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7/11/2009  9:20 AM
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60495/20090711/miller_for_duhon_discussed/

Miller For Duhon Discussed
A source close to the situation said that Chris Duhon's agent, Kevin Bradbury, "is exploring the possibility" of the Sixers signing and trading Andre Miller to the Knicks in return for Duhon.

The Sixers reportedly want more than just Duhon.

The mid-level exception is all the Knicks could offer Miller in a straight signing. But in a sign-and-trade, the team could pay Miller a bit over $7.6 million in the first contract season because of the 125% plus $100,000 rule governing trades. Duhon makes a little more than $6 million next season, his final contract year.

Via PhillyBurbs.com
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7/11/2009  9:51 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60495/20090711/miller_for_duhon_discussed/

Miller For Duhon Discussed
A source close to the situation said that Chris Duhon's agent, Kevin Bradbury, "is exploring the possibility" of the Sixers signing and trading Andre Miller to the Knicks in return for Duhon.

The Sixers reportedly want more than just Duhon.

The mid-level exception is all the Knicks could offer Miller in a straight signing. But in a sign-and-trade, the team could pay Miller a bit over $7.6 million in the first contract season because of the 125% plus $100,000 rule governing trades. Duhon makes a little more than $6 million next season, his final contract year.

Via PhillyBurbs.com
That would be a huge acquisition for us. Miller can run the offense and help us have a respectable season. We can still trade Jeffries if we add in sweetener and that would take as much off our payroll as adding Miller would add. As long as we add good players at reasonable contracts, I'm not concerned about adding payroll. Lee and Miller each at $7 mil a season would be fine but we can't add more beyond that. Then I think we'd have a pretty solid team next year actually. We might have to throw in a TON of sweetener but we can get rid of Jeffries and Curry's contracts and enter the 2010 FA market with a .500 team (I think keeping Lee and getting Miller puts us at .500) and space for at least one max contract FA. Then we should still have space for a max contract FA in 2011 too.
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7/11/2009  10:05 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by nyk4ever:

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60495/20090711/miller_for_duhon_discussed/

Miller For Duhon Discussed
A source close to the situation said that Chris Duhon's agent, Kevin Bradbury, "is exploring the possibility" of the Sixers signing and trading Andre Miller to the Knicks in return for Duhon.

The Sixers reportedly want more than just Duhon.

The mid-level exception is all the Knicks could offer Miller in a straight signing. But in a sign-and-trade, the team could pay Miller a bit over $7.6 million in the first contract season because of the 125% plus $100,000 rule governing trades. Duhon makes a little more than $6 million next season, his final contract year.

Via PhillyBurbs.com
That would be a huge acquisition for us. Miller can run the offense and help us have a respectable season. We can still trade Jeffries if we add in sweetener and that would take as much off our payroll as adding Miller would add. As long as we add good players at reasonable contracts, I'm not concerned about adding payroll. Lee and Miller each at $7 mil a season would be fine but we can't add more beyond that. Then I think we'd have a pretty solid team next year actually. We might have to throw in a TON of sweetener but we can get rid of Jeffries and Curry's contracts and enter the 2010 FA market with a .500 team (I think keeping Lee and getting Miller puts us at .500) and space for at least one max contract FA. Then we should still have space for a max contract FA in 2011 too.

I was thinking about this earlier... Andre Miller is a definite upgrade at pg. He is heady, not flashy playmaker, can score (underrated) and is a decent man on man defender. My concern is Philly reportedly wants more in return???? What would that be, fut picks as compensation?

I do not think a S&T w/ Philly will happen str8 up... we might require a 3rd team to help a deal go through.



[Edited by - JayNYC on 07-11-2009 10:06 AM]
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7/11/2009  10:25 AM
I'd want A LOT more in return for Miller than simply Duhon.
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7/11/2009  10:30 AM
Come on guys. Miller ain't coming. Kidd ain't coming. Hill Ain't coming.

We got Darko. That's this year's consolation prize. Personally, I'm glad to have one of the Marx Brothers on the team.

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7/11/2009  10:36 AM
Posted by BasketballJones:

Come on guys. Miller ain't coming. Kidd ain't coming. Hill Ain't coming.

