards, unless it's Pacman Jones, Michael Vick, ect..) but I agree that we don't need him on the team. I liked how he led our second unit at times, but we need vets who can really win, and the two we were targetting slipped away. Tim is not one of those guys, so you might as well just use the roster space for a young guy like Almond, who even fills a need. He's probably a better shooter than Tim anyway.
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7/16/2009  12:44 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by McK1:

donnie could bring back Shandon and people will convince themselves of why its a good move.

Tim has no place here. Those are Gallinari's minutes and shots he'd be taking.

Cut it out dude...why you gotta disrespect everyone by mentioning Shandon Anderson's name?

BTW, if Gallinari is so good then he will beat out a proven vet like Tim Thomas for minutes. Thats been the problem with the Knicks. Young guys don't have good players to learn from and get better. Tim Thomas isn't Grant Hill but at this stage of their careers he's pretty close.

Gallinari was the 6th pick. Why would a 50 loss team make their lotto selection compete with a Tim Thomas for minutes? Makes zero sense. Knicks won 32 games and will be lucky at this point to match that win total. STICK GALLINARI IN THE FIRE!

No, we have to protect his back. If you stick Gallinari in the fire, he'll be barbecue.
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7/16/2009  12:57 PM
A head coach is allowed to have at least one "coach's favorite" on the team. Is Tim an MDA favorite?

I thoughtThomas actually played fine for us last year- even showed some passion at times. If MDA can get maximum effort from him at a minimum salary, what is not to like, unless he pushes someone off the team who might be a better contributor down the road.

1- Duhon
2- Douglas
3- Hughes
4- Chandler
5- Gallinari
6- Jeffries
7- Harrington
8- Milicic
9- Hill
10- Curry
11- Mobley
12- Nate
13- Lee
14- ???
15- ???


??? List

Thomas

Almond
Crawford
Tskitishvili
Singleton
Carter
Whomever...

At the most- I would think that we have 5 spots to fill...at the least, 2. Depends on what we do with Lee, Nate, and Mobley.

What would be best for the team?
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7/16/2009  1:09 PM
What would be best for the team?


Waive the white flag
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7/16/2009  1:34 PM
I agreee with pal55. I'm sure he's not a priority just a decent option. Tim is in no way shape or form a good role player,he's a proffesional and solid character guy. But his work ethic sucks, and he's unbelievable inconsistant
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7/16/2009  1:43 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by GodSaveTheKnicks:

McK1

Why would MDA (can we just call him Cliff?) prioritize finding shots for Tim Thomas vs. letting the rooster crow?

What would his reasoning be?

The only legitamate reason would be if he thought Timmy gave us a better chance of winning games. And if the Italian coach who sees Gallo practice, scrimmage, and play every day decides that Timmy is a better option..don't you have to assume he knows SOMETHING?

Is what you're saying that you want to even remove the tiny chance of MDA delusionally thinking Timmy > Gallo by not even having him on the roster?

More importantly..who else would you like to add for depth at the 3,4 spots?

1. because timmy has spent more time in the system and veterans are prone to less mistakes

2. to win now

3. no I don't. I do know losing by 4-5 and losing by 10 still counts as a loss.

4. Yes

5. Warrick. I don't mind somebody eating into Harrington's time on the court one bit.


i see. so even if tim thomas did give the knicks a better shot at winning now..for you it's just not worth any of Danilo's minutes.

i guess i can agree with that.

if we still had a lottery, i'd say play all the rooks and let's go to tanktown baby.

i kind of want to win now just to not go through the heartache of watching utah pick a stud with our pick.
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Ira
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7/16/2009  1:43 PM
There's no need for him now on our roster. He'd rot on the bench. If we do trade a forward for a guard, and if he's still available, he's worth considering. As was said, he was a better player the second time we had him than he was the first. We won't have to trade for him and he won't cost much.
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7/16/2009  2:29 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by Marv:

do NOT bring him back. sorry eny, i react to him like you do to cp3. i think he's a big phony. that bs of talking D last year when he was miked up. please. give me a personal f**king break. i'd rather add jerome again than pick up tiny tim. (but then again i'd rather add jerome than pick up anyone other than wade and lebron).

I don't hold as much hostility towards Timmy (There are few athletes that I do hold hostility towards, unless it's Pacman Jones, Michael Vick, ect..) but I agree that we don't need him on the team. I liked how he led our second unit at times, but we need vets who can really win, and the two we were targetting slipped away. Tim is not one of those guys, so you might as well just use the roster space for a young guy like Almond, who even fills a need. He's probably a better shooter than Tim anyway.
Marv's a bigger fan of the other Tiny Tim!
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7/16/2009  3:00 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by McK1:

donnie could bring back Shandon and people will convince themselves of why its a good move.

Tim has no place here. Those are Gallinari's minutes and shots he'd be taking.

Cut it out dude...why you gotta disrespect everyone by mentioning Shandon Anderson's name?

BTW, if Gallinari is so good then he will beat out a proven vet like Tim Thomas for minutes. Thats been the problem with the Knicks. Young guys don't have good players to learn from and get better. Tim Thomas isn't Grant Hill but at this stage of their careers he's pretty close.

Gallinari was the 6th pick. Why would a 50 loss team make their lotto selection compete with a Tim Thomas for minutes? Makes zero sense. Knicks won 32 games and will be lucky at this point to match that win total. STICK GALLINARI IN THE FIRE!

sound like every other maniac you hear on sports talk radio...

you can't always throw guys out there and expect them to just dominate. Gallinari is a special dude as far as his professionalism...he gets it...but Just like Grant Hill if he was here, the young guys need a goals and they need to be held accountable. If they can't earn their spot over Tim Thomas...cuz Tim Thomas is going to bring his game...then they don't deserve to play. If they can prove they can beat out Tim Thomas then they belong in this league.

loser teams sticking young guys out there and letting them get use to the speed and physicality of the NBA instead of making them languish behind no longer beneficial here vets works everywhere else, why can't we try it here?
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7/16/2009  3:24 PM
Posted by Paladin55:

A head coach is allowed to have at least one "coach's favorite" on the team. Is Tim an MDA favorite?

I thoughtThomas actually played fine for us last year- even showed some passion at times. If MDA can get maximum effort from him at a minimum salary, what is not to like, unless he pushes someone off the team who might be a better contributor down the road.

1- Duhon
2- Douglas
3- Hughes
4- Chandler
5- Gallinari
6- Jeffries
7- Harrington
8- Milicic
9- Hill
10- Curry
11- Mobley
12- Nate
13- Lee
14- ???
15- ???


??? List

Thomas

Almond
Crawford
Tskitishvili
Singleton
Carter
Whomever...

At the most- I would think that we have 5 spots to fill...at the least, 2. Depends on what we do with Lee, Nate, and Mobley.

What would be best for the team?

From this group we will probably have available only:

1- Duhon
2- Douglas
3- Hughes
4- Chandler
5- Gallinari
6- Jeffries
7- Harrington
8- Milicic
9- Hill

THis team SUCKS big time...
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7/16/2009  11:27 PM
The Bulls bought out TT quite quickly. His salary for this year is $6.4 mil as an expiring contract. I guess they are paying him close to $5 mil for the buyout - I havent heard any exact figure. But they didn't even wait for any trades to develop. I know they drafted 2 forwards but still, I would think they would keep trying on the trades even if one wasn't immediately available. Was there some conflict between TT and the Bulls?
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7/17/2009  12:50 AM
Isn't this the second time the Bulls have said "No thanks" to Tim's services? I seem to recall him sitting out one season, before getting traded to Phoenix.
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7/17/2009  12:58 AM
^That is correct. And guess what team he was traded from the first time.
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7/17/2009  6:20 AM
Posted by BasketballJones:

Isn't this the second time the Bulls have said "No thanks" to Tim's services? I seem to recall him sitting out one season, before getting traded to Phoenix.
So why did the Bulls trade for TT again? And with him they received Jerome James($6 mil for this year) and Roberson. Doesn't seem they could use any of these players. Did they just want to get rid of Larry Hughes that badly??

Not sure what is going on with the Bulls, but if TT is healthy, I would sign him.
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7/17/2009  8:01 AM
our current rotation/depth (assuming Lee/Nate are back playing their QOs at the worst)
PGs: Duhon, Nate, Douglas
SGs: Larry Hughes
SFs: Chandler, Gallinari
PFs: Lee, Harrington, Jefferies
Cs: Curry, Darko, Hill

Harrington can play some 3 and Nate/Douglas can play some 2 but for a team thats has a style of play built around skilled wing players we dont have a lot of depth there at all.

If we sign TT it wont be Gallo's minutes he takes, it will be a big. Hill, Curry or Darko will ride pine so TT can get minutes
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7/17/2009  10:06 AM
Posted by fishmike:

our current rotation/depth (assuming Lee/Nate are back playing their QOs at the worst)
PGs: Duhon, Nate, Douglas
SGs: Larry Hughes
SFs: Chandler, Gallinari
PFs: Lee, Harrington, Jefferies
Cs: Curry, Darko, Hill

Harrington can play some 3 and Nate/Douglas can play some 2 but for a team thats has a style of play built around skilled wing players we dont have a lot of depth there at all.

If we sign TT it wont be Gallo's minutes he takes, it will be a big. Hill, Curry or Darko will ride pine so TT can get minutes

aye aye.

I really hope we don't go into the season with Hughes as our only legit option at the 2.

Who else is out there that's ok at 2? Should we depend on the summer league guys or the NBDL for a stopgap solution and just keep cycling guys on 10 days?
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7/17/2009  10:17 AM
Posted by GodSaveTheKnicks:
Posted by fishmike:

our current rotation/depth (assuming Lee/Nate are back playing their QOs at the worst)
PGs: Duhon, Nate, Douglas
SGs: Larry Hughes
SFs: Chandler, Gallinari
PFs: Lee, Harrington, Jefferies
Cs: Curry, Darko, Hill

Harrington can play some 3 and Nate/Douglas can play some 2 but for a team thats has a style of play built around skilled wing players we dont have a lot of depth there at all.

If we sign TT it wont be Gallo's minutes he takes, it will be a big. Hill, Curry or Darko will ride pine so TT can get minutes

aye aye.

I really hope we don't go into the season with Hughes as our only legit option at the 2.

Who else is out there that's ok at 2? Should we depend on the summer league guys or the NBDL for a stopgap solution and just keep cycling guys on 10 days?
MDA will probably go light on the bigs again. Lee was the center last year and Harrington the PF.

If the season were to start today I think the rotation would be 4 guards and 4 forwards
Duhon
Hughes
Chandler
Harrington
Lee
with Nate, Douglas and Gallinari off the bench.

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