We got Darko. That's this year's consolation prize. Personally, I'm glad to have one of the Marx Brothers on the team.

Chico, Harpo, Groucho, Gummo, Zeppo & Darko

LOL! You crazy SOB.
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7/11/2009  10:43 AM
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We can offer tham a unique money deal--if we can give them Mobley and the 3mm not only do they save 12.5mm$ but they also lose 3mm on the top side of the cap. That is a lot of enticement--throwing in pick 8 for an expiring player--you have to be kidding me. Boozer is a goner--that will be fact. 13mm to the Jazz is an enticing trade which would enable them to keep Millsap.

problem with the mobley deal is that while it's insured, it's still on their cap. they want non-guaranteed deals that can be waived off the cap because they are too close to the luxury tax.

I would be putting 24 hours a day into the Utah possibility--work any and every angle to see if we can get something down. We have additional non guaranteed contracts I believe--are there other teams who have non-guaranteed contracts trade that we could involved to shove in and get Matt Harprings contacts into the deal? I really do not think Utah wants to lose Millsap--I don't see it as a venue they really want to walk down--hes not easy to replace. If we could add in Harprings contract with non guarnteed money going back in ADDITIOn to Mobley contract and perhaps 3mm$--I think Utah would be coming to the table with Boozer AND either Kpufus and or our pick back[in the best case scenario both but I doubt it] If I could make a money deal for Utah so good that it makes too much sense for them to walk away from it--we could have boozer and Koufus and believe me that would be the best haul we have seen in a lomg time
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7/11/2009  10:43 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

I'd want A LOT more in return for Miller than simply Duhon.

lmfao, yeah... well, since you put it like that.

I would imagine that Philly Philly could fleece any team trying to s&t. The reality is they'd be dealing from a position in which they have marginal productivity... stacked at PG. A trade at this point, would merely be in respects of helping Andre Miller gain more money on the market. They do not NEED to trade w/ NYK or anybody else. They've got Louis Williams and Jrue Holiday in the fold. Miller is unrestricted, and free to sign elsewhere... and the 76ERS are obviously not willing to meet his contract demands. Clearly, other teams are not either as they do not have cap space available. So mid-level money is what Miller and his agent would be looking at, if he signed outright. The money would be considerably less in that regard! That being said, I can see Chris Duhon being good in a backup role for them until Jrue realizes his potential. I would consider extra cash, maybe a 2nd rd pick as well.
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7/11/2009  10:49 AM
Posted by JayNYC:
Posted by Bonn1997:

I'd want A LOT more in return for Miller than simply Duhon.

lmfao, yeah... well, since you put it like that.

I would imagine that Philly Philly could fleece any team trying to s&t. The reality is they'd be dealing from a position in which they have marginal productivity... stacked at PG. A trade at this point, would merely be in respects of helping Andre Miller gain more money on the market. They do not NEED to trade w/ NYK or anybody else. They've got Louis Williams and Jrue Holiday in the fold. Miller is unrestricted, and free to sign elsewhere... and the 76ERS are obviously not willing to meet his contract demands. Clearly, other teams are not either as they do not have cap space available. So mid-level money is what Miller and his agent would be looking at, if he signed outright. The money would be considerably less in that regard! That being said, I can see Chris Duhon being good in a backup role for them until Jrue realizes his potential. I would consider extra cash, maybe a 2nd rd pick as well.

If you tell all 30 NBA GMs you're willing to do a sign and trade involving Andre Miller for a contract starting at around $30 mil, they will get a FAR better offer than Duhon plus a 2nd round pick. IMO Duhon plus Hill or an unprotected 1st round pick is the starting point of any negotiation.
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7/11/2009  11:18 AM
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If you tell all 30 NBA GMs you're willing to do a sign and trade involving Andre Miller for a contract starting at around $30 mil, they will get a FAR better offer than Duhon plus a 2nd round pick. IMO Duhon plus Hill or an unprotected 1st round pick is the starting point of any negotiation.

Hey, Thats why I am no GM! lol

However, I do disagree; Primarily, because If that were truly the case.. Portland which was the first reported AGGRESSIVE suitor would have a deal in place by now. They see that the asking price is too high for a player that has limited impact. Philly is going to field offers like Travis Outlaw and Steve Blake at a maximum return. Yeah, its a better option than Duhon str8 up; but I'm not sold on any other teams willingness to overpay a hefty asking price for a 2nd tier NBA caliber, that is 30 plus. Especially given the market trend. Look at what's happened thus far in this free agent offseason. You've seen the likes of Jason Kidd, Ron Artest and Mike Bibby all sign for mid-level money... and they were ALL-STARS at points in their respective career. For NYK, considering we have NO 1st rd pick in next yr's draft... it would be silly (IMO) to offer unprotected picks, or any 1st rd pick for that matter. CASH CONSIDERATIONS. Dealing away draft picks that we don't have would be a sign of panic, and quite frankly would have us viewing Donnie in the same light as Scot Layden and Zeke for mortgaging our future on a player that will not significantly upgrade our team.. and produce more wins. In the end, we may be underbidding w/ an offer of Duhon, cash and a 2nd.. heck, maybe you are 100% correct that it doesnt get it done. My consolation would be knowing that we weren't victims of a trade because we wanted a stop gap player, lost focus on the 2010-2011 plan, and ultimately became impatient.






[Edited by - JayNYC on 07-11-2009 11:50 AM]
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7/11/2009  11:46 AM
I don't see Miller as a stop gap option. I see him running the offense on whatever team we can build starting in 2010. At this point, Miller is a lot better than Kidd or G Hill. Teams competing for a championship would love to have him IMO. We'll see what happens since we're just speculating now. I hope I'm wrong and your offer gets the deal done though.
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7/11/2009  12:24 PM
Earlier someone posted a trade barb about Carlos Boozer... Im kinda lazy and really dont feel like scrolling up to see who lol;

Anyway, he is an absolute beast... and Utah is fielding offers because they'd prefer Millsap over him. I think he'd upgrade our front court, but can't imagine him doing it with the same efficiency as he would in Utah. In short, I think he is a product of his system. Mobley/Hughes and Hill for Boozer??? I'd cosign it.. but I would try to get Eric Maynor included in the deal as well.

The thing that scares me with Carlos is that he may not re-up with the team he is traded to!
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7/11/2009  12:28 PM
Posted by JayNYC:

Earlier someone posted a trade barb about Carlos Boozer... Im kinda lazy and really dont feel like scrolling up to see who lol;

Anyway, he is an absolute beast... and Utah is fielding offers because they'd prefer Millsap over him. I think he'd upgrade our front court, but can't imagine him doing it with the same efficiency as he would in Utah. In short, I think he is a product of his system. Mobley/Hughes and Hill for Boozer??? I'd cosign it.. but I would try to get Eric Maynor included in the deal as well.

The thing that scares me with Carlos is that he may not re-up with the team he is traded to!

Carlos is a gypsie, has no loyalty, and is a liability to bolt off on us at any point. Still, he would be a beast here and also the first legit 'star-in-their-prime' since Ewing.
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7/11/2009  12:42 PM
Carlos is a gypsie, has no loyalty, and is a liability to bolt off on us at any point. Still, he would be a beast here and also the first legit 'star-in-their-prime' since Ewing.

Not for nothing, in his defense.. these NBA/ sports organizations in general, are not exactly loyal to their players; or fans for that matter as well. It's hit or miss w/ Boozer.. he is definitely a talent; but is also a Like I mentioned, the prospect of him leaving us after we complete a trade w/ Utah is great.. and that scares me. I'd strongly push for Eric Maynor to be included in a potential deal.

[Edited by - JayNYC on 07-11-2009 12:42 PM]
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7/12/2009  9:22 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

I don't see Miller as a stop gap option. I see him running the offense on whatever team we can build starting in 2010. At this point, Miller is a lot better than Kidd or G Hill. Teams competing for a championship would love to have him IMO. We'll see what happens since we're just speculating now. I hope I'm wrong and your offer gets the deal done though.

I totally agree! Miller is a better option than Kid or Hill. He'll be 34 and is a natural pg that can rebound, defend and faciltate the offense. He's a general on the floor. He can't really shoot but thats where he'll set up the other players. I always liked Miller since his days with utah in college.

With him as pg, phildephia made the playoffs 2 straight yrs and with no dominate frontcourt player.

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7/12/2009  9:52 AM
Posted by WOODMANnYk:
Posted by Bonn1997:

I don't see Miller as a stop gap option. I see him running the offense on whatever team we can build starting in 2010. At this point, Miller is a lot better than Kidd or G Hill. Teams competing for a championship would love to have him IMO. We'll see what happens since we're just speculating now. I hope I'm wrong and your offer gets the deal done though.

I totally agree! Miller is a better option than Kid or Hill. He'll be 34 and is a natural pg that can rebound, defend and faciltate the offense. He's a general on the floor. He can't really shoot but thats where he'll set up the other players. I always liked Miller since his days with utah in college.

With him as pg, phildephia made the playoffs 2 straight yrs and with no dominate frontcourt player.

I disagree that Andre Miller is better than Jason Kidd or Grant Hill at this point in their careers... But Hey, it doesn't matter now!

Like I suggested, D'Antoni and Walsh view Miller as a 1 yr option. He'd be a Stop Gap indeed! Based on reports The NYK Brass seemingly are not as high on Andre Miller's ability to flourish in an uptempo set.

I beg to differ w/ that assessment. I think Andre Miller is efficient in the half court set; he's super slow on the break... but still can push the ball. He can be a good addition to a team on the cusp of winning, but if the team is not doing as well.. HE WILL BE A MALCONTENT. The problem w/ Miller is he's not the type of point guard that will change the culture of a team. That is clearly the type of player Walsh is seeking at a bargain price on the market. . That aside, It is rumored that they have Ramon Sessions rated higher but are fearful the Milwaukee Bucks match their offer.

The focus will now be on grooming Toney Douglas as a solid backup! Re-signing our own free agents... Quietly pursuing deals for MARQUEE Talents on the block and/or that either improve our cap situation in hopes of making a splash in next years free agency. Donnie Walsh has a plan!
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7/12/2009  11:10 AM
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60523/20090712/dantoni_shoots_down_miller_duhon_rumors/

D'Antoni Shoots Down Miller-Duhon Rumors
Jul 12, 2009 10:43 AM EST

Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni appears to have denied rumors that the team could send Chris Duhon to the 76ers for Andre Miller.

"What was that?" D'Antoni told the New York Times. "I can't believe that."

The deal would have to be a sign-and-trade because Miller is a free agent.

Via New York Times

Guess this rumor is over and done with.
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7/12/2009  12:08 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60523/20090712/dantoni_shoots_down_miller_duhon_rumors/

D'Antoni Shoots Down Miller-Duhon Rumors
Jul 12, 2009 10:43 AM EST

Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni appears to have denied rumors that the team could send Chris Duhon to the 76ers for Andre Miller.

"What was that?" D'Antoni told the New York Times. "I can't believe that."

The deal would have to be a sign-and-trade because Miller is a free agent.

Via New York Times

Guess this rumor is over and done with.

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7/12/2009  7:33 PM
Ok, things are going back and forth here a bit...

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60526/20090712/knicks_meet_to_discuss_andre_miller/

Knicks Meet To Discuss Andre Miller
Jul 12, 2009 4:36 PM EST

Knicks president Donnie Walsh and his staff were planning to meet in Las Vegas to discuss the possibility of pursuing free-agent point guard Andre Miller.

New York is denying reports that the team is working a sign-and-trade with Philadelphia involving Miller and Chris Duhon.

However, one team official mentioned a sign-and-trade as a possible alternative if Miller rejects a one-year, $5.85 million offer.

Miller was said to be looking for a three-year, $30 million contract before the market dried up.

A sign-and-trade with the 76ers would allow the Knicks to offer Miller $7.6 million (125% of Duhon's contract plus $100,000).

Via New York Daily News
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7/12/2009  7:34 PM
I don't mind Miller coming here on a 1 year deal with a team option or something but the dude is 33 and never been a good 3pt shooter. Not really sure how he fits into Mike's scheme...
